Ive come back to the red pill after years of not interacting with it. COVID kinda fucked me in the ass, and recently I started trying again. I know all the theory from back in the days. I shouldnt hate women because its just who they are, hate the game dont hate the player etc...
But as a 24yo virgin ( kinda by choice but cba to explain ) with morals, who hates casual sex and everything surrounding that culture, Ive seriously started to hate women and their cluelessness and whore-ness.
A woman flirting with me, knowing how much dick they had before, either because they tell me or because I know them, is basically insulting to my ego. I dont want her to lay a finger on me or even look in my direction. I struggle to hide the disgust in my face.
Its gotten to a point where I either knowingly brainwash myself, idolizing women and thinking they are pure and so in that way my morals make sense, just to be absolutely destroyed once I sniff that they are the same as every other woman, OR I hate women, feeling like a cuckold because I refuse to play this shitty game, and rejecting every interaction with them, basically incel territory.
I dont necessarily want a Christian virgin or shit like that, I know unicorns dont exist, but man how can I interact with women if I cant stop thinking that they are fucking whores, and if they havent had casual dick then they will soon.
Not sure what to do or what to think anymore.
EDIT: by being a whore I basically mean casual sex outside relationships. Or high body count, but they pretty much go hand in hand. Kinda forgot to include this important part.
TitusTorquatus Senior Endorsed 1mo ago
You are The Puritan.
https://theredarchive.com/r/TheRedPill/the-computer-toucher-disease.755214
Puritans act that way because their morals are a false shield for their ego. All the moralizing and fantasizing about women fucking tons of dudes combine to protect your ego from the likely reality that you simply lack even a semblance of attractiveness to women (and possibly others).
Do you have a friend group/social life
Seya 1mo ago
yes I have friends, although I routinely pause my social life because I struggle to have any semblance of fun. The fun things to do in my university city are drink alcohol, smoke, do drugs and generally be a degenerate doing literally nothing. Or go clubbing. With the rare house party organized by someone but its basically the same thing but inside a home. I live in a constant cycle of getting fed up with my social life and wanting to change it but then I go out and see this shit. My city is famous for attracting "communists" and hippies so Im not entirely delusional. Gonna move soon, and Im sure Ill have a better social life then.
I dont think I lack attractiveness to women, Im 190cm ( 6'3 ), good physique, intelligent, funny, confident. Im kinda neurotic as you can probably see and I thought a lot about my morals and I dont think they are wrong. I am sure that if I started having casual sex like a monkey I would stop being disgusted by women being whores, but I dont want to do that, I couldnt care less about sex yet I think its very important for pair bonding. Thats where my ego resides.
TitusTorquatus Senior Endorsed 1mo ago
This is the whole issue - your goals are on a constant source of distraction because of your perception of what other people are doing.
Of COURSE you don't care about sex, caring about sex would be caring about being a professional bulllrider - you have no context, no experience, and no idea of what it's about. Why would you care?
This isn't to elevate SEX to some divine rite of passage - the opposite.
"Pair bonding" used a term alerts me that you've done a lot of computer about relationship dynamics. So let's bring it back.
You know what you what and you aren't getting it. It seems nowhere to be found. The "constant cycle" is touching the computer about relationships then immediately giving up once you witness someone else's (male or female, you talked about both) definition of trying to experience the other person.
The irony is this whole neurotic creation of yours is wrapped around sex, a thing you haven't done, when it could be released or diminished by finding a girl with a similar attitude and talking to her. Don't you think there are other people at these parties and clubs that want to meet someone?
Seya 1mo ago
you are right, although its hard since Im an introvert and always get burnout when going outside too much, I need to dose my energy better and try to meet those people.
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
It's not fantasy. Women ARE fucking tons of dudes. They either told him directly or he knows them. He is repulsed by promiscuous women both in an evolutionary sense and morally. He's being gaslighted by society to think this is acceptable, hence the hate.
I was no different at his age in terms of classifying women into housewife/whore dichotomy and got so sick and tired of all the women being whores and none being housewives. I have no trouble playing the game and fucking whores morally, but when you're trying to find a wife and mother of your children it's very frustrating.
TitusTorquatus Senior Endorsed 1mo ago
"gaslighted" go back to reddit
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
"Go back to Reddit" says the narcissist.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Not every woman is fucking tons of dudes. A lot are but it's not so simple to say all of them are. That's the kind of information spergs see on here and then sperg even harder
imtranscending 1mo ago
This is very important nuance that I didn’t understand before. TRP and fresh and fit podcasts shatters the BP fantasy, but it worsens the rage.
Go outside and talk to women. Learn from your own eyes now.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Real life experience is a better representation of real life than Internet portrayal
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
True but a man is allowed to have standards. I myself have a 3 strikes rule when considering a woman for marriage. I think that if a woman is serious about wanting to be a wife and mother she'll get that on her first or second try. Otherwise she's not serious. I used to think it was 50:50 housewives:hoes but now I'm not so sure anymore because of how pervasive hoe culture is.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Who said you can't have standards for marriage???
And what does that have to do with the fact that not every girl is fucking tons of dudes
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
OP is saying he has standards. He said he's not looking to hook up and doesn't want to interact with hoes but that's all he's being offered. I can relate because the same thing happened to me. I did something similar to what Kevin Samuels was doing where I would screen thousands of women for marriage before even dating them. Out of those thousands only 2 were fuckable and had low n-counts and were looking to be a wife and mother. It really corroborates Clarey's Book of Numbers claim that only 2.7% of women in the US are marriageable. So we can say not all women are like that because there is a tiny fraction that aren't but we have to operate on probabilities, not possibilities.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Yes okay but then op just needs to accept he is not going to find a partner. If he doesn't want to hookup at all this is his fate
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
I managed to find a partner. It really boils down to not wasting time on blue pill notions like night clubs, dating apps, frat parties, etc. It's a very narrow search in very specific places. I happened to widen my search globally and found tons of marriageable women.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Yes, but in the meantime OP will never get laid at that rate
Hes complaining about multiple things here and some of it is contradictory
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
I don't think getting laid is his goal. I think he's frustrated at the absolute lack of purity in the women he's encountered.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I get that but his lack of XP sure as hell isn't helping him find good women either
Testme 1mo ago
Stop being so introverted. Focus on doing stuff in the real world, and stop thinking "about yourself". You are not that important. I mean, who do you think you are? Elon Musk? Do your work and get out of your own head.
As far as women are concerned, if all the women you are meeting have had a lot of "dick", then you are spending too much time in sleezy venues. Try going to museums or something. Women, like men, have a spectrum of different sexual experience and value. Also, do not be emotionally affected by a woman's history--it's low value and women find it unattractive. Try to focus your attention on higher value women and then simply ignore whatever you think their history might be. I NEVER ask girls I date about ex's or their sexual history. And when I say "never", I mean NEVER. I just don't care. That's one of the reasons women find me attractive
imtranscending 1mo ago
Why does them taking dick before you make you hate them?
Do you hate a saved till marriage virgin who got divorced by her husband (this happens)?
There’s something deep going on here. Do you think you see them as people?
Seya 1mo ago
only dick outside relationships makes me hate them. And the knowledge that they are horny animals in heat ( just like men, but Im not gay so idc ).
Thats a hard question. I dont think I see "women" as people but that applies to men too. There are very few people I consider worth worrying about or taking into consideration.
Intrepid_Place53900 1mo ago
they are what they are.
This is more of the anger phase of RP, you don't like what you see and realize what you've been told since childhood is a lie about women.
You need acceptance, it is what it is. Doesn't mean you have to settle for a slut. Doesn't mean you have to F one.
Very very few women today are worthy of a LTR. If you don't want to have fun with the ones who aren't LTR material, that's fine.
You got to drop the Fairy tale shit though.
Focus more on short term fun. Doesn't mean spend time with Feminist sluts. There's a whole range of women out there when it comes to slut level. Find some that you can have fun with, but won't LTR. Practice not getting attached to them. This will be very useful when if ever, you find a girl worthy of a LTR. Don't put her on pedestal, Women don't want their guy to do that.
Get some FWB, or plates or whatever. Practice being with women and not getting attached.
Seya 1mo ago
that makes sense, basically low-stakes romantic relationship. I had them in the past and I enjoyed them.
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
You're suffering from the madonna-whore complex.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/78ed3f/all_women_are_whores/
Seya 1mo ago
To me it reads like its the opposite of what Im talking about. I dont hate women for being hypergamous or branch-swinging or whatever. I hate them for NOT having standards and being whores, having casual sex with retards, outside relationships just because it feels good oWo. Animals with no morals.
If you are a boring mofo and she leaves you then its understandable. Its not what I hate.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Read Book of Pook man. You need it
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Ah, so you’re a tradcuck.
Who gives a shit, seriously? Are you captain Save A Hoe? If not, pump n dump these hoes. They know what they’re doing, having their cake and eat it too.
Just don’t be the guy who LTR and marry these cum dumpsters. You didn’t break them, you can’t fix them.
But I still think it’s because you’re not getting any of that action and hate them to feel better for yourself. Sexual strategy doesn’t give a fuck about ur morals.
You still have pussy on the pedestal as per your OP. They are not sugar, spice and everything nice, wake up.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
OP is struggling with a certain pet fallacy some men on here have.
They won't fuck whores because it disgusts them but they're not getting laid either whilst complaining about the whores they could at least be fucking.
So they're complaining about whores they aren't fucking instead of complaining about whores they are at least fucking and trying to zero xp their way into finding decent women
I'm oversimplifying it and going slightly off point here but that's a part of it
Boosted_Arrow 1mo ago
In a nutshell: you need success with women, otherwise you grow resentful. I see it myself, now that I have more contact with women I don't have any anger towards them. (I never really had redpill rage or sth like that, but when I'm at zero I can also get angry.)
You need more options.
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
It sounds like you hate promiscuous women, not women. If that's all you've ever interacted with then it seems like they're all that way. Well here's some news: women have agency. They can make better choices. Some do. I had never met a decent woman until I met my wife.
American society has decayed morally to the point that promiscuity is normalized, bad behaviour is on display on every corner, and narry a decent woman can be found. So it's not necessarily you, it's them.
Maybe you should marry a Christian virgin. My wife's Muslim. I didn't even know what Islam was when I married her. Just go walk into any church and let people know you're looking for a Godly woman to court for marriage. Get some experience with decent women. Talk to housewives instead of whores.
Seya 1mo ago
honestly that is something I can see myself doing, I just think its insane most people are ok with this level of degeneracy so thats why I made this post, maybe Im missing something.
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
George Carlin once said "When you're born in this world, you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get front row seats." I think you are missing something because housewives aren't online making videos, going to clubs, posting on social media. They're at home with their kids, at church events, etc and are never seen or heard like the whores are.
Anyway, just beware the fake trad/con whores that go to church looking for a beta provider. Also known as born again virgins.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Coming for a religious conservative background (Muslim), let me tell you how I overcame that dichotomy (madonna/whore complex).
It's not easy, and each situation is unique, and it somehow worked for me (I ain't giga slayer, but I definitely don't feel that raging hate, distrust and anger towards women anymore).
Understand the mental framework you operate within.
Assess your perception towards women as objectively as possible (i.e. don't expect perfection, deal with the girl in accordance to her specifics)
Assess the potential of your location based on your goals (for example, more wifey material in the middle east, more easy sluts in the west).
Interact with hundreds of girls at all levels and with all intents (preferably romantic intent, that's when you learn the most). The goal is to learn about women and "map" them correctly.
Continuously reassess your expectations of them and the truth of their nature (disapointment and frustration are the results of overestimating women).
Seya 1mo ago
That makes sense. Basically keep hating while getting a lot of experience to accurately filter the actual whores and find the best match for your goals. I guess there is no shortcut.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Exactly.
No pain no gain. Applies to your emotional muscles as well.
ObliviousCuck 1mo ago
I have another way.
For whatever reason I was never judgmental. Not outwardly and even if I was internally I kept it as utility to bring conclusion/consequence, and not to boil in that sauce.
Not being judgmental this way has this and other benefits.
@Seya
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Most people don't really understand what "being non-judgemental" means.
We all judge... unless someting is really wrong about your perceptive abilities.
What it actually means is that you keep it to yourself and not try to force your value system on them.
OP operates from a "moralizing framework." Telling him to "not be judgemental" is like asking a fish to stop drinking water.
ObliviousCuck 1mo ago
basically
I draw consequences, so it is not entirely true, but I present with the choice: do/don't do.
I don't use blaming emotive language [the best I can] around discussing matter and talk on negative effect it might have on me, my environment, negative outcomes and I'd rather jump as quick as possible to consequences after establishing link, as to why consequences will happen possibly even without being overt. I might not voice judgment, but will make it clear what it is about. After all if she is stupid enough not to get the hint then she will not understand overt comms anyway.
Thats Machiavellian to some extent, I can't explain my thought process well. I'd say I have recurrent theme of avoiding emotive judgments.
ObliviousDuck 1mo ago
What is this malarkey?
ObliviousCuck 1mo ago
https://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/2100000/300-300-2127649-656-272.jpg
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
Right. So women conflict with your morals and outlook.
Right. So you have a weird superiority complex despite being a virgin. Idolizing them and hating them is much much easier on the ego than actually playing the game and having relationships with women. So that's what you do.
They are what they are.
Accept them as they are.
Noone is saying you have to marry them.
Seya 1mo ago
Dont you find it very dystopian and depressing?
mattyanon Admin 3w ago
not relevant
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Yes but at least they will still give us head and we get laid as collateral. What's your alternative, captain purity? Complaining about it and still not getting any action?
Intrepid_Place53900 1mo ago
you can't change it, you can't change them
Red pill, learn the playing field, use it to your advantage. Get what you want out of it.
now, if you want a traditional , virgin gf, to eventually be your wife and raise your kids. If you are in the USA, good luck
It can be done, it has lot's of risks. RP theory and relationship advice will help make it possible. But , as with life in general, there's no guarantee.
ObliviousCuck 1mo ago
traditional , virgin gif, to eventually be your wife
MFVORX 1mo ago
This looks painfully familiar to me. Like I'm looking in a really young mirror.
Do you believe you hate women for fucking and sucking, or do you believe you hate women for fucking and sucking everyone but you?
joyboy 4w ago
What do you do if you feel both ways? I hate it but I want to take part in it too but I also don’t want to end up with a whore wife
Seya 1mo ago
I think its the former but obviously subject to bias. Im obviously not satisfied in my romantic life. I wouldnt be satisfied in fucking whores, in fact I actively declined to when offered. I just want a LTR. That said, even if Im the one that declined, I cant confidently say that didnt affect me. If I was less neurotic and just stopped thinking and fucked like an animal I definitely believe I wouldnt hate.
MFVORX 1mo ago
I started to work on my neurosis and things got better in my life in general, so you're definitely onto something.
I haven't had a woman in years, and it's probably not around any corner anytime soon, but applying Red Pill theory and practice in other aspects of my life has made interactions with women, both the dumb sluts and pleasant ladies alike, much more manageable.
Also, I understand the hunt for the unicorn, and I wish you the best of luck. I'll also give you a piece of advice an old section sergeant shared with me, "You gotta slay a few dragons to find a princess." If I were you, I'd try to find a girl you don't find repulsive off rip and stick her. The longest statement is often ended by the smallest point. Or something.
TitusTorquatus Senior Endorsed 1mo ago
giving advice while
MFVORX 1mo ago
Yeah, I'm not advising him how to fuck. Its my fault for not making that clear.
What I am saying is applying Red Pill theory and practice to your life makes interactions with women easier, regardless of their type. When those interactions get easier and more rewarding, the contempt for women is easier to let go of, if you notice it leave at all.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Honestly man i think you should get some experience so you can see why people enjoy sex and have some kind of openness to it
I'm not telling you to enjoy sluttery, or even tolerate it, but I think it would give you some perspective
Seya 1mo ago
I wanted to do that within a LTR but I guess its too luck-based.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
It's not luck based. You're only hurting yourself by holding out for some fantasyland LTR and no good woman will want an inexperienced non masculine frustrated chump either
First-light 1mo ago
I have some understanding of your position. I was a virgin for a long time and I was repulsed by sluttery. It did put me off women and I did turn down a few women because I felt they were too promiscuous, while still at the same time being thirsty as hell. I can remember one night some Irish girls I knew screaming at me "Get in the taxi you fecking eegit" because I would not go home with one of their friends who had been all over me all evening.
I really messed up. Found what I thought was and what claimed to be a virgin. Got married with no sexual experience. Had two kids, horrible loveless marriage divorced her even though it would destroy me financially.
I should have found out more about women first. I had only brothers, went to all boys school. Just never really came across them except through desire. The sexual side of women is a tiny part of the whole picture. You need to understand the whole person. Innocence is not necessarily strength. Learn to see women as people just female. They are tempted like men, maybe their minds are not as strong to resist temptation as men. Society lets them do what they want with no accountability. To some extent its not their fault about the slutting, they are just complying to norms and women are quite compliant to the norms of their society.
If you don't find out about women you will be helpless to tell who is good or bad or wrong or right for you. Virginity is only one part of a girl's character. In this day and age if a girl is a virgin at a late age there may actually be a problem -she may be a bit afraid of men, a bit mad on religion or just have minimal sex drive. These are not attractive traits.
I would try to make friends or at east associate with women you admire. See what you learn. You might get introduced to nice women by them.
Also if you get approached by a slut -why not? It would at least be a walk on the wild side.
Seya 1mo ago
how do you find respectable women to admire and learn from? My hobbies arent great for meeting women in general.
First-light 1mo ago
Yeah that is a problem. I know what you mean about hobbies, some are very male.
I wouldn't go out of your way to seek out women you can admire for their character but when you do find them, try to engage with and listen to them. Their age is not so important and sometimes older women will tell you the truth more because they know you are not and cannot be interested in them. They may help to explain female sexual behaviour, if you can get talking to them.
One thing that might help to consider is that there are quite a lot of the male equivalent of sluts on this site out there trying to game the female sluts. Its not symetrical the behaviour but both sides have their game and both take their chances. Learning self control is not easy. Provided you are not shy and inexperienced, it is quite hard to turn down the offer of sex. For women the desire for sex is generally less (though it can be a lot more when they get revved up) but the opportunity is everywhere, all the time. Its so easy for them. Once you fall down the rabbit hole of being a bit promiscuous its hard to climb back out and women rarely do. They get learned reward seeking behaviours. Yes it usually does ruin them as long term partners for men and spoils their own chances of satisfaction with men in the long term but to hate them for it is a bit harsh. They are just victims of their culture.
There is a reason why girls were so protected in the past, it was for their good and their future spouse's good. It allowed for happier families. Today's women are unlucky rather than bad. There is a much bad in women as in men, it just shows in different ways but society and some of women's inherent weaknesses accentuate the harm they can do today. They do more harm than men today but its circumstantial, not because of inherent evil and so they don't deserve hatred for it.
Women have much good in them too. They have a talent for caring for the weak and an ability to see small things that are potential threats. A good mother is probably more valuable to a boy than a good wife even to a man. Try to see the good in them and pity them their faults if you can.
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
I'm going to copy and paste what I wrote in reply to something similar here:
Spoken like a man still in the throes of the anger phase.
It's important to remember that it is only supposed to be a phase. Wallowing in it is a waste of your life, and you miss out on much of what life has to offer.
No.
We are not a hate sub, despite what our moronic detractors insist.
It makes no sense to hate something for its nature.
I don't hate orcas for eating seals. I just stay away.
I don't hate rain for soaking me as I walk to my car. I get an umbrella.
I don't hate cats for wantonly slaughtering small animals. Actually, I really like that about them.
I don't hate women for their deceptions and manipulations; I just adapt and structure my interactions with them accordingly.
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
The key word here is 'morals'. As soon as anyone starts talking about morals, I lose interest in what they have to say.
Because they always, always mean people that have different views than themselves.
You think that women shouldn't have sex outside marriage. Well, you're not in the 1300's. You are living in a different planet.
In many respects, you remind me of the way women think. They want men to behave a certain way (that benefits them) and because they don't, they rage at the world and end up alone. You are doing the exact same thing, but with the genders reversed.
The key lies in realising that your 'morals' are your own problem. They are no concern of anyone else in the world. Expecting the world to obey your moral code is a form of insanity, or at the very least, a severe case of main character syndrome.
You need to forget all about other people and how you think they behave, and ask yourself, why are you so disgusted by other people living their lives (which has nothing to do with you) the way they want? Why?
Ask yourself that. Why.
Quick question - what is your relationship to porn? Answer honestly, or there is no point to any of this discussion.
Seya 1mo ago
I think anyone is disgusted by some stuff other people do. I can come up with a lot of logical reasons as to why casual sex is bad. Morals and traditions usually arent born for no reason after all. But Im not sure I can pinpoint exactly which one is the issue, or even if any of them are. I think its because I want to get into a LTR but Im having trouble finding a decent woman.
I was exposed to it very early as a kid and was addicted until I found out its dangerous. Tried to moderate it and did nofap streaks, longest was 3 months. Now I use it when I feel I want to and while I consider it a vice, its not quite an addiction anymore.
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
Here we go... we have the answer.
It's 'morals'. I already mentioned it - when a person says 'morals' they mean that they are having difficulty dealing with people that have different 'morals' than their own. That is why you are child like or even woman like. A man see's the world as it is, and then responds accordingly. He doens't expect the world to conform to his world view. That would be insane.
And porn.
The reason why you are raging against the world (esp women) is because they won't behave the way you demand.
You really need to do some work on yourself.
Seya 1mo ago
I guess that is true and it does feel like a child tantrum when you put it like this.