I struggle with niceness when opening a girl. My blue pill conditioning was reinforced growing up at home(single working mom, two older whore sisters, and my grandma), school and everyone I befriended.
I tend to subconsciously force myself to be nice when opening women. The niceness takes away from my manhood and masculinity. I live in a very harsh society to begin with. Everyone here has mental health issues, which give me anxiety to interact with anyone.
I literally saw a guy the other day on a Vespa, who said something to a girl very quickly while passing by her. She literally kept looking at him driving away. He looked back to check her reaction, and she was smiling and waved at him. He stopped in the middle of the street with his friends who were riding other Vespas then he (weirdly) sent his friends to go tell her something. I assume they wanted her to come with them on one of the Vespas, but she refused, and they drove off. The guy was ordinary looking, with a full beard and head full of hair. Nothing special. His demeanor is what stood out. Masculine and bold..
I’m still deeply conditioned that I MUST be nice when opening women and approaching them to get a positive reaction. Even though I approached a few girls yesterday in different locations and all of them reacted neutrally to me opening them with a slight smirk or neutral face.
I was raised my whole life to please women, even though women DESPISE men who please them. They LOVE the guy who treats them like shit or at least like a normal human.
Any anecdotal experience with this issue?Suggestions?
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 1y ago
Not much of exp w this other than being a bit too nice w girls I’m fucking in the sense of find it difficult to say no/to kick them out after sex.
I would however say reread the sidebar. A lot of the sidebar addresses this issue.
You mentioned you’re so nice that you leave your masculine frame. Need to just force yourself; fake it till you make it as they say.
Much like learning how to talk to/open girls, you’ve got to train yourself to stop being such a nice guy in your interactions. That’s something only you can do. Whenever you catch yourself being overly nice stop yourself. Overtime it’ll become second nature trust
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financehardo420 Should i (x1) 1y ago
Finally got it removed :)
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
He earned it off of his name
Problematic_Browser 1 1y ago
Just treat them like you treat men.
I'm a nice guy, but I'm nice to everyone. Women don't mind that. It's when you're nice to women because they're women that they find unattractive. Women hate simpering men.
Einsamer 1y ago
This. It's when they see that you treat them special that they start to see you as a beta.
I often evalulate myself in those terms afterwards to see if I made mistakes and lost frame - I think if I would have behaved differently towards a random but interesting dude. If the answer is yes, then I usually messed something up and might have come across needy.
timmytaliban 1y ago
What exactly do you mean by having to be “nice” with women? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like “being nice = not being sexual” or something along those lines.
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timmytaliban 1y ago
These are all things that will come with time as you learn to hold your frame in all aspects of your life, not just when it comes to women.
By being sexual, I mean being clear with your intentions - but most importantly sticking to them.
Have you ever read of the Beta Male covert-contract strategy? Like being nice, acting like a friend, etc to just try and maybe get some pussy?
The way you explained your situation is that you are trying to be more assertive/sticking to your intentions, but falling back to that strategy.
You don’t have to. You just have to stick with that being your only end goal, and not being afraid to walk away if its not going in the right direction.
AbusiveFather1 1y ago
well i think opening up with a jab+cross instead will make you seem less beta. add in a low kick for good measure and you'll probably cement your alpha status