I live in Iran, which, if you don't know, is a highly conservative country that views sex as bad and evil. They shame you for wanting it. Therefore, it makes it really hard to find a girl because girls here say no to sex before marriage, but they have no problem having guys pay for them or doing boyfriend stuff for them. However, they say, 'If you want sex, then marry me!'
I hate how I can't find someone who doesn't view sex as a negotiation and a bridge to get married. They have this stupid mentality that what if I have sex and the guy leaves me? They use sex as a way to get what they want, which is commitment, but they are unwilling to do anything to earn it. They just feel like they are owed commitment!
What should I do when there are a lot of kinds of girls like this? I'm tired of wasting my time and resources on someone just for them to tell me they don't want any intimacy and they just want a beta to marry them and use sex as a means for their own agenda.
Maturin_nj 2w ago
They did this in america too and trained men like seals to believe it. Then they made up myths and fairy tales about romantic love. And men believed that too. Then lots of men began to worship women and devalue themselves. Then men believed it was perfectly OK to reject their natural inclinations. This caused them to become weak submissive, and supplicating to the female perogative. The myths and fairy tales were ingrained into boys by means of a propaganda device we call TV snd the clergy. Men were really fucking stupid. They lied to eachother. Held everything inside. The vast majority in fact had no sex life at all. They followed a set of rules that was designed to enslave them For life. They had become so conditioned that they believed it was normal and never challenged those beliefs. Then the internet came along. It took a while but they are not as stupid as the programmers assumed. They slowly figured out that the majority of men had been played. Now they are shifting their behavior. A lot has changed since those myths were accepted as gospel. The older generation of men still believe in fairytales but the change is coming from the younger enlightened generations who know much more than their fathers and grandfathers. Greater numbers of men are awakening everyday just like you.
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
Here's what you do, it's called dual mating strategy. Friendzone the hottest chick you can find who has no red flags. Tell her you'll marry her some day. Spend maybe a couple hours one day a week to get to know her as a friend. No fancy dates, just hang out and talk. This can go on for years, but the point is to keep her from talking to other guys. You're taking her off the market and making her invest in you. Don't even ask for sex. This will be your future wife and mother of your children.
Next, find a hoe. I don't know where to find them in Iran but in Indonesia they go where foreigners are. Maybe international students at universities, hotels, bars, etc. They expect that foreigners might not be willing to wait for sex so they give it up in the hopes of landing a doctor or other rich foreigner. Some just have a preference certain types of men.
You can also leverage your own culture. Maybe dark women aren't desirable or maybe poor women or whatever. Then the women give up sex hoping to move up the socio-economic ladder. Ultimately you can just leave and go spend a few weeks in Thailand fucking 5 hoes/day. Also here's some info https://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Iran?PageSpeed=noscript
Testme 1mo ago
"sex is bad and evil"
Okay, so do the Iranians understand that in order to have children, men and women have to have sex. Do they consider children, the product of sex, to be "bad and evil" also?
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
They're hard core Muslims under Sharia laws. Very based. If a woman isn't a virgin she will never be able to get married(except for widows but then she would usually be a 2nd wife to her brother-in-law). Anyway, this is all about pre-marital sex. After marriage the wife has to give the husband as much sex as he wants and have kids.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
@lionsmane8 (not sure how relatable this question is to your country but i thought i might as well tag you)
amir1382 1mo ago
Don't you have any advice for me?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
The user i tagged has a more similar country to you, I wouldn't know.
That being said the same thing applies as a Western liberal country, you get them interested as you would any woman, offer plausible deniability (albeit much more since you are in a more repressed country), and then escalate in private and make damn sure you come across as you won't say a word about it to a living soul in your country
You are unfortunately having to play on expert mode in Iran but it's still the same formula. You just have tailor it way more the lack of shaming of her actions. You really have to make it seem like it's completely okay, don't ever say anything judgemental about sex ever, you're going to have to give more comfort than not, and go to additional lengths to not make it a one night stand.
You're unfortunately going to have more blowouts in a country where women can have their lives ruined for being sexual. But it's not impossible. You really have to go the extra mile though
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Also, in your case, you might have to go for girls that from the get go seem like they'd be sluttier than not. I'm sure they are out there. Probably girls with bad relationships with their parents etc. just be careful. I don't know the dating climate in the middle east you're going to have to come to some of your own conclusions with the information we are giving you from the west and apply it to the middle east. I have no idea whatsoever what it's actually like over there socially so I can only give my two cents and speculate
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Play the game bro. I bet that they don't use their pussy as a hostage for the top 20%.
This tactic works on someone in scarcity, TRP is biology, not cultural. Women only shame betas, cos they don't see them as a sexual beings. Pussy is overinflated, especially in more conservative places. Discretion is your best bet.
Another tactic is to go full Machiavelli, get in relationship, pump and dump. Or, just move out. Whatever you do, absolutely cut out every simpery like paying for shit and provision.
It's mandatory to read the fucking sidebar and top posts for context. Become a Pareto's Man. No one here's gonna provide you with a pussy password, you have to get there yourself.
Max out your looks and game (charisma+confidence). Then, improve your financial status.
amir1382 1mo ago
I feel like even if my smv would become higher, they would still withhold sex to use it as an advantege, they have this stupid saying that if a guy really love's me them he won't ask for sex and will just propose to me and a lot of guys in my country are just so fucking beta and desperate that they will actually support this
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Not true. When you get in the upper echelon, it's different story, you get options. A man with options is man without need.
It works the other way around too. If you withhold pussy, that's the only thing you're good for.
amir1382 1mo ago
right...maybe im just making excuses...after all they also share the same nature...they are not unicorns...
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
I live in a similar country - Morocco.
Now, things are not as tight as in Iran per say, but we are in a very conservative country where women are expecting to trade their sexual access for long term provisionning.
Quite frankly, do you blame them?
They are playing their cards right to fish for a man that will provide for them for life. That's been the game since prehistory.
I don't blame them.
I do resent their blue balling, time wasting exploitative games though.
And I do resent the fact that the price of sex is exhorbitant relative to the little value it actually provides.
It's a stupid rigged game that is NOT in your favor.
Feelings aside. You need practice before wifing up. And you need options to wife up what's best for you and not the first semi-fuckable hobbit that holds your hand.
How do you go about getting that experience?
Find the girls that want to fuck, or at least want to do something.
Some girls here are backdoor only, others are oral only, some will stroke your cock and kiss you but that's it etc.
And for the odd one that has been plowed and wants to be plowed.. then plow away.
.. lots more to say
amir1382 1mo ago
I really hate my country
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
The things you hate now, you will come to appreciate at a later time
amir1382 1mo ago
I just don't want to get married, so I should remain a virgin, just because I'm not willing to give all my money and commitment to a pussy that I don't even get to see before paying for it! there is nothing ro appreciate
nicknack 1mo ago
That’s awesome good for Iran tbh. You’re just horny and frustrated. Go on some sex tourism whereever your via allows.
amir1382 1mo ago
No, it's not awesome; they just sell the pussy at a very high price in Mehrieh currency. They don't even take half your shit; they can take it all at any moment they want.
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coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
Move to another country
amir1382 1mo ago
Well, it's not as easy as it sounds. I would if I could.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Work on it. Iran sounds like a hellhole anyway, lack of pussy sounds like the least concerning thing there
MarianaCoat 1mo ago
Fuck Iranians got it completely backward, instead family of a woman to pay a man for taking a burden, man has to pay for a pussy. BS.
Not a county for a man.
I met this guy from Iran that was illegally living in Germany then illegally got to Ireland inside a truck, barely speaks language and is fucking hoes.
Adjusting to Iranian environment is loosing proposition.
The only problem is there soon will be no place for passport bros, to go to.
:) ok then
https://abbashadjian.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Law-Offices-of-Abbas-Hadjian-DJ-8-21-23.pdf
amir1382 1mo ago
So what do you suggest?
amir1382 1mo ago
I really don't want to get married, but all of them are trying to force it.
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MrSupreme 1mo ago
It sounds like a very gynocentric,blue pilled society to me,the way you describe it. If you feel your happiness is not to be bartered with, and I totally understand that, since there is such a thing as being westernized in an oriental country and vice versa, then put your efforts in moving out of Iran asap.
In assuming you're a Muslim,so seek for a more liberal country to take your business to, maybe Lebanon or Turkey,or wherever your heart so desires.
Keep your happiness and plans in mind when making a choice like moving countries.Most people moving out of their countries for pussy I'd say it's a no no,but your particular case calls for it.
MrSupreme 1mo ago
I would definitely recommend OP to keep his goals in mind.Not only will he be exotic dick in Europe/The west,but his lifestyle will dramatically take a turn for the best. I'm from Venezuela and I know Iran is friends, so that means it is a socialist shithole.
The grass is greener on the other side,just work towards moving out and getting better,just knowing English is a big plus.Money,work and women will follow.
First-light 1mo ago
I think there are pluses and minuses in any situation and right now you are living in the minus side of it. It will be better for you if you ever want a wife as the candidates won't be all well used. The well used impossible to please women of the west are a nightmare from the LTR perspective and this is very damaging to society as they often make poor mothers too late in life as well.
There are always some bad girls in every society and locating them and working out how to work around them will help.
I am not up on Iran's laws but what is the story with temporary marriage there? What constitutes marriage and divorce in law and practise? Knowing how you can use the rules to your advantage will help.
For example in much of the west there is no temporary marriage but you can go before an imam and another witness (or just two witnesses but the imam usually helps her feel its legit) and declare you are man and wife. It makes no difference in law but it means that the girl may be satisfied with this. You then only have the sharia implications of divorce when things end (if you are a good boy and keep to sharia, bad boys might ignore it if they were peed off). The sharia implications are not too bad and don't last too long. This might get you a nice temporary live in "girl friend" from a lower social class. Sure you have to feed her but that is not that hard if you already pay your bills anyway.
amir1382 1mo ago
temporary marriage exist but no women is willing to do it unless she is a widow and even in that case most of them still want a stable husband and the ones who do it mostly are just after money so its just prostitution...look, for someone who just want to settle down in life and pay a lot of money for just getting a wife who he doesnt even know what its like to have sex with yet buying that pussy with a lot of coin golds and is blue pilled that might be great,,,but you red pilled guys should know better just becuase they are keeping the virginity to get married dosent mean that they dont have the same female nature! they still might cheat after they lost the virginty and got what they wanted with the alpha or just start resenting the husband becuase deep down they know the husband is a beta for commiting so soon without it being earned in anyway so most of them arent good wifes or even mothers....thats a myth...also they have no problem getting orbiters in names of boyfreinds to use as providers...does that sound high quality women to you? someone who use men and gives blueballs to them?
First-light 1mo ago
They are just playing their game as well as they can. Yes women from a conservative culture are still women with women's faults. That is very true but women are damaged by the cock carousel. Marrying virgins won't make them faithful but it does reduce the risk of infidelity and much more of dissatisfaction with the husband because no man beats all of a woman's former lovers in all ways. With experience, they know there is better out there and they know its easy to move on. There are pluses and minuses to both systems but you are living with the minus in yours -cheap slutty pussy is hard to find.
It looks like you will need to find the worst sort of women and you may need to be generous to them. Its still probably not a lot worse in cost than the expense of making yourself smart, going out and courting women, buying them dinners, paying for hotels and such. Is there say an immigrant sector where women may be less choosey?
Of course you could always cross to the west and claim asylum, saying you are a persecuted homosexual. This works surprisingly well if you create a little false evidence first. The government will house you and give you money and treat you better then people born here to prove they are a liberal country. Then you just carry on as a heterosexual and they can't do anything.
If you came here though its not all as simple as you might imagine with the women. You will have to learn slightly different rules of courting and Briffault's law will still apply. You just pay less and get less of value. I am thinking of a friend of mine, an attractive young guy, good family, came from Jordan to study computing. He arrived a virgin with blue balls, 3 years later he left a virgin with blue balls. He talked non stop about the western sluts. He desired them and he was repulsed by them in equal measure and he just didn't know where to start. In the end he never started. He just thought it was not worth it mentally, in terms of the time input that could be better used elsewhere and in terms of finance. He just decided he would work hard and save instead so he could go home, start a business and get a wife.
Its hard to win with women at an acceptable price unless you win in life first. Any other route is a huge sacrifice and the juice is not worth the squeeze. Look at the thirsty PUAs in the gym on steroids, buying all the expensive clothes, renting a larger apartment, buying a nice car, going out chasing women, spending money in clubs and bars, on hotels and weekends away. Is he really getting anything worth it? Or is he the biggest loser. He lives to entertain trashy women. He is a servant to them in return for an occasional ride (which they enjoy anyway or complain massively if they do not).
In the end if you move to the west you will still want a more traditional wife when you are done with sluts and in the west she will cost more than in your own country, or you settle for used goods and a woman who will never really understand you.
The grass isn't greener, its just a different variety of grass that is better for some things and not others and concentrating on yourself is probably wiser than chasing pussy the hard way. I am sorry you are suffering but try to focus on yourself first.
amir1382 1mo ago
I just really hate marrige...
First-light 1mo ago
Yeah me too. Did it once, never, never again! Lost so much on the divorce and child maintenance.
Have done it informally though twice since. Traditional girl, paid bride price (very low), family were happy with that (they were in trouble with the law for cattle rustling and moonshining and were glad she got a fresh start with a good guy), never formalised it, good wife but she died in child birth. Did it western style with western woman declaring we were married and she changed her name, split after 3 kids because she was step mother from hell to the child from the woman who died. Oh how I saved money on that one by not being legal! Now I just cohabit and we loosely call each other husband and wife but I never agreed anything with the family no name was changed. She is not happy with that but I am afraid I am not going to offer what I never offered to start.
You can sometimes game the system.
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
"No sex before marriage" leads to no sex after marriage too.
They are selling their bodies for marriage.
Conversely..... you live in a country where women's virginity is valued and where a woman can't earn her own money. Not sure they really have any other choice.
Move
amir1382 1mo ago
a woman can earn her own money here...i have no idea where you get that from...women have a lot more freedom here than media wants you to believe...most of them chose to use the pussy as hostage