Context: I end up travelling to the cbd for work maybe once a fortnight and stay at work as I live about an hour away and it’s paid for . This is convenient for dates where I am seeing them in the cbd and they usually live close - I also live with parents at home. Usually I would grab drinks and a lot of the times can F close on the same date as the logistics work out. I usually don’t kiss on the date and k close and escalate when she’s back at the hotel. I’ve only ever gotten resistance with a girl once she was back at the hotel once - but then I turned on the TV we started watching a movie and then slowly started caressing her arms. Eventually chest, and then lower and things just got heated from there.
However Current situation with a date is as below:
- date 1: went beach, good chemistry, good kino, K close at end of the date to say bye
- date 2: drinks, good kino, end date with I’m staying nearby let’s get out of here - they agree. Once inside, there’s resistance to the initial kiss attempt. No worries , we watch something I try escalate as I’ve done before but as I try get to the chest or lower parts they redirect my hands but still seem cheerful. This happens about three times over the course of an hour or so. At the end before they leave we kiss for a few second and they say “that’s all your getting”, and then I walk them down and kiss to say bye. They messaged me once they are back home saying they got home all good.
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date 3: ??? I’m not sure how to proceed. Is this a shit test? What’s the optimal way to proceed. I’m thinking I should slow down my approach and just do something fun without the intention of an f close. And then after that organise another date at night which could work out ? I feel another date at night where I pull to a hotel they will show similar resistance.
- What do you guys think I should do going forward?
- Is there a better way I could be escalating once we are isolated at the hotel ?
- what do you think they are doing or what’s going through their head?
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
No, no, no. This is a great example of effective girl game. You're already betatizing yourself for pussy. Dont get strung along anymore. Dont enter her frame. Read more fundamentals.
Specifically as an example, after a few attempts at escalation at date 2 you should have done a freeze out. This usually works when a girl likes you but is trying to string you along. You stop escalating and without acting butthurt about it, you sit back, act bored, prepare to leave or for her to leave. Girls will then often reengage and be willing to put out when they see that what they're trying to do, isnt working as intended.
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Women aren't a gumball machine, you don't continue to maintain their emotional interest by continuing to put more quarters into the machine.
You need to push/pull. If all you do is pull, they you come off as needy. Another thing is to go 2 steps forwards, 1 backwards, so every time you escalate, you don't go back to the square one. Read DiCarlo escalation ladder.
The most important thing - Freeze Out
Some hoes have the 3 dates rule, so you don't think she's a slut or easy.
Next time, forget about drinks, go to your place/car etc. Use some plausible deniability and get sexual from the beginning, Tease, push/pull, kino,,the standard game to make her horny. Calibrate and then escalate. If she still puts up resistance after couple of times, do the freeze out, then try again.
If a well-played freeze out doesn't work, nothing short of rape would have. Next.
There are retards here who think that comfort leads to sex, it doesn't. You need sexual tension+dominance.
First-light 1mo ago
If she is not up for it, why are you pushing? Its supposed to be mutual.
Sure as a man you can take the lead but if she doesn't want to dance the dance you can decide to back off and see what happens with a bit more time or you can leave her alone. Anything else is rude and selfish at the least.
I always had a rule that I asked once, just one. There would have to be a dam good reason coming form her side to ask again. That's not blue pilled, its just polite and it avoids getting yourself into messes with women who are not really in to you.
Testme 1mo ago
You are coming off as sexually needy. Stop groping girls, it makes you appear dick-motivated (which obviously you are).
The girl is supposed to come to you, not the other way around.
Also, when you are trying to make things more emotional, use words. Women are "idea oriented". Stop trying to feel them up. When a girl's comfort level is where it needs to be and she is attracted to you, she will indicate that physically one way or another.