How persistent have you guys been?
First let me start off thats im not talking about chasing, but the courting phase where you are putting in effort to ask them out, rescheduling, setting up dates, dealing with shit tests, all until the point you "conquer" them (get them to like you) and they become simps for you.
Im talking about high quality girls. All my best girlfriends involved a decent amount of pursuit, yes they made it easy but gave some challenges sparingly to see if i would walk away such as a few flakes/shit tests or what not.
Im not talking about low value girls who approach you, "make the first move", or are thirsty because youre built and handsome.
I think TRP has a misconception that girls who are interested NEVER flake. But in my opinion, i think some high-quality girls will test you in this manner. Despite the challenges, to what extent do you pursue through the bullshit?
I used to cut off girls after 1 or 2 flakes and i think its a rookie "alpha" mistake. If the girl is worth it and theres green flags in other areas and they are available most of the time, you need to not be so quick to cut them off, in my opinion.
lonewolf1 2y ago
That's your hamster trying to justify you triple-texting and re-attracting a lost cause.
Let it go. One chance is enough. We pursue - if it's not matched with the same energy there is no point convincing and conquering a chick though any type of game or tactic.
Pursue success and the girls you will attract will not make you question anything. Promised, champ.
Bagpipes 2y ago
I can speak from experience its bullshit. Theres a difference between a girl flaking out on you because low interest and a girl who sees you 90% of the time and is unavailable here and there and reschedules.
TRP is not so black and white. You have to look at the big picture, and also realize if a girl is high quality enough in your eyes you have to deal with some bullshit, is she worth it? Is it worth her being unavailable here and there if she treats you right, submits in person, and fucks you good?
When i first started TRP I took the super strict one flake and done rule. Its just unrealistic way to run a real relationship past a plate who lasts for 4-5 weeks.
lonewolf1 2y ago
We are not talking about the odd one-off and reschedule (even that should give you a hint - a girl wanting to be with you won't risk flaking 99% of the time in my experience). Your frustration speaks for itself, it's you doing the over-pursuing what is bothering you. I get it.
If she complies it's all dandy, but you having doubts how much you really have to pursue is the core of the problem. You can sense it, the bitch just ain't making it easy and natural and that is all you need to know.
Once you been adored and treated like a king from a quality girl - you will never accept anything else. Pure natural femininity. You know the real deal.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
True I make all my bitches massage me and cook me food. King treatment or nothing. This ain't even big ego, I just objectively know who the prize is.
Some girls will play weird games, remove attention and next. Not worth time or thought
Bagpipes 2y ago
This post was moreso for pursuing high quality women (whether prospect, plate)..
Obviously weve all had the low quality tier girls you would never take in public or think about LTR or introduce to friends. Its very easy to cut them off after 1 or 2 strikes, of course.
But what if a girl is being vetted and she brings a lot to the table, but shes unavailable twice? Sometimes its not low interest. I think YMMV and every relationship has its own context, not so black and white.
Being flaked on 3-5 times in a row? Now its disrespect and basically ghosting. Doesnt matter how "LTR" material they are.
So im not about giving many chances, i just think theres a grey area here, and the 2 flake dismissal rule is not to be taken extremely literally, i see it thrown around on TRP a lot. That rule was for men with no backbone to vet out uninterested women i.e. A beta who is being used for attention and the girl hasnt met up with him 4 times in a row. Hes so beta and being strung along, he needs to read TRP to know shes wasting his time.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Bro stop rationalizing.
Look at objective reality:
Men at the top of status/power/money who just "get it" aka. were good with women regardless of money/before $ have women COMPETING for their attention. I'm talking about girls who are way hotter than any girl you're banging & lower body count since there's so few apex males at their SMV.
However you wanna deal with women is your choice but you're just putting more effort into women that other men don't have to. Simple.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Translation = quality girls that are too close in SMV to myself
Do you think a low-body count Stacey would let an Apex Chad slip through her fingers just because he's not pursuing enough or giving her enough attention
Sounds like you're just justifying not having a high enough SMV/RMV combo over the girls you are talking about. They wouldn't let you slip through their fingers if they had genuine desire and actually didn't want to lose out on you
fockedup 2y ago
Exactly this. If she's into you, she'll make it easy.
I asked 3 girls to hang out recently. Two of them made it extremely easy - willing to meet up, and when their schedule was conflicting they made suggestions on alternative dates and saw them through. The entire interactions felt easy and clear.
The third girl said yes to meeting up but gave me a very wishy-washy statement about being busy seeing family during the holidays, with no suggestions for another date that works for her. So I told her that's understandable and to shoot me a message when her schedule clears. Me saying this was mostly being cordial because I'm in a small town - it's clear she isn't super interested in meeting with me or she would have made it easier.
You can put in extra effort and keep texting her, keep asking to hang out. But at the end of the day if she thinks you aren't worth losing, she won't let you slip by.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Basically
They have so many options, but most of their options suck or are the same quality
Imagine you are in a band and 20 people ask you to play at their venue, but all the venues suck, and you know you'll get offers whenever.
Then one awesome venue asks you to perform one day but you already had another show you wouldn't leave them hanging or make them chase you, you would reschedule immediately or even flake on an inconsequential venue you already booked so long as the consequences were worth getting the fantastic one
Thinking otherwise is cope like in the OP
Bagpipes 2y ago
Only low hanging fruit will make things 100% easy. Its a pretty well known secret amongst men that the best girlfriends are the ones YOU approach and lead, and those are where the higher smv ones are. A lot of men settle for women who APPROACH them and make it easy for them. These ones are typically going to be lower smv than if they did the pursuing.
Letting Chad slip thru because shes not available for X, Y, Z reason is not the same thing as dismissing him. You cant get expect 100% availability. Assuming there is a healthy relationship between the two of you, she knows one or two unavailabilities wont equate to a permanent severation of the relationship (break up). This is not to be confused with when a girl flakes 3-5 times in a row and is basically ghosting you or breaking up.
When women dismiss men its usually extreme disrespect, extremely toxic shit tests, etc. Being sparily unavailable is not letting Chad get away.
And by the way, when i say pursuing, i mean, going on dates and fucking. Not just coffee dates hoping to get laid and her asking for 6 dates before sex. I just mean there seems to always be a period where youre going on dates and fucking but they dont completely surrender their lifestyle to you and be fully conquered. The end game her being conquered emotionally, simp status.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
I'm not talking about women cancelling for legitimate reasons. Women are people too, shit happens.
But one that is genuinely interested is going to be the one that reschedules 95/100 times. She's not going to make you jump through hoops to reschedule or be saying shit like "I have to check my schedule first" and having you text back and forth to get a new day.
Yes she may want you to go on a date first if she's not a tramp but she's also not going to leave you guessing after the first date, she's going to jump at seeing you again for a second one and what your availability is, so you're not going to be sitting there on your dick wondering if you have a chance or not. She's still going to kiss you and be excited by the end of the first date, you won't be guessing even if you can't first night pull.
Even she puts up a tad of slowing down the pace for an Apex he isn't going to be sitting there guessing, her interest will convey to him a confidence and assuredness that if he just plays the game a little bit longer he'll smash and it will never once feel like a hassle to him because of the enjoyment and interest level
If you're doing the majority of the legwork she doesn't have genuine desire and you're not her top option. Women (even high value ones) do not let their top options slip through their fingers, they do most of the legwork
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
2 chances to meet up max.
Set up date on day when I'm gonna do something in the area, so if she flakes it's cool I had shit to do. Even make her go with you if you have shit to buy/errands if she comes on 1st date.
Put ball in her court "ok tell me when ur free & we try 1 more time".
If she flakes again - remove attention completely.
This BS about over pursuing only happens when you're beta. Trying to "game" your way into having her comply just screams no abundance. It's take it or leave it, direct very fast (calibrate to culture, don't be TOO mind blowing).
Filter out the bitches who're playing games fast, waste less time, more time spent actually pursuing GOALS and PURPOSE. The less your ego depends on girls, the more calm you'll be when she flakes/isn't so into you.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Applies to first dates, but my standard flake response can be applied to plates.
Always put ball on her court after flake.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
I used to HATE ball in her court mentality, back when I thought there was something I could do about it, could change her interest.
Now that I'm older and wiser I realize she just didn't have the desire.
I've had friends try to go on dates with chicks and get their number and get flakey rejection answers. I got the same chicks number literally 5 seconds after they tried and she said "we have to hang out soon!" She came over and we fucked.
Once you see it you can't unsee it. Admittedly took me some additional learning to realize fully there are not really any exceptions to this. She knows what do when she meets a guy she has high desire for. She can't help it. Her solipsistic need to have the best she "deserves" means she will sprint over broken glass to lock down what she wants before another chick can
Bagpipes 2y ago
Bro youll break every single plate after 2 flakes considering you guys see each other heavy volume. IMO, the 2 flake rule is for TRP robots. Its thrown around a lot as a general rule of thumb for guys who get flaked on a lot, and to have standards against that. Like everything, the big picture should be taken into account.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
It's not a hard and fast rule as I said, meant for 1st dates.
Up to what you prioritize. Bitches or self respect.
If you're really the top dog believe me she won't flake twice, and she will chase. If she doesn't, do you really give a fuck? What's your value system like?
After you smash a couple of times they usually get attached if you're #1. If you ain't #1 either you're doing something wrong, or some guy just does it better.
You think the ultra high power apex men are allowing 2 flakes? Focus on the money & power and respect NOT the bitches.
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Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
The quality determines the effort, but I only offer one time.
A slattern will just get an offer to get railed. A nice girl, I'll take her on a date. Either way, a "no thanks" is the end. I've got other things to do.
They don't. If a woman is interested, she'll bulldoze obstacles in the way of you getting to her.
Wrong. High quality women don't do this because they don't need to.
Yeah...you're rationalizing.
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