So University started just over a month ago. Initially, everything was great as we were all getting to know each other. However, I've noticed a shift in dynamics, and I find myself feeling like the "weird kid" now.
People have started giving me un-serious greetings with a "get your annoying ass out of here, bro," and I've noticed that I'm always the one initiating interactions. It seems like I'm not gaining the respect I'd like. When I asked a few of my close friends about it, they mentioned that it might be due to the gay jokes I make and my general immaturity. I acknowledge that I've been immature at times, and I genuinely want to improve.
I've realized that my conversations often lead to topics like drugs and alcohol and my eagerness to try these, which may not resonate well with everyone, especially considering that the majority of people in my dormitory are Muslims and Indian students. I don't necessarily want to change who I am, but I do want to find common ground and connect with my peers.
I've observed that they engage in conversations about everyday, mundane topics, and I'd like to bridge the gap by participating in those discussions. I don't have a strong desire to be friends with everyone, but I would appreciate it if people could at least see me in a positive light and treat me with respect.
I'm open to any suggestions or advice on how I can navigate these social dynamics and improve my relationships with my fellow students.
At the very least, I'd like to learn how to engage in conversations with the friends I do have. I'm not in any of the group chats, they even stopped inviting me to stuff last week. I want to change my persona in general. I'm goofy asf but I have a "serious student" face. I'd like my persona to match my phenotype more.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
"It seems I'm not gaining the respect I'd like"
Holy moly. This thing every week. Why do people owe you respect? What for? What have you done for other people in your life?
Men who buy into the myth that 'everyone deserves respect' are just as delusional as the women that buy into the idea of 'beauty at any size' and 'all women are queens'.
We are not all special. On average, people are average. This is reality. Your ability to deal with reality is the mark of a man. Some never manage. Get busy.
UpForChange 1y ago
I would agree with this, but people in my age who have done the same things as me get the respect and friendship I want.
You're right, I'm pretty average and I do have a desire to be "that guy" aka the life of the party, the guy whose attention everyone desires male and female alike, the "cool kid". But how can average be the "alpha" as defined by TRP?
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
average is average dude. there is no formula for 'becoming a chad' and 'getting the respect and friendships' that you want.
A strong desire for respect is in itself an indicator of deep rooted issues. Why do you want respect? What for?
Do more self analysis. A man that is comfortable with himself is not out there griping about 'respect'.
UpForChange 1y ago
By "respect" I meant the typical amount colleagues have for each other. I don't want/ was talking about a Godfather level of respect.
And it's important because it is demonstrated everyday and affects others's social interactions with you.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
You say its important because it is demonstrated every day. But apparently not to you?
You're going around in circles. You seem to have a feeling of 'entitlement' to respect, and you are getting bent out of shape because none is forthcoming.
You're going to have to pull yourself together and be a man.
Problematic_Browser 1 1y ago
Before I start, I want to tell you that you're right to focus on earning the respect of other men instead of women.
You're a man. You want respect? Earn it.
Think about every man you respect. You know what they have in common? They've achieved something or overcome something. No man has ever walked into a room and screamed "respect me!" with good results.
You know what won't get you respect? Compromising yourself to fit in.
You're not getting a fucking thing from other men unless you demonstrate that you have value
UpForChange 1y ago
The men I respect are all old now. Like my grand-father who's approaching a 100 years of age soon. He is a self-made man that survived through everything. But his grind was decades before my parents had even met. I don't respect anyone at the uni. I have no role models. I can't idolise someone and "be" like them here.
Give me a roadmap to earn respect and demonstrate value.
Problematic_Browser 1 1y ago
Go accomplish something. Your mewling is the reason people around you are saying "get your annoying ass out of here, bro" - you're a man, nobody is gonna hand you shit, including a roadmap.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
You're clearly 'trying to hard'. You bring up drugs, alcohol and "gay jokes".
You need to develop hobbies and interests, and urgently. Seems like you are complaining that you can't run before you can even walk.
The best way for men to develop is probably through a mix of sports and other hobbies. Bear in mind, here is no 'one correct' answer. For some that might be table tennis, for others it could be music, could be chess club, road biking, debating society etc.
The best advice is 'don't try to be something you are not' - so, don't go joining clubs and societies that you have no actual interest in, just because you think that the 'cool' kids are doing that. I highly suspect that is what you are doing now, and the other kids pick up on that, and are ignoring you.
Do what you are interested in. For me, at college, it was squash, boxing and political groups.
The truth is that it takes years for a man to develop, to become interesting. I don't think men under 30 have much to contribute (as a general rule) - because they are not that interesting, on the whole. Men become interesting through experience, and experience that is hard won. I'd rather sit down and talk to a broke bum of 60, if that guy that has been around the world, started his own company, had 3 kids etc than some dude that is 27 and is just a few years out of college.
You need to realise the immense difference between men and women. A beautiful woman of 21 will have the world at her feet, everyone hangs on her every word. Doors open wherever she goes. Every utterance of hers is regarded as wisdom of the ages.
Its not like that for men.
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UpForChange 1y ago
Hi, I am pretty extroverted sometimes it even feels like I am on the spectrum. Often, I say too much but in my head I'm thinking "I'm making small talk" turns out some things I have said have weirded people out and most times I say nothing of value, I don't add to the mood rarely I subtract the vibes and of course often times the same conversations have increased the vibes. So it's a mixed bag. Also, I have been informed that I am "stupid". I am not, but the directions I often lead the conversations to and some of my actions are fucking stupid I won't lie.
I have never been the class clown but I have always tried to be one, to the extent that if people were aware of just basic psychology they could classify me as a "tryhard". This has always been the case for me. I am nothing but always trying to be something that I am not. Like a really bad actor. Ofcourse, people can't put it into words but being human they get the feeling that something's off with me. Another problem is that I am morbidly obese. At this point maybe even you can tell, that my phenotype does not match my personality. My personality as well is kinda non-existent. I have no passions, no desires that are greater than my life, I don't hold anything so high in my pov that I may be identified by it. For example, you have the kids that absolutely love football/socccer, you have people that have their whole personality about weed. I am not like that. I don't even identify myself with food which is the common assumption people might have when they look at me.
I have joined a gym but it will take time. A LOT of time. I am ready to dedicate that time but I also need to get better at holding conversations and increasing my reputation within that same timeframe.
I realise that. At this point I haven't kms because "mom will be sad". Seriously, that's it.
I also, don't know how to talk to girls. I try, I always do but at this point it's like I should just shut up and ignore them than say something and take a hit to my reputation. I am not even trying to fk them. Just want to make friends.
I don't wish to escape shit. It's the media I have consumed over the years making me think that drugs are cool and all that. My eagerness is purely conversational. Again small talk of a tryhard wannabe.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Okay, i do drink alcohol (been cutting way back) but i don't like talking to guys that do drugs. That's just a personal nope for me. I keep a 10 foot pole between myself and drug users
You're not going to "navigate that" if people hate drugs. Possibly if your personality and social value offsets it but i personally can't deal with them so i don't give dudes like that a chance in my personal life. Beggars can't be choosers. If you don't want to change then you'll have to find people that also like that taboo stuff
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UpForChange 1y ago
Hey man, I was going through the sidebar and I noticed all the links are reddit links. It's difficult to access for people who have quit reddit fully and don't want things like their IP and DNS tracked through cookies. Also, it's not compatible with privacy oriented browsers since the main sub is quarantined.
I wanted to suggest that all the links be replaced with redirects to redpillarchive links. It would take less than an hour to do this successfully.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Which side bar? Link it
And replace www. With old. On reddit links to skip quarantine
UpForChange 1y ago
I don't do drugs. It's the idea that drugs are cool that I have consumed over the years that I put into my conversations.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Well then if you don't do them then just stop mentioning them
I don't understand why you said you are not wanting to change who you are but don't even do the things you talk about. This just sounds like complete stubbornness to sacrifice independence for mutual social cohesion
UpForChange 1y ago
It is exactly that. The people I am surrounded with are the "cool kids". They've all done drugs and have been drinking alcohol for years. Me on the other hand, I had my first sip of alcohol a month ago and my first smoke of weed 3 weeks ago. I am trying hard to fit in and it shows. I am afraid that if I don't try i will be "shunned".
I am aware of my mentality. I have done lots of self discoveries in the last 2 years. I want to be the "cool kid". It is an innate desire that stems from my insecurities. But funny enough those insecurities can be addressed with real world change like getting jacked and getting better at talking. And these things will also bring me closer to being me and being the trp version of "alpha". So, there really is no cure to these insecurities except real world change.
I have been a therapist to myself for a while now. I can answer any questions about my mentality.
UpForChange 1y ago
I just saw your profile. I hope I am not being an askhole lmao.
I also need advice on texting. No one replies when I text in the gc. I am not in any of the secret gcs and there are already so many.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
You're not being an askhole
There was a specific user that pushed me to committing to make a super thread of 69 askhole memes and substantially reducing my involvement her in askTRP besides moderating
UpForChange 1y ago
I see. Tbh I was kinda surprised that I even got a response to my question since it has a loser tone. I remember when r/asktrp was at it's peak. It was riddled with losers. I was chilling back then as a 14yo because I had decent friends. Now, I am totally alone, trying too hard to get invited to events and such.
There is even a club night this weekend. I'll go and I'm sure it will be decent fun. But there will definitely also be a pre-game. No one has invited me yet. I can ask one of the guys that is hosting it to invite me as well but that will be so desperate.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
It's not hard to make friends. You basically just have to amicable and NOT turn anyone off or being needy or both. The more interesting you are the better but even if you only have positive one liners here and there and polite you'll generally make friends at baseline.
If you're not making friends amongst at least medium-quality men then you are more than likely doing things that actively turn people off
UpForChange 1y ago
I realize that I am turning them off but I cant' pinpoint what statements of mine are turning them off. The ones I am able to recognize I don't know how to correct. The ones I am able to correct are with people who completely ignore me now.
For example, I once complimented this guy's delts. All the guys were collectively weirded out and thought I was overly gay / creepy (I found out about this reaction a couple weeks after it happened).
Another instance was of a girl that made pasta and was kind enough to share an entire plate with me. I should've complimented her cooking and ate it up even if it was trash. But she asked me to be completely honest and my autistic ass told her the truth that the pasta was trash. Now she doesn't even recognize that I am in the room.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Hey man nice delts: gay
Yo, how long did it take you to get those delt results: complimented question
Trash: bad
Identify 2-3 possible improvents and tell her: useful
You know the answer to your own question. You are saying things that are not socially anticipated in normal convo, not following social contracts and ways people would generally communicate with each other
UpForChange 1y ago
Problem is, I have been lonely since COVID began. I have had limited to no interactions with others. I am sure I am aware of these social contracts somewhere in the back of my head but they don't show up at the required time because I am so out of practice. I guess I will have to keep practicing, keep getting better at holding convos and somehow try to rebuild burnt bridges after sufficient practice.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Do the same thing as an elimination diet for food but for social skills
Cut out everything except being polite and friendly and then add different elements of conversation back in to see what works and what doesn't instead of just crapping out a bunch of different things and not knowing what was hurting you
You can get by surprisingly well making friends without doing much talking
UpForChange 1y ago
You're right. I'll do that. Thanks for the chat.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
No problem
Check out my guide i posted you as well
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Obviously I was referring to illicit substances that were not alcohol. Guess i have to unnecessarily clarify that to readers in the future
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
This is one of the fastest way to get me to stop engaging with someone
I don't like illicit drugs, which have wildly different and notable effects on people compared to alcohol. I do not like the way hard drugs affect people's behavior, in ways alcohol does notits not hypocrisy but you are pissing me off into not wanting to interact with you
If you keep focusing on semantics over substance I'm just going to check out. I don't have any appetite for semantic games
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
What are you talking about? That was typo or other people focusing on specific words of you and your therapist. What the fuck are you talking about?
Dude I'm just gonna check out of talking to responding to you why the fuck are you criticizing my PREFERENCES.
Alcohol is not in the same classification of substanced as weed or hard drugs. NyQuil is a drug but would you lump it into other substances? No. One substance doesn't have the same effect of another unrelated substance.
Why the hell are you treating every substance the same when they are not just because they are substances?
I don't like Papayas but are we going to argue that i am a hypocrite for liking mangos because they are both fruits
Jesus fuck mate. I don't have any stomach for this. Bye
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
They are not the same as eachother. How dense do you have to be to not understand that different drugs do different things. Ofc alcohol is a drug. Only a stubborn idiot would focus this damn hard on the strictest most semantic possible interpretation of the word drug instead of the generally used street version of the word
Holy hell man. No wonder people in your life don't stick around much.
I didn't fuck up. Any person not looking to score Internet points for being literal would have taken the street interpretation of my word not the literal god damn definition of drug
I didn't even mention cannabis
Dude I'm tired of responding to you. Go help yourself. Don't DM me for any more help
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I'm done responding to you for anything that doesn't have to do with moderation.
Stop being an insufferable asshole on this site
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I'm not making an insane response, I cannot stand trying to have a casual thread with somebody who is more autistic about semantics than a literal autist would be
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
There is zero hypocrisy. By "drugs" i meant of the stereotypical street variety. You took that to a ridiculous semantic extreme to the mirriam Webster textbook definition, which I wasn't using
I don't mind how people act on alcohol unless it's over the top. I do however mind how people act on cocaine, acid, and other tablet/powder form drugs. I also struggle to deal with people high off their ass from weed.
To call me a hypocrite for being able to tolerate people's behavior on a depressant but not being able to tolerate or prefer people's behavior on other other substances with clearly different classifications of substance type and effe t on the brain and body, is fucking retarded.
Alcohol affects people differently than other substances. I do not enjoy how people act on other substances, I have been around it and i don't like it. I don't like cigs or weed either, it reeks and bothers my nose.
I didn't say anything about viewing them below me, i don't like the experiences I've had with people on those substances. You are in insufferable prick in this thread by hyperfocusing on the word drug and not anything else to do with with substance classifcation. I have a psych degree, these are clearly different substances. I'm not an idiot but you are focusing way too fucking hard on things I'm not even focused on such as the word "drug"
Fucks sake. I'm not responding to anything more you say unless it's a mod thing.
I did. You didn't like that I was speaking in casual fucking conversation tone instead of literal scientific specificities.
I tried to clarify it and you argued harder. I'm done. I don't need you nor this in my user experience. I'm more than fine with ignoring your comments etc from here on out as a user
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
How come 85+% of people would have been able to decipher what i meant.
Take care
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