What’s most confusing is that 2/3 of them gave me their last names. I handed them my phone and told them to put their number in, so it was entirely their decision to put their last name in.
I texted them something sort of bland because I was trying to start with something neutral. Should I never contact any of them again?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
You may have played it too safe and need to sound a bit more exciting than that
The other thing that your actual game needs to be better in the moment. Need to give them more of a reason to contact you later. If you were just an ordinary bar guy (at least that's how you blended in if your game wasn't exceptional) then you are also going to blend in like any other dude buzzing their phone
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Natural texting progession dude. Don't follow up a ghost with plans unless you truly just want to YOLO
save YOLOs for when you are done seriously trying without any other strategy left
I never YOLO when I think a brief text exchange would likely do the job instead. YOLO texts are for when you're completely ready to be done
Strategy and abundance are two different things. I'm not saying don't have abundance by YOLOing. I'm just saying don't YOLO where some other brief exchange would do far better. Obviously don't move to the ends of the earth as a strategy either
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User4566 2y ago
Your #1 priority should be to move to a more populated area.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Trust me night game can have an extremely powerful effect. You just have to exercise your venue choices and game at said venues in a manner that makes you unforgettable and not easy to pass up
OP still needs to learn how to maximize his success at night game
But yes, OP should also branch out/improve other avenues of meeting women
Einsamer 2y ago
"just" though...
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
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Einsamer 2y ago
You make that sound so easy, but I think for the majority that's impossible to pull off even if they tryhard.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
I didn't say it was easy. It took me over a year and a half to develop those skills
Some of you guys read way too far into comments where the text is not written
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Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
This is because the focus of your efforts was on 'getting the digits'. I should really do a post on that issue.
A lot of younger men seem to have pivoted away from focusing on the smash, and over towards getting the number from a girl. What used to be a step on the journey has now become the actual goal. I think it has to do with "real time conversation anxiety".
Years ago, I was reading up about social anxiety, and the author was mentioning about how millenials prefer to text and message rather than talk, because it is less 'risky'. In text, you can scroll back and forth before you hit send. You can check other things, like message history for context. After years of this, IRL conversations become anxiety making, because there is no back button, no delete and no re-writes allowed.
So guys end up cruising around, asking for numbers. The number is now the goal. As soon as the guy gets the number, he stops gaming, and goes away. No shag for him. Then he starts up wiht the texting back and forth.
Mean while, a similar but parallel development with the women - they are basically all SM addicted. And the text game is very much like the SM game - women love to have loads of orbiters making their phone go bing. That's really what they want. So they hand out their mobile number all over town. They don't care who gets it, because texting is safe and fun for them. The love having about 20 guys on the go, texting and giving them validation and attention.
Is this what has happened to you? You got 3 numbers but no shags in one night?
Forget about the number. The number is not the prize.
redhawkes 2 2y ago
This is on point. Number close should be the last option after you tried to escalate or the logistics was fucked up.
Always be closing.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
I would actually almost be reluctant to give out numbers. I would always focus on closing that very night.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Understand that numbers don't mean anything.
Ideally the girl likes you, wants to see you again...... you said "Cool, we should go do X cool thing sometime", she says awesome, you ask if she's free next Saturday, and you swap numbers as an easy way to make it happen.
Any which way, after you get a number, text her "Hey girl, hope you got home safe".
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
why focus on a future event? If you out gaming, you should be focused on that night. I don't understand guys that want to game to set up other appointments? If you are out in bars and pubs and the girls are dressed up, they are looking for a shag. THey are not looking to meet a guy to make an appointment for next saturday.
This is where young guys are going wrong. You need to focus on closing THAT VERY NIGHT. They want it, you want it....what's with the delay?
Gaming is about getting a shag that night, not getting appointments for next week that may or may not result in a more dates etc etc.
What has happened to young men? Are they not interested in fucking young women any more?
koedeloe123 2y ago
I agree with what you said. You should definitely focus on that very night. I always did this, had one night stands, and it worked out for me. I have a friend who goes out and tries to get as many numbers as possible. He sometimes gets 4 numbers or more a night. Flirts a bit with them, then heads to another bar/clubs and does it again there.
I've seen him hit up all of those girls during the next week. He sometimes has up to 3-4 dates a day, and has good results from this. I think he fucks 1-2 new girls a week on average.
I've tried both approaches and both of them work fine. Closing the same night is better in most cases. But just getting some numbers, then having fun with your friends is more rewarding in some way. Then, when you have a spot free during the week, you can hit up multiple girls to see who's down to hangout. But it has it bad sides too. Most girls will barely remember you, because the interaction is short, or she could have met another guy that same night.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
another reason why they barely remember you is because they were handing out their number all night long to 'number hunters' and then when home with a guy that actually wanted to close the deal. Why should she remember you?
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Agreed.
Future event or tonight...... either way, numbers mean nothing in and of themselves.
they don't think a same night event is possible.
In many / most cases they are looking for attention. That's why they go to loud places where interactions that could lead to sex are virtually impossible.
They are, but they don't know how to do it.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
"they don't think a same night event is possible."
then they are very much mistaken. The reason women go out to bars and clubs is to look of sex. Guys going around collecting numbers is beyond retarded.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Fake numbers or low interest. Delete and move on. Try to establish interest before getting a number. This is part of the Invest step in London day game. Basically she should be asking questions about you so that you know she is putting in effort. Open->Stack->Vibe->Invest->Close.
At any rate you're ahead of 90% of guys. You're talking to women.