Let's imagine a situation where she promised to do something(Not such an important thing yet important) but failed to do that on time(She did it after asking her to do it again)
This is I used to do it. I never explained by displeasure but just stopped communicating the way I used to communicate and she'd ask me if she did something wrong and then, I might explain her if she asks many times.
She asked me if I can communicate what I want directly to her, she can do whatever I want the way I want it perfectly.
I was pretty much reluctant to direct her to do XYZ but later I thought If I were to treat her like a plate, it's just not a long term solution. So I thought I'd be straight-forward with her if I feel disagreement rather than not talking with her much to show my displeasure.
The problem now is she is tell me I'm blaming her for all the things She's telling me she's the one who's always doing the wrong things. It's always her mistake and so on. What did she expect when she said "Open up with me so that I can do as you like". These women are so difficult to understand. Our fights are increasing and its making me uncomfortable and possibly its making her uncomfortable too.
How do you deal with fights? How do you express your disagreement? How do you express anger?

Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago Stickied
I started typing a detailed response but then realized there is just not enough detail to give a response.
The problem with these kinds of posts is that you are trying to justify the situation and then ask for a solution but the lack of detail actually makes it near impossible to tell if you as the OP are actually being a reasonable man that understands RP.
How are we to know whether your requests of your girlfriend are reasonable or autistic if you don't actually give some concrete examples of it?
For all we know you could be the asshole of this situation and our answers would only worsen your relationship. Hard to take OPs at face value without context, can you give us some actual examples that are of such strong contention in your relationship? Considering she has asked you to communicate directly it's not unreasonable to ask you for examples to be sure of the appropriateness of our own advice to you
BDATA 2y ago Stickied
I could be wrong too. When I think from her POV, she is not wrong but at the same time, when I think from my POV, I'm not wrong either. I asked her to send me some videos(of course, fun videos) during night time(We're a bit far away from each other so we couldn't see. Otherwise, we could do just the deed). She said, she has some difficulty in sending it because she can't use the bathroom for a long time since it's a shared bathroom. I said "Take your time". What made me sad is that she didn't send video even after a couple of days and I felt that she kind of ignored my request and then I told her again and then she was like its her periods. Then I kind of became angry but didn't show her. Even after her periods she didn't send so I asked her why she didn't send it. She said she is managing studies and she's stressed because she isn't getting a job(which is true) and all that and I felt really angry when she said "I'm always saying that she's doing wrong things(which is actually true after she asked me to open up with her rather than hold things inside).
Now, she has sent me many videos before so I won't say she is someone who is lying that she couldn't do it.
I don't know why this made me sad. It's not about the video. She has send me the video now. I think it's the feeling that she made me wait this much and I had to ask many times. Along with that, she said "I'm always finding faults with her" after she asked me to open up to her. On her side, she is asking me to understand her situation. I feel disrespected though. Sort of like giving me the last priority. She has problems like joblessness, stressors so do I.
Now, I'm confused if I should open up with her because this was a shock to me.
SeasonedRP 2 2y ago
Sounds like she is losing attraction, and what you are doing is equivalent to begging for sex. I wouldn't ask for more videos and would be somewhat aloof toward her.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
This is classic girl behaviour. She doesn't want to do something, so you get LIES about the reason. The more you work around the lies, the more lies appear because you are not being told the real reason.
If this shit happens again, or starts to, simply say "what's the real reason?"
Right. So the fact here is that your relationship is going downhill and she is losing commitment and interest.
desbryant 2y ago
Silent treatment works but you shouldnt use it all the time.
Generally, trp encourages to withdraw attention/affection.
We also have the ability to soft next. But this should only be used 1-2 times in a relationship during very extreme circumstances. A soft next could end a full blown relationship indirectly if used wrong.
Generally you dont want to show anger. I heard from a psychologist the best response to weed out bad behavior from women is no EMOTIONAL response at all. If they get emotion out of you, they will push that button again sooner than later.
I heard disappointment is extremely strong at conditioning bad behavior from women. But they need to respect your opinion/validation. Its basically rooted in their need for a father figure in their lives
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 2y ago
This part is especially relevant given how many women have stagnated at the teenager level of social/emotional development. And even if a specific woman is somehow developed farther than that, there are plenty of times where they can and will relapse to that so you have to always act in ways that are informed of said fallback.
BDATA 2y ago
So in a way you can't show anger or disappointment and you can't do silent treatment too. I sometimes get so confused on what to even do. Even in RP, seems like men are at the receiving end.
desbryant 2y ago
Withdrawing attention and affection is generally the go-to 90% of the time for minor offenses and general conditioning. All the others should be tools saved for more serious situations.
Disappointment is pretty low risk. It wont blow up a situation. But it could lose power if youre always disappointed about something. Thatll also make you look like youre not compatible to her.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 2y ago
It's basically an issue of calibration needed to determine the appropriate level of response from the standard response escalation list of withdrawal, soft next, hard next. (note how none of those are overt responses/negotiation until you get to the level of permanent relationship termination - you can't reliably negotiate with someone empowered by society to act like an emotional and fiscal terrorist)
Without specifics, the calibration cannot be reliably determined.
Dxmx99 2y ago
I am in the "never argue with women" camp. I hold my expectations, those that are actually serious, above all else and don't fear having to walk away.
I keep a rather monotone and basic cadence and form of communication with everybody, but with reward I'll up the affection. Having a basic base that shells out rewards helps with these types of scenarios. Since you mentioned you change how you communicate when you're unhappy, having a base to fall back on might help with your positive reinforcement. When she does the thing, you give her a cookie(nice words, a kiss, "you're cutest when you're a good girl for me" etc)
Edit: you could try to give her whatever her favorite snack is each time she does something good in attempt to Pavlov her. She's sentient so might catch on.
If she promised to do the dishes or some shit and then didn't, asking her to do it again is the right move. And then if she does it, great. If not, she's lazy and doesn't view you as an authoritave and valuable.
Yet, the point stands that since you always have to say it again and then she does it, implies that she's simply lazy or aloof. That's not easy to fix if it's ingrained in her personality.
BDATA 2y ago
I've felt the same. I've tried "Argue and prove it" methodology and "Don't argue" methodology. A lot of people say you can't beat women with argument. May be, it's because I'm the university debate champ, I have actually made women shut up but it's not worth it in my opinion because then they'll be sad and then we have to make them feel good. It's just too much work for men. The only problem I see with "Never argue" or "Don't say what you feel" is the whole relationship is built on fakeness. You can't never see it as a serious relationship. It's just fake. That's what I'm so confused about.
In my case, she did it. Yet I feel sad that I had to say so many times and get scorned for asking it for a 3rd time. She isn't realizing her mistakes with words or explanation for sure.
Durek_The_Bald 2y ago
If she did it after asking her again, I'd probably let it go. Unless it was a common occurrence, where I have to say everything twice, and it's become a general annoyance.
STFU is a poor way of dealing with things if it means you're moping around, and she needs to ask you repeatedly what's wrong. That just makes you a passive-aggressive bitch, who's too weak and timid to speak his mind.
STFU only works if it comes off like you're genuinely in a good state of mind regardless of her and whatever she's thinking. That means staying busy for real, having other stuff to do, meeting other people. If you're going to mope around over something she did or didn't do, it's better to just be straightforward, and let of the steam.
You're basically letting her take charge of the situation. You talk because she asked you to talk.
Good plan.
This is where you have to stick by your decision to take the confrontation, and not fall for her victimhood spin. When she says: "It's always my mistake", your response should be something like: "Yes it is. So get a fucking grip on it."
So you hurt her feelings, or piss her off for a bit. It's not a big deal. They like these little roller coasters of emotions anyways (confrontation - resolution). It keeps things fresh and alive. It's certainly better than the pissy mute approach anyways.
This right here probably describes the two most difficult aspects of being in a committed relationship. Because what we have to be goes against our programming for what we want to be when we're invested in a woman:
1) You need to be comfortable with her being uncomfortable. Just let her fucking stew, and have a jolly good time in the meantime.
2) You need to be comfortable with the uncomfortableness of that gray cloud of negative vibes hanging over the place. You need to be able to break through that privately, in your own mind, and have a hell of a good time regardless.
Look, women like emotions. They live for it, and they thrive in it. Whether the emotions are positive or negative is of lesser importance. Obviously, it matters on a grander scale if it's generally positive or negative what they get out of their relationship to you. But on a moment to moment basis, you never need be afraid of a woman's emotions.
Sometimes I take the time to think things through privately - whether I'm perhaps overreacting, making a big deal out of nothing, or actually bothered by something else entirely. I don't discuss insecurities like that with my wife, I figure it out on my own. Sometimes, all it takes is a good session at the gym. Actually, a lot of times it ends there.
Sometimes, I sit her down, and talk straight to the point. Calm, collected, not allowing for any deviation from the point.
Sometimes, I just go "fuck it", and let loose. Things are said, feelings are hurt, it's all good. Once you reach the resolution stage, it's all past, and the sex is fantastic.
Your POV matters more, because you are you. This is a matter of frame. Yeah sure, you shouldn't be oblivious to her point of view either. But yours is more important.
BDATA 2y ago
Thank you for the long explanation. I respect your time that you've invested in it. But we've a problem now. I have you who said "Be straight forward" and OP who said "It's better to shut up". This is what I find so confusing. I wish if it was easier.
Durek_The_Bald 2y ago
Moping around whilst STFU, her repeatedly asking you if something's wrong, finally confirming something is indeed wrong = inside her frame = unattractive.
Having a jolly good time whilst STFU, being busy with your own stuff, out and about, meeting other people, too busy and too much fun for bullshit = inside your own frame = attractive.
It's not so much about what you do, but rather where what you're doing is coming from. With inner game, you can do whatever. But inner game needs to be as genuine as humanly possible. If you're genuinely busy, genuinely have stuff going on, genuinely have other options, these things work themselves out.
Spending time and energy thinking about her when she's not with you, tells me you don't have enough going on. Girlfriend away time is supposed to be fun/relax time - not push for naked pics over phone time, and then spend a lot of time and energy wondering why she wouldn't time. What a freaking waste of precious alone time.
BDATA 2y ago
Got it. Explained really well. Just like I thought.
ATBest 2y ago
STFU is generally always good short term strategy. Men think more, but when they respond to something too rapidly, in most cases it will be of shit quality - because it still is too emotionally driven - unless you happen to be psychopath and have no emotions.
Men happen to be more logical >>> once the emotions are removed.
In the case of response to the events that happened to you in the past and you think the same response is valid, it might not always be the case. Since last time you could get wiser, circumstances are rarely exactly the same.
Emotions are bad for thinking, women know something about it.
Sometimes you will be pissed off and you won't be able to hide it. She will try to provoke you to spill some emotions :)
You can admit that you are thinking that trough [or her behaviour] and will come back to her, once YOU will decide what's next. Back in your frame.
More so, after the 'thinking' statement, you buy yourself more time to put her on hold. You can act normal but limit communication to barebones [in case of living in LTR especially, where you can't avoid it for many days].
If you take STFU as the time to think, you will notice that often it will naturally develop into comfort of taking a whole lot of time to think.
You can also write down everything to help you to process stuff.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 2y ago
I don't get angry with my LTR.
I've set my expectations with her. If she doesn't meet them, I remove attention from her and she 100% recognizes that.
This happens very rarely in our 4 year relationship.
why? Because she knows I have options and not afraid to go that route.
Let's be fair also, Women set expectations for men in a LTR (usually a much Bigger list of expectations than a man has for them).
If I don't meet those expectations, she sure as hell lets me know.
You two are with each other , only because you choose to be. At some point, that may change. Don't be afraid to remind them.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
This can be effective, but it's slow and can backfire.
Classic. "Please tell me what I did wrong" followed by "You always tell me I do stuff wrong".
They are not difficult to understand once you realise how selfish, shallow and manipulative she is being.
Ok.
Don't fight - it just makes you look weak. That's why women love to fight: it shows that she is in the winning position.
You have to fight in a way that women HATE. Women who date me don't pick a fight with me twice because they absolutely hate the way I fight. They tell me they hate it and they actively avoid it.
How do I fight? Simple. I lay out the facts, I clearly discuss things. Obviously because I am not homosexual my partner will then throw emotional shit at me. I tell her "don't do that". Followed by her doing it even more because I told her not to. FOLLOWED BY ME QUIETLY WALKING AWAY.
No emotion. No communication. I pack up my shit and I leave, then I ignore her until she's fucking sorry and has learned her lesson. Maybe a day the first time....... three days if she's a slow learner. Then you carry on like nothing has happened....... but next time you tell her to stop throwing a tantrum she will listen.
Be Clear. You have to tell her the problem. One thing at a time...... you are letting things stack up without giving her chance to fix the first thing. Get each thing fixed before the next thing so that she doesn't feel "oh god it's always me fucking up" - especially if it is.
Punish. Unless there is punishment there are no consequences. She's is selfish and shallow, and that means she only cares about what affects HER. That means you punish her to align her best interest with hers. Punishment means showing your displeasure, communicating less, ignoring her more. The punishment is calm emotionless withdrawal of attention.
Fundamentally you have to be prepared to walk away. Dealing with women is like dealing with the most immoral second hand car dealer you have ever met. If you are not prepared to walk away, if you need a car, if you are attached to one particular car then you have lost and you will get thoroughly fucked over faster than you can blink.
Once she thinks she's "got you", you lose all bargaining power and will be bullied into submission through fighting which she will always win because the more you fight the more you are showing her you are not prepared to walk away over poor behaviour.
BDATA 2y ago
You're so right. Your idea is amazing.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 2y ago
This, right here.
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BDATA 2y ago
She was with me but she had to go to work in a foreign country. She's even inviting me there. Actually, I don't like that place. I wanna be home.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Not enough info.
Is she a live in LTR?
In general, its better to withdraw your attention and affection rather than 'blowing up'.
The simple reason is this: 99% of women are just drama queens. They like it when you 'blow up' - this expressive display of emotion is reassuring for them, for a variety of reasons.
Sadly - if you respond by blowing up, she will be incentivised to behave even worse, because her bad behaviour is continually rewarded with what she wants (you blowing up).
So...the correct response is to withdraw you attention and affection.
BDATA 2y ago
Thank you. Everyone is saying a combo or either withdraw attention and affection or explain things once logically. OP said girls don't like fighting with a guy if we use logic instead of emotions and won't do it.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
"OP said girls don't like fighting...."
No no no no no no no.
Girls love fighting, and will do everything in their power to provoke fights. Because that gets an emotional response, blow up, fireworks etc.
Girls love fighting, and will try to provoke you into a fight. The correct response is punish that sort of behaviour with the response THAT SHE DOESN'T LIKE, WHICH IS TO WITHDRAW ATTENTION AND AFFECTION.