I just can't seem to calibrate it correctly. I meet the girl, hang out, try to keep it light, escalate and show that I am interested in sex. We fuck once, twice, then I get ultimatum that we should either date and go towards relationship or split. This happens everytime and it's getting frustrating tbh. Once a girl invited me to her place after night out, we took a shower together and lay naked in the bed - she was wet as hell but didn't want to have sex since she is not that type of girl - I tried to escalate multiple times but after two hours I got bored and left.
I tried:
Telling very early that I am not looking for relationship - They get mad and fuck off.
No contact for a week after sex - They get mad and fuck off.
Nudge toward sex very early and keep nudging - They tell they are not that type of girl, they make me wait and wait so I just fuck off once we have sex.
Cudle after sex and show appreciation for her - that just speeds up the "talk".
Kiss and go home after sex - that also just speeds up the "talk".
I just can't find the balance for this. I don't know if I give away the LTR vibe, if I show too much or too little affection, if I go too deep in conversations or something else entirely. If I think I've shown too much affection and we are going toward texting more often I try to ease up on the contact, but it doesn't work since I think girl starts feeling like a whore in that situation and we get to the "talk". Keep in mind I am 35 and girls I date are in 25 - 35 range. I don't use apps, only approaching. I worked fucking hard on myself for the last 15 years and I am finally at the point in my life when I can pull some girls, so it is a pretty annoying situation for me.
Any tips for this, maybe some general direction or mindset that will help out both me and those girl to be clear and dandy?

Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago Stickied
Told OP he could post in askTRP hence double post
First-light 2 2y ago
A lot of good stuff has been said here from a lot of different angles. I would add -keep Briffault's law in mind. Enough benefit has to go to her or she bails. Women always want more benefit not less. They know that where they win is in LTRs, so unless they are already sorted for an LTR or LTRs, normal women will want to escalate things this way.
You can put on your best performance and keep spinning her wheels but at some point the hamster wheel will actually come up with the actual truth "I am worth more than this" ("My SMV could snag someone of equal value to this guy to do all this and a lot more for me in a Beta capacity, which would make me feel a lot more secure")
Briffault's law is like gravity. You can beat it but only for a short while by expending energy. You tend to expend more and more energy as time goes by. Early on you succeeded in being judged to be high enough value to be offered free sex but its really an inducement to buy into being her Beta. Later you can still get the sex but you will end up doing beta stuff for her like taking her out for the evening, fixing her washing machine and being called up about small worries. You still have to be that great high value guy who spins her wheels and makes her feel great. To do this while also being absent a lot you will still end up paying one way or anther.
The best solution is to look for women to whom you will continue to offer long term benefit as a FB because that is what they actually want. These are harder to find because they are the exceptions for whom a LTR would not pay. Since most guys would like a FB or two or more, the types who are happy with the arrangement are usually trashier and are likely to be doing this sort of thing regularly with other guys. You will probably be basically joining a beta collective who all do some stuff for her and overall its enough and she just loves being wanted by them all. A well married lonely women might see long term benefit but you would need to work to become really trusted and to also fill the blanks for her -whatever they may be. This would be the happiest solution probably. A damaged and divorced woman who trusts no man but still likes to bang could work too but then you have a lot of baggage to contend with. A mentally unstable woman who undervalues herself and seizes on your crumbs of affection could work -but just don't as you risk being called controlling. In the end LT FB is against the trend of gravity and so pickings are lean and work is hard.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
There are three reasons this will happen:
Not attractive enough for no-strings-attached sex
Sex not good enough for NSA sex.
See above.
Always best to follow up with reassuring "this wasn't a one night stand" after sex...... WITHOUT commitment...... eg.... "Had a great time with you last night, hope to see you again" (but without immediately rescheduling).
See first three points.
This is showing too much beta behaviour.
Well the good news is that you're getting lots of sex and opportunities, so with a bit of adjustment this could work. I think you are looking for FWB (which is awesome, highly recommended), and you can clearly get girls, so you're almost there.
You need to negotiate with girls what you are looking for BEFORE sex. Tell them exactly what you want. "So, before things go any further between us, I want to tell you where I'm coming from. Firstly.... I like you. Secondly..... I don't do exclusive relationships. Serious maybe... caring.... sexual..... fun.... good times...... travel...... I like all that, but I can't offer you exclusivity. This lifestyle isn't for everyone, I hope we can continue to see each other, but I understand if not."
After that you stop talking, let her talk. 50% will say "not for me". 50% will say "not for me, I don't do that, I only do sex in full time committed relationships, buttttttttt.... I do really like you..... soooo...... well, we can continue seeing each other".
you do
too much without clarification
I'm not you and I'm not the girl, but well..... this is fairly standard stuff and fairly easy to negotiate. You're close if girls will fuck you first and have the talk later.
It's also important not to have continual recurring dates lined up. She must be fearful she's lost you.
Perfect
Perfect
You are 99% of the way to the FWB rotation of your dreams.
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
have you considered that this is the life of a Chad? that (most) women don't really want to stick around after they've fucked him, knowing that he'll never commit? they throw a hail-mary, get shot down, and move on to the next man.
Electrical_Tackle 2y ago
Maybe because you are older, they expect a relationship? Otherwise they would be Tindering/Partying with their 20 y boys.
Idk, but can you elaborate "I worked fucking hard on myself for the last 15 years and I am finally at the point in my life when I can pull some girls"?
bannanawolf 2y ago
I lost my youth to mental illness, poverty and social isolation. I struggled my ass off with self improvement until I got clear brain, very high salary in my country and being ok with social exposure and organizing gatherings. I basically went from having panic attacks in front of the clerk because I haven't talked to anybody for 3 months to having a nice life and my shit together.
Now I can find a girlfriend no problems, but I want a few lasting casual relationships.
Electrical_Tackle 2y ago
I will tell you that: First, congrats. Second: Of course a girl who sees someone like that will want to have him to herself. I would see as a good sign. If it's not what you want, look at different venues/kind of girls. Where are you finding those? Cause you said its IR approaches. Online would be more in line with your purpose i guess.
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
what do you do for work, if you don't mind sharing?
bannanawolf 2y ago
software engineer
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