Does the man with no kids have a higher smv/rmv?

smv: same rmv: much lower

Depends on if their preselection instincts or their predatory pragmatism is doing the decision making at the time.

I have literally witnessed a 20-something move to another state to chase a deadbeat Chad that has never been faithful to any woman or obligation he has incurred, and predictably ended up getting turned into yet another single mom. Granted, one could call him a "single dad" in only the loosest terms since he lacked the stability to get any sort of custody. But he was hawwwwwwt and of course there was a never ending chain of women thinking that their Golden Vagina would be the one to fix him.

And I have also seen golddiggers turn their nose up at men with kids since that means less income for them to leech.

If they're smart, they'll avoid it too. Retroactive self-cuckery is a bad deal for women too. The drawbacks are the same:

• investing time and attention in offspring that isn't yours

• once the relationship is over, no visitation rights towards kids they've perhaps bonded with, and who've perhaps bonded with them

• responsibility without the authority of an actual parent

I wouldn't want it for my daughter to get with a single dad. It's a waste of the time you've been given on this earth.

Irrespective of gender, once you have kids it's best not to involve girlfriends/boyfriends in their lives. They shouldn't have to deal with temporary father - and mother figures coming and going. It's a (real) parent's responsibility to protect them from that sort of unnecessary turmoil.

If the dad's attractive enough in other ways, it won't matter. If anything, it's a positive due to pre-selection. It's usually only ever a negative when the woman is post-Epiphany Phase and more concerned with provision and resources.

You just dont hear women talking about legacy too often. In the way men want to have their own sons and not another mans.

A) Because any kids they have, they know are theirs. "Mama's baby, daddy's maybe".

B) men and women are different, and want different things from each other.

You're asking the wrong question, or looking at that question in the wrong way.

Here's the deal - it doesn't really matter WHAT WOMEN WOULD PREFER. It matters what they can get.

As women and men get older, the options for women rapidly decrease and the options for men get better. Women with no children, not married, and they have gone past 30, with children, are really not a good pick for any man.

When I got with my second wife (single, no kids), I was 43 and she was 33. I already had 2 kids by a prior marriage. There was no way I would ever LTR a women with kids, but she was happy to get with me, who did have kids. She probably would have preferred if I had not have had kids, but it any market place, it does not matter what you want, it matters what you are able to get. As they say in Germany, you can want in one hand and shit in the other, and we'll see which hand gets full first.

A woman at 34 is well past her prime (in terms of fertility) and therefore she is not a good pick for a guy with no kids that wants to have kids. Therefore, her only real hope is a guy that has already had kids and doesn't want more.

The thing you are missing here is that men and women are not the same, and therefore there is no symmetry.

Women don't want to recognise this (because its 'unfair'), so they don't, which is why so many of them waste their 20s on the CC and then find out that they have missed the boat.

This really can depend on a lot. If she is frustrated at wanting to be a mother, having no kids of her own it can actually interest her. The younger the child the better for this. If she is not motherly or is seriously resource aware, its a big put off. Its been that way in my life anyway.

However this all flips around if you give her a child of her own. At that point maternal instinct seems to kick in and in my experience, the classic stepmother then arises -constantly on the look out to see that her child always gets an equal or better deal than the one from the other woman. They seem blind to the fact that not everything can be equal but as a father you will do your very best to make sure things are as fair over time as possible. In fact the step mother dynamic has damaged all the relationships I have had more than any other thing. Infidelity does not seem to be as bad as giving the first child something the second one isn't ready for/ didn't really want/ hadn't earnt or just to compensate for something the second child was given earlier...

If one was to be selfish, I would say it might be best not to have children with the second woman, at least until the first child was a teenager.

I’ll begin with the disclaimer that I don’t have kids myself, and my sample size for observation is one, but since my sample set is my brother I got a really good look. Not only was my brother a single father for most of the time his kids were minors, but he had primary custody.

If that turned women off, I didn’t see it. My brother is a textbook “beta” (if you put stock in that sort of thing), but women have always gravitated toward him. His kids are grown and gone now and he didn’t get any more “alpha,” but a few years ago he married a fairly attractive woman ten years his junior.

I’m not sure if there are any lessons to glean from that, but there it is.