it seems like every woman i meet in america that is either a grad student or has a serious career going is the absolute worst. a lot of them give me this psycho stare like they're bunkmates with hannibal lecter, and their speech makes me feel like they're on the verge of a mental breakdown - and i'm not describing a dating scenario, just neutral, friendly conversation. i specify "america" because, in general, i did not encounter the same pheonomenon in europe.
i was at a social event yesterday with dancing involved; the more mature (30+) women i've spoken to had the aforementioned traits, and they were doctors, or medical students, or lawyers and so on. it seemed like they were trying hard to be on their best behavior, but they still seemed unhinged despite their efforts; i couldn't bear their presence for more than a few minutes. then i was mingling with 20-something year olds - community college students, service industry workers, liberal arts majors, etc: we were having pleasant, unforced conversations, we were dancing and they were clearly having fun - at this point i could just feel the look of those career women on us. i looked back at them, and they just seemed sad. i tried reengaging them and they tried harder to appear as better people but ended up looking even worse.
do you feel that careerist women is a big no-no for you? a buddy of mine always says that he's looking for an intelligent, educated woman to marry, one he could have meaningful conversations with for the rest of his life. i very much sympathize with the sentiment, but i'm beginning to question the practicality of it.
Grunk 1y ago
Careerist women aren't limited to college, my ex was a blue-collar electrician and as crazy about her work as the people you talk about.
For me, I would like her to attend college but maybe not go to grad school. Ultimately this isn't critical I suppose but something leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to dating a girl who is a substantially lower social class/behavior class or if she wants to continue doing it after meeting me. I would even help pay for an undergrad degree(beta I know).
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
It's very noteworthy that women wanted equality, but they most certainly do NOT want men that earn less than them.
Ladies, if you are going to have equal pay by law, that means that on average, you will have half the men with higher pay, and half with lower pay that the average woman.
But the way women behave makes zero sense: they say they want equal pay, but they want 100% of women to be able to find a guy that makes more than they do. It just doesn't add up.
I often find myself at a dinner party, and the women will be bitching about some other woman that is not at the party, let's call her Jen. At some point, one of the women will say
"I think Jen earns all the money in that relationship...."
And they nod and look at each other knowingly. The smear hangs in the air like a stale fart. In the female world, that is the bitchiest thing you can say about another woman. It's basically saying that Jen is a failure. She can't be very attractive, and we've all just confirmed that, but publicly shaming her by saying the quiet part out loud ...she can't even find a high paying husband! Like we all did!
Truly women are a fucking disaster. With all that SIW feminist b/s, and they still define their own success as a woman by the standard of man that they are able to get. Their entire self worth is defined by the man they get.
What a disaster of a gender.
ogrilla99 1y ago
Well, technically, almost all women could have a man with higher pay if every woman only picked a man slightly richer than herself. That is, let's say you have 10 women who make 10k, 20k, 30k all the way to 100k. And you have 10 men who each make the same. The average wage would be the same. But as long as the 10k woman married the 20k guy, the 20k woman married the 30k guy, and so forth, then there would be 9 couples where the man earns more than the woman (with the lowest-earning man and the highest earning woman being left out).
Unfortunately, that's not how it works though. Because the guy not only has to out-earn her, but the difference has to be big enough that the total family income makes a material difference in the standard of living she can afford while giving her the option to quit her job when the kids come along and/or she gets tired of working. This usually means the guy has to earn at least 150% more than her or else he's not rich enough to make it worthwhile. So all 10 women have their eyes set on the 90k and 100k guys (top 20%). Those 2 guys bang all the women and then settle with the prettiest, youngest, most feminine ones (he doesn't care about their salary) which are usually the lower-earning ones. So the 10k woman marries the 90k guy, the 20k woman marries the 100k guy. The rest of the woman stay single because they'd rather be side pieces to the richest men than marry someone who's merely just slightly richer than themselves.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
It's a red flag for me. They don't understand what men want (hence blowing years of their lives in education they don't need instead of finding a man) and their self-perceived status gives them a sense of entitlement to narrow their prospect pool to only the top men, lest they feel like they "date down"
They end up with unreasonable standards and attitude and because they can't find what they want but are human and still need sex, end up on Chad dick sex and the city style to cope with not finding a guy that fits their preferences
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TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
The corporate or business life itself beats masculinity into you. No wonder they end up losing their feminine side.
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
Not any more. The corporate life beats the femineity / gayness / trans culture INTO you. The corporate arena is no longer a "safe space" for straight white men.
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
The women you describe are living a sort of dichotomy that they can't quite understand or even define.
Many of them are good looking, come from good homes and are actually nice people underneath it all. But they have been consumed by feminist propaganda. They have been told their entire lives that they 'don't need a man'. Their entire life (education, career etc) has been orientated towards being a SIW.
And now they find themselves in the dichotomy of our times: they don't need a man, but they desperately want one. They feel ashamed for even wanting one. Their public voices are at odds with their inner voices. When they meet up with other SIW, they loudly proclaim about how crap all men are, how useless, how racist and bigoted they are, and how they don't need them, because they have 'their own money'.
But in private, they cry into their wine while stroking their cats in their overpriced wage-cage apartments. The debt is ticking up every day. The floor is strewn with amazon boxes, wrappings of late night impulse purchases that never seem to cheer them up. She COULD just have a child on her own, if she wanted to. Because she 'doesn't need a man'. But.... childcare is so expensive. How often would she see the child? How could she take time off from her high pressure job in HR? And...(whisper this bit)...could she actually have a child? She has spent 17 years on the pill, half her life in a chemical war against her ovaries. If she just stopped now, would they spring back into life?
But hey, I'm still hot. I went to this social event and I met this guy, and he was defo giving me the eye. He must have been a bit intimidated, because after a couple of minutes, he wandered off to chat to some girls that were basically just teenagers. Imagine that! I guess most men just aren't able to hold an adult convo, so they prefer chatting with teenagers.
My prince will come. I just got to put myself out there. That's what my therapist said.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1y ago
it's a good topic.
I'm an old guy, but my view hasn't changed since I was young. I'm not a traditionalist though.
I want a woman who can support herself financially. I want a woman who doesn't have a lot of debt. Doesn't have to work crazy hours.
She needs to be able to meet my type of lifestyle. Like If I like to travel, she has to want to and be able financially to go with me. Why? Because I'm not paying for her.
She doesn't need to be rich, but has to pay for her stuff. Like if she wants to buy a $400 pair of shoes, it's on her credit card and she better pay for her monthly rent, food,etc also.
It's tough to find women today, even older women, who are willing to pay their half, and want to/willing to sacrifice for their guy.
You young guys, you got to realize that the (older 30's) women he's describing at this event, Here's what's going through their heads.
" Look at these 20 something bitches on the dance floor". Dam, I wish I was that thin again and didn't care about my reputation and could just dance the night away at this social event.
Oh, look at this good looking guy. He's a bit old, not a big deal, but he's not at my level financially. I mean I'm a MBA and a manager, what's he? Oh, whatever, he's out their dancing with the 20 year olds, they always want the young pretty ones. shit, she's young enough to be his daughter.
As women move up the career/financial ladder, they limit the options of mate potential. We all know, a girl is not going to stick with a guy who doesn't make as much as she does. She's too good for that, she deserves more.