Makes sense.
You are not even a sexual option to a girl if you are uncapable of obliterating her bubble(one of the reasons they shit tests). You fail to penetrate her bubble by playing it safe and being "friendly"(which makes them suspicious of your intent. They know a bad boy only wants sex, yet they fuck him enthusiastically. When you are just "nice" to them, they see it as "oh, he only wants sex" and they auto-reject you), NOT escalating, NOT teasing, NOT accusing. NOT being playful. Men tend to be logical all the time, and that makes it hard when gaming, because you have to let loose and understand not everything you say has to be logical. Guys who have good game don't : chat about politics, ask the girls mundane questions you ask guys, chat about complex subjects. Guys good at game talk about silly stuff really, just fluff, while incorporating different tools of game. I struggle with this myself. Also, you don't need a "perfect" opening to touch her. And touch is one of the most important tools in game. I sometimes hesitate when wanting to touch a girls back or shoulders, ESPECIALLY when the only prior touch was a handshake.
How girls reject you:
When a girl asks you "why are you talking to me?" or keeps asking "why did you ask that?", this is them refusing to let you into their bubble to begin with.
I would like to hear the opinion of what guys who slept with plenty of women think about this.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Are you basically describing setting a sexual frame? I mean, obviously, yes. That's what you should do. That's basic TRP.
What is your question?
Hamza99 2y ago
Is making her feel different emotions in a short period of time the only way to make her want you?
Do you NEED to be assertive and to the point in order to make her want you?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Yes. Women need tingles
More assertive men get better emotional responses. But also there is such a thing as being too assertive and at socially uncalibrated times
Hamza99 2y ago
"Guys good at game talk about silly stuff really, just fluff, while incorporating different tools of game."
This was one of the things I wanted to get opinions about from experienced guys.
What do you think about this statement?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Agree. About 50% of my conversations with women are meaningless banter and teases showing that they are in my frame
Then i kino and talk about things that could lead to logistics (drinks, activities, making food, hookupy stuff, my guitars, etc.)
Maybe 25% of what I talk about is factual information and meaningful convo and rapport
Most of my conversations with women are meaningless banter
Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
You're overthinking it.
Remember the first two rules:
Your actions are interpreted through her lens of if she finds you attractive or not. That's it. No secret.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Being attractive includes being able to handle shit tests, accurately identifying frame/power dynamics and attempts at control, and then calling it out or downright ignoring the frame to establish your superiority in the power dynamic of the relationship
Intrepid_Place53900 1 2y ago
correct Euro
Girls want the guy they fuck to "just get it".
You described a guy who does just that
Hamza99 2y ago
How do you become more attractive and less unattractive?
financehardo420 2y ago
Step 1: get muscles
Step 2: buy lululemon clothes/clothes that accentuate your muscles. Aka dress well.
Step 3: good haircut
Step 4: good hygiene and good cologne
That covers the basics pretty much.
Don’t be fat
Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
Get muscles and get money.
Hamza99 2y ago
"Guys good at game talk about silly stuff really, just fluff, while incorporating different tools of game."
This was one of the things I wanted to get opinions about from experienced guys.
What do you think about this statement?
Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
If you're attractive, it really doesn't matter what you talk about. Women judge men's hobbies based on if they are attractive or not.
I.e. Henry Cavill is BIG into Warhammer 40K. You think any of these sketelles would say to him "you're really nerdy and off-putting."
Fuck no. They'd be hanging on every fuckin word.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 2y ago
get muscles for the casual sex
get money for the LTR guy
Hugo_The_Great 2y ago
He said get money. Not 'spend money on her'. There is a difference.
A guy with a career, good money & flashy car (all proxies for power & status) can be equally tingle inducing as muscles can.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 2y ago
Disagree Hugo.
Looks gets you the tingles, casual sex options,etc. Because she's hot for you.
Money, career, nice car, gets you interest from her, not tingles.
This is basis of Alpha Fux and Beta Bux
Hamza99 2y ago
"Money, career, nice car, gets you interest from her, not tingles."
And not the kind of interest you want.
Genuine desire comes from looks and feels (game). Pre-selection also helps with this.
Hamza99 2y ago
No.
Someone like Elon Musk has a great career, billion of dollars, power, status, literally a one in a billion guy, however, too nerdy and out of shape. Amazing LTR material, but horrible genuine desire(tingles) material.
Material things can NEVER be equally tingle inducing as muscles (being in great shape).
Even good game trumps material stuff.
What you are saying is very blue pill. "I will work hard, get a fast car, then the girls are gonna be drippin wet"
Why the fuck do you think most girls "put up" with "asshole" chad, even when he is jobless?
Hugo_The_Great 2y ago
Ehh maybe I should've phrased money as being a multiplier.
I'm in great shape, tall, wealthy & intelligent. All I know is that if I hadn't been as wealthy, there would be a segment of women I'd be missing out on. Tall, good-looking brokies with no status do not have access to these women because they aren't even allowed in those social circles.
Yeah, if you're a dork and all you've got is money you're now a super dork. Andrew Tate said it best.
Hamza99 2y ago
If you were in touch with community, you would know Andrew Tate has a negative rep around here.
I guess you are a basement dweller.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Girls only respect guys who they cannot manipulate.
I've seen the craziest switch ups in behavior after calling out tests and friendzone attempts:
Real examples from the past 2 weeks: On a date, girl said "we should be friends first". I said "Chad doesn't do friends". She laughed and then proceeded to tell me I should meet her cats in her apartment.
Another girl in her 30s in a bar tried shit testing me saying "awww you're so young, you could be my little nephew", I literally said "yeah you like that though. You're just testing to see if I give a fuck" with a shit eating grin. She denied it but her body language was saying otherwise, so it was insanely obvious to me. Long story short I ended up pulling this girl back to her own apartment. Funny how that works.
The mindset is always: comply or goodbye, with a smile. This is true abundance mentality which immediately puts a halt to any supplicating nice guy simp behavior.
So many times I've walked away from girls in person that they've literally grabbed and clawed me to pull me back, it's actually fucking crazy how powerful this is. Not as a technique, but as a true abundant mentality of idgaf if I lose you (bitch), I always stick to my principles.
You can't fake this shit. Its gotta be internalized. You are the prize
financehardo420 2y ago
Yup spot on.
Showing you give absolutely zero fux if you lose the bitch = makes them dripping wet.
Being willing to walk away without a second thought is a characteristic that’s become rare as fuck in today’s soyboy Samuel simperton era
MovinCruisin 2y ago
So basically women are turned on when powerless. Well, they're made to be submissive, after all.
Hamza99 2y ago
"Guys good at game talk about silly stuff really, just fluff, while incorporating different tools of game."
This was one of the things I wanted to get opinions about from experienced guys.
What do you think about this statement?
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Most of the time I'm just amusing myself.
The ability to be fun and carefree, whilst being able to switch to serious and passionate when it's needed.
Its all play bro. That's why it's called game.
financehardo420 2y ago
Why would you discuss politics w women that’s basically willingly walking into a trap
Hamza99 2y ago
Habibi, I dont personally.
Guys who are 23+ who have weak or no game do that. Talk about politics, religion, beliefs, controversial news or topics.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
I'm not 100 % sure you have actually formulated a coherent question - but I'll try to answer it.
You need to be more confident. If you are not confident, you need to fake it till you make it. When you approach women, be the guy that smiles and is happy. You don't need to really say all that much, or do funny one liners. Be happy, smiley, self confident. And indifferent.
A women sees a happy smiling confident guy, and thinks 'there's something about that guy - why is he happy? well adjusted? confident? I want a part of that. I want to be with a guy like that, because he is everything I am not.
You have to realise just how nervous and insecure women are, how much they hate themselves. Many of them cry or feel sick when they see themselves in the mirror. It's no coincidence that 95% of self cutting victims are women, and about 90% of eating disorders - its all about self loathing. And when they see a guy who is happy, they think, he must have something, something special.
If you are not tall and good looking and athletic - you need to have that special something. Hell, I would say that a guy that is supremely self confident, happy, smiling, has no fear at all when talking to women, doesn't give a fuck what they say, will out perform a tall, ripped, strong jawed chad that is nervous, spergy, shy and uncallibrated.
Practice being confident. Fake it. Role play it. Go to drama classes if you need to.
The bad news is that the world belongs to the self confident men. Women go wild for self confident men. I've often heard young women chatting about some guy that they all 'hate' - and they'll say things like
"Oh he's awful, he's so cocky"
"Yeah, he's so full of himeself"
"totally, he's soooooooo arogant"
And it turns out that the guy they're talking about is some guy that has fucked them all.
When the talk about some other guy, that is
"Soooooo sweet"
"a real sweat heart"
"He's such a doll, really shy but a good guy"
This is a guy that none of them will ever fuck.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Facts. A lot of dudes think smiling is being beta, they couldn't be more wrong.
You can have a strong character and smile at the same time. Just make sure that smile is one of "yeah I usually get my way and expect the same here" rather than "please approve of me".
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
You're right, they ARE wrong. Because smiling is very much associated with being happy and relaxed. If you're relaxed and happy while you are chatting to women, it shows them that this is not a stressful situation for you - that you do it all the time.
That's what women want. They need to be shown that if they are not interested, that you will switch your attention to another women within seconds and not even remember them.
Women only go for you if they feel that they might be missing out if they don't go for you. Nothing motivates them more than 'fear of regret'. That you might be the one that got away. That you might break off and start chatting up some other woman.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
also, if you calibrate it right, a little smile can be very disrespectful. It can be a great way to neg bitchy, self entitled hotties while you are talking to them.
Think about the face off between two boxers, usually they try to look really mean and intimidating - but holding eye contact and giving a little smile can be a great way to undermine your opponent.
Smiling at a women that you are gaming shows that you are zero percent nervous.
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
i don't know man, the highest quality broads i ever got with i was "friends" (more like acquaintances) with at first and/or neutral.
Hugo_The_Great 2y ago
Of course, because when they've been exposed to you for more time, they will notice other qualities besides your first impression.
That's why most men run social circle game; it increases your odds dramatically.
The only men who can casually pull hotties the first time meeting them have top tier looks and/or game.
MrSupreme 2y ago
This is all one statement. You just found it out all by yourself,congrats but it doesn't sound like you're completely at peace with it as a fact. Yes girls have a bubble, you pop it and you fuck her, doesn't mean she's gonna accept you as a boyfriend,husband or even a second fuck in some cases. There's another bubble for hubbies and boyfriends and fuckbois.
Take your time if you just found out this fact, be at peace and keep growing
Hamza99 2y ago
Thanks.
Yes, I did find out by myself through experience. I am figuring stuff out just by actually approaching and learning through failures(and sometimes success).
Classic case of growing up with no male figure and BP conditioning everywhere. The concept of “you need to burst her bubble“ or something similar is never mentioned on the red pill. The common advice is have fun, tease her, give her tingles, be confident, look attractive(muscles), isolate, escalate
It’s the girls job, not the man’s, to seek a boyfriend or husband. Basic redpill tenet.
“There's another bubble for hubbies and boyfriends and fuckbois.”
Could you elaborate? Fuckbois are completely treated differently than hubbies or boyfriends. Moreover, how is that bubble different from the first bubble you need to burst in order to fuck her?
Hugo_The_Great 2y ago
Bursting her bubble is never mentioned on trp? Lol.
What you are describing is literally imposing your frame on her. When 2 frames collide, 'or bubbles', especially in a male/female dynamic, 1 person's frame will be established as the dominant one. If it's yours, you essentially pop her bubble/frame. Thing is, most guys enter the woman's frame.
And generally speaking, yes, women only sleep with guys that hold the dominant frame in their dynamic.
You're not reinventing the wheel here dude
Hamza99 2y ago
You can burst her bubble and be in her frame(like most men).
I read your other comments and you lack basic TRP knowledge.
Hugo_The_Great 2y ago
Lol.
Why ask questions if you know everything?
I see now that what you're referring to as 'popping her bubble' is just the bare minimum SMV you need to have for her to even entertain the thought of you for more than one second. My bad, I've been out of the creep/not-a-human category for so long I forgot it was a thing.
Yeah, no shit, you're not getting laid if you don't even have enough SMV for her to want to be seen anywhere near you. Took me a sec to realize your question was that retarded.
The ultimate 'bubble pop' is being the one who is in total control of the frame of an interaction. Which will get you giga laid if you can do it consistently. That is what I was talking about above, but that's probably 3 levels above your current pay grade if girls are asking you why you are talking to them lmaooo
Hamza99 2y ago
Mmm, you took it personal.
Not true. Have you ever heard of attention whores? You know… obviously you don’t.
They are girls who will show interest back, but not intent to actually meet you or have sex.
You can be the one in total control of an interaction and still get rejected eventually.
Seems like you haven’t left the creep/not-a-human category yet.
poping her bubble has to do with getting her engaging/wanting to engage. Has little to do with SMV, as long as you look presentable.
Thanks for your retarded contribution
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 2y ago
Looking at your post and some of your replies to the guys who replied to you, you are really overthinking some of this and trying to reinvent the wheel.
Hamza99 2y ago
I might be overthinking, and that's okay. I am new to this. Some of the guys who responded gave great advice.
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