I’m 25, 6’2”, 6 figures, 6 pack. I live alone, in a coastal American city, near a university. I’ve been following the red pill for about 6 years now.
My friend is around 22, 5’7”, and is doing a masters program in the social sciences. He's fruity, but Timothy Charlemagne, fruity. Women feel safe around him, and he’s been able to turn that into a couple LTRs.
His girlfriend is 24, 5’9”, and very introverted. She’s also in a social science masters program. She grew up in a fairly conservative part of the US, but she’s socially liberal. When I met her, she was like a “good girl next door” that was trying to figure herself out.
About a year ago, my friend and his girlfriend moved to my city. Since then, my friend has gotten complacent. All he does is sit in his student apartment, playing video games, ordering take out, and getting fat. His place is a mess, with papers and food containers everywhere. His girlfriend is unhappy with the mess, but doesn’t have time to clean or cook because she works.
Over the last year, I tried to help him. I found him a part time job through some of my connections, but he turned it down. I started taking them to my gym, but he dropped out. I told him that if he doesn’t clean his apartment, she's gonna move on. And, it’s still covered in wrappers.
Despite my friend dropping out, his girlfriend has continued to work out with me 4 times a week. Over the next couple months, we started hanging out and became genuine friends. She picked up some of my hobbies. Started listening to my favorite book series. And went from abstaining from alcohol, to bar tending at some of my parties. Our mutual friends say that she’s turned into a copy of me.
Now, two days ago, I got back to my place after visiting a plate. The girlfriend asked me if she could come over, since her boyfriend was gaming. I agreed and she came over. We did some edibles, started drinking, and watched some trashy reality TV. It’s the kind of thing I’d do with any other friend of mine, or even with my mom.
An hour to two into it, she started trying to cuddle with me. I let her in, and we kept drinking and cuddling all night. At around 6am, I carried her to my bed, and we continued into the afternoon. Our clothes stayed on the entire time, and we didn’t kiss. But, we were pretty handsy.
Later, she asked if I wanted to invite her boyfriend, my friend, over and watch another movie over cocktails and weed. I agreed, because I started feeling bad. When he came over, she was less affectionate towards him. She sat in the middle of the couch, facing me. Then held his hand behind her back. My friend said that his girlfriend was actually uncomfortable with PDA, and I just let it go.
If I was a good friend, I would walk away from the situation. But, I’m hesitant. Their relationship is pretty much fucked. Even if I don’t go out with her, she’s checked out enough to spend the weekend at another guy's apartment. And, he's cucked enough to let her.
On my end, I have enough plates. In fact, I’ve been downsizing. Keeping up with them can be emotionally exhausting and expensive. Frankly, I could see myself with a single woman for a while.
Additionally, over the last 6 months, she’s turned herself into my perfect woman. I’ve helped her get into great shape and she is interested in all of my hobbies. She's even asked me for financial advice and gotten her shit together.
I know “It’s just my turn”. Especially with a relationship that starts in monkey branching. But, In your guy's experience, is the potential drama worth it? Or do I just keep my nose clean?
Edit:
Thanks for the comments guys. I really needed someone to remind me not to shit where I eat. I saw and opportunity and instinct took over. But I'm smart enough to not move on my buddies Ex.
I 100% agree that it would be a massive betrayal of trust to my friend. I think I just saw him falling down, and I lost some respect for him. I should be trying to help my bro be a better man. Especially after she dumps him.
A lot of people are saying it's scarcity thing, and I don't really understand that.
It could just be the way I phrased my post. I think people where thinking that I was gonna drop all my plates and try to do a committed relationship with her. But like ... she's already branched once. I'd expect her to do it again eventually.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 8mo ago
So you have plenty of plates, and high enough SMV to get plates at will but you need your own friend's gf in rotation?
Sexual strategy being amoral aside you are a terrible friend with a special kind of scarcity mentality. For your friend's sake I hope you end your friendship with him
TheRedPike Senior Endorsed 8mo ago
Plating people that are associated with friends is outright stupid. They will straight up lever your friends against you when the inevitable happens.
Shifty7591 8mo ago
You're right about the terrible friend thing. I think he's just falling behind, and I saw and opportunity. A good friend would be more motivated to continue to help him out, instead of trying to take advantage. Hopefully the break up will force him to clean up his act.
I don't understand the scarcity comment though.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 8mo ago
You have options out the ass it sounds like, yet at the same time you seem to NEED this one singular women out of thousands within your acceptable travel distance.
Probably one of the worst women to zero in on and you've just got to have her. It's scarcity driven by whatever you have going on in your mind
WhatToWith 8mo ago
I'm not sure I would say 'scarcity'. More like a power trip, forbidden fruit+ power trip, pleasure associated with cucking.
I imagine this is coming from the same place where the pizza gate stuff is coming from,
Shifty7591 8mo ago
I see where you're coming from. I won't try to rationalize my actions. I'll just do better going forward.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 8mo ago
Not trying to shame you just being very candid about how it looks
Overkill_Engine 2 8mo ago
Clearly you are poon obsessed enough that moral arguments are lost upon you, so here is a utilitarian set of arguments:
1) If she'll cheat for you, she cheat on you too. Same thing for monkey branching.
2) People, men included, won't keep or otherwise maintain social connections with someone they can't trust to not backstab them. A large portion of pre-selection for modern men comes from the social connections and thus social power he presents himself as having. You are going to have to put in a lot more work compensating for losing that aspect if you can't be bothered to not think with your dick 24/7.
3) Pussy or friends. One of the two is much harder to replace even for high SMV men.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 8mo ago
It still amazes me how few men realize that.
Overkill_Engine 2 8mo ago
"But surely princess unicorn farts is different (she make my pp hard) and thus I am different for finding her".
And yeah, women who allocate their interest in that way should be treated as temporary at best, just like their interest. They are not choosing based on long term compatibility or stability, so they are not to be relied upon for the same.
Shifty7591 8mo ago
I mean .... yeah
That's how it works
Shifty7591 8mo ago
You're right, and I'm not gonna go through with it. But I don't quite understand some of your arugments.
1) Yes. This is correct by definition. All women cheat, that's just kinda part of the game.
2) This ones fair and valid.
3) You're right about this, he's been a loyal friend to me. I was starting to feel a lot of resentment towards him because his life is going to shit. And I'm always trying to give him opportunities to fix it. But he just refuses to change anything. But these comments are giving me the cold water that I needed.
Overkill_Engine 2 8mo ago
Basically I was laying the groundwork for you to realize that you were going to prioritize something very temporary and replaceable (pussy) at the expense of something harder to replace (friendship/social connections). Doing this only makes any sense to someone functioning in a scarcity (of pussy) mindset. Or to a complete sociopath that does not value friendship at all. Neither are productive states to be in.
Some of us are old fucks, old enough to learn that as men get older, friendships get REALLY damn hard to replace, since old men have been backstabbed enough times that they get wary of forming social connections in the event it's just another user-tier dude running the strategy that you appeared to be.
Meanwhile life support systems for vaginas begging for cock and attention are fucking everywhere if you've been handling your shit.
Shifty7591 8mo ago
yeah, that makes sense
Hanscheezburger 8mo ago
the perfect woman who branch swings with her boyfriend's friend? Do you even know the bro's code?
If you fuck her you'll get a reputation for fucking your bros' hoes. It's also a scarcity mindset. Leave them be. Plenty of other chicks.
Shifty7591 8mo ago
You're right about the reputation thing. And my perfect woman is only around for a few months, until I find the next perfect woman. I don't really expect loyalty from the women I sleep with.
I don't understand the scarcity mindset comment. Like, if I was going to stop running game all together, and try to wife this chick, I'd get it.
But I could just be reading your comment wrong.
First-light 8mo ago
If his relationship is pretty much fucked, then she will be single soon and you can ask him what he thinks about the idea of you banging her.
He may of course stay with her and soon become a cuck. Then unless he invites you, steer clear. Probably steer clear anyway as it might still spoil your friendship.
If you want to be with a single woman, probably avoid this one -she has form for getting with her boyfriend's pals.
Its likely that she is just getting bored of him and not sure what to do about it. She may have to work out if she wants to be faithful or not -is there enough benefit for her in that relationship? (beta is not being very attentive he is playing on the nerd machine) could it be "saved" by some side Chad cock? I would clearly tell her you were going to leave her to figure that out because while you really like her, he is your pal. Now this will not please her because they like to know they have some secure branches they could jump to, even if they don't want to jump, just knowing they could jump gives them great security and delight. However if the rejection comes from a genuine honorable reason, if and when she has properly split with him there is nothing to stop you switching things right back on again and her ego will be flattered that you kept the branch for her.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 8mo ago
Serious question man how long have you been actually red pilled? Noticing a theme here on your comments
AbusiveFather1 8mo ago
no, you're a shit friend and have scarcity if you do that.
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coolsocks00 1 8mo ago
Sounds like, for all intents and purposes, you are her man already. The guy could use a red pill thats for sure.
Problematic_Browser 1 8mo ago
There's a general rule I have here:
If someone has to write a novel explaining the situation, then they're looking for justification to do something they know that they shouldn't.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 8mo ago
No
If you truly had an abundance mentality, you'd not entertain the idea of betraying a supposed friend for some pussy when pussy is plentiful.
Goingthedistance 8mo ago
So as a TL:DR:
Scumbag friend that has pussy already decides to destroy his friend's life by fucking his girlfriend just because he can. It doesn't matter if that girl is a ho or not, what matters is that you even entertained the idea of fucking her. This alone puts you in the scumbag category especially since you already have enough pussy to go around for yourself.
I've had acquaintances like this and both did it exactly like you, just because they could fuck some chicks that were into relationships they did, until one got stabbed by an ex boyfriend and the other ended up in the ER as another ex boyfriend decided to massage his face with a crowbar. Both lost their friend circles and are now into LTRs but I'm 100% sure they will fuck up in those relationships and do it all again.
You either learn to behave as a man and not break the bro code or you will eventually suffer actual consequences that go beyond losing respect and your friends.
EurasianChad 1 8mo ago
Too much rationalization for why you should fuck over a "friend".
You're violating a principle that could have you killed had this been a serious organization. This is what people call a snake or a rat.
Keep abundance mentality. There are more women out there with no BS drama that this will cause.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 8mo ago
I"m going to give you a real life example of a similar situation you have that I went through.
a billion years ago, back in my college days, I had a friend who I was certainly not one of my best buddies but was in our circle. He was a good guy, good looking, I also consider myself that.
Well, there was this girl who I ended up asking on a date and she enthusiastically said yes, setup for the weekend. I then found out that this friend also asked her out and she said yes.
Now, hey, it's just a first date to hang out with, in college days, no commitment or anything right?
I approached my friend and told him I heard he was going on a date with her, told him good job man, I didn't know about it. I'm going to drop my date, I don't want to get in the middle. He said, no problem Intreprid, I was going to tell you the same, I'm not gonna go on that date either.
Many years later, we both have friends in the same group we keep in touch with, the two of us, no longer but mainly because we moved long distance apart and so on.
repeat after me
Bro's before hoe's dude.
Dxmx99 8mo ago
The only way forward with her is killing your smv in her eyes.
Next time you see her, find a reason to start crying and then say you're going home to jerk it.
He-he but really if you disappear on her she might get a bit more forward with you. Gotta break things down before dropping her. start inviting both of them and only do that, if anything