So I am a pretty attractive guy in my college. Tall, good looking face and lean with a little muscle. I have not had much success when it comes to getting laid because of my confidence as I regularly get IOIs. There is this girl that has ran into on three occasions. She approached me on the first occasion and I ran into her twice after that. All the conversations were pretty much small talk. However she was always hinting at wanting me to come to her room but I deliberately played dumb and just blew her off. On the final occasion she pretty much begged me to come to her room but I blew her off again. The only problem as you guys have guessed is that she is ugly. My only problem with fucking her is she may tell a lot of people. What do you guys think?
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drkb 2y ago
Reputation in the eyes of whom? I personally view guys who fuck/are with ugly chicks as pathetic. So do my peers. If I brought an ugky chick to the golf course I could never shiw my face there again.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Absolutely not.
Women are not turned off by guys that bang average or below average chicks. They are only turned off by guys that don't bang lots of chicks (what they call incels). Low body count on a guy is what disgusts women.
The guys on this platform that think you can damage your SMV by banging chicks that are lower in SMV than you...this is just silly. Turning down women because they are too low value is bascially feminine and beta. When you let a bull into a field of cows, it fucks all the cows. Every single one. That is natural. Being picky and fussy is what women do...don't do that.
If you are in college, fuck as many women as possible. Never say no to a shag. The girls will gossip, and bitch about you being 'a playa' and a 'terrible guy, that plays with womens feelings'. You'll get a 'bad reputation' as a guy that just 'gets what he wants, and then dumps them'.
This is free advertising. Once you get a reputation as a pussy slayer, your well will never run dry.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
The contention here wasn't about lower SMV than you girls here (which is just hypergamy), or even average women, it was about uggos
I've just the fuck out of certain guys for taking home an uggo. I've also seen girls question it
The difference is whether you're fucking uggos without anyone's knowing versus everyone seeing what and who you did
I've seen plenty of times a man's value get reduced to "ha see Jimmy can't get laid" he's with some chubby AF broad
It's relative. If I see 5 cute women hanging around a guy and he fucks the fatty or uggo I know myself and everyone else will view it as a reflection of low self worth
If no one one knows which girls that's a different story for abundance etc. For places in which people "KNOW" you banged an uggo, it doesn't make you more attractive
Again, the post was specific about ugly women. Some. That you'd have to swallow your pride to fuck. Unless completely anonymous people judge.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
If you can get a hard on for a woman, bang her. Listen to your dick. If he is hard and wants to party, then she's not uggo.
If she were really uggo, there would be no wood.
Listen to your dick, not to your friends. Your dick is your closest friend.
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Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
anyways .....- I said 'listen to your dick' -
Your dick will never say 'I want to bang lizzo'.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Hi IBITF - good to see you again.
Your argument falls down on a few levels
But seriously, you cannot use celebrity guys as some sort of comparison. Being a celebrity guys is so unlike being a regular guy that it just doesn't equate. If you are an ok looking celebrity guy, you can just sit on the sidewalk, shit and piss in your pants and there will be a line of girls that want to come home with you. It requires no skill at all. He can just walk into a bar in sweatpants, and 15 hotties will fight for the right to go home with him. Then he can order them to kneel down while he pees on their face.
You are and I are not Drake. It takes work, skill, effort and game to get pussy. Therefore, the more pussy we score, the more women respect and admire us. Its the precise opposite of what we look for in a woman - men prefer women that are not sluts. Women ONLY want mega-slut men.
If you don't believe me, you are not listening to what they are saying. The worst insult a woman can level at a man is 'incel', literally a man that cannot slay pussy. Nothing dries the panties more than virginity in a man. If you had two men on offer, one was a convicted murdered and a long history of domestic violence and other criminal offences but a body count of 400 and the other was a guy in his mid 20s that was a virgin, they will always pick the convicted murderer with the high body count.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Late reply, but
I don't know if anyone touched on it but here is my take
If you can't even get turned on enough tonget hard for the uggo you're trying to fuck (for God knows why) then why would anyone else respect you for it?
I think OP was asking about genuine uggos. If you can't even complete or start the deed because she's so fugly, and you're the one getting laid for the night, surely that is what kther people feel too when they're not even the one getting laid and seeing you take off with her. If she gives you the ick she gives everyone watching it the ick too. Not seeing how this benefits the guy if he himself can't even get it up from her low value
Now. If we're talking below average but not "uggo" which I think OP seriously just means genuinely unarousing women, not just below average, then if we're talking just below average, it depends
If you feel abundance from fucking low average chicks and that helps you game hotter women than whatever.
However*
If everyone knows about it, and they also know you COULD do a lot better, and women who WOULD otherwise fuck you if you went for them see you going for girls far less attractive, then socially, in plain view of everyone, makes it obvious you can't do better, in contrast to hotter and willing options
You have to take in consideration what people perceive to be a man's available and willing choices and if he's shooting way lower than that, looks like he's not worth what people think he can get
If HB7-8 women are giving a dude attention, and he pulls a 4, that doesn't help him at all. That makes him look broken or like that's all he can get, relative to the hotter women people see him having access to.
Now if no one knows you have a roster of 4s, and it helps you get the 8 via abundance. That's a different story. But people who see it know it.
It's all relative but yes it would hurt you relative to what people anticipate you could achieve
Edit: too tired to fix my typos
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
but why would you be trying to bang a chick that you didn't get a boner for?
I think you can tell from OPs question that HE wants to bang the chick, its just that he is worried that his social circle will think less of him if he bangs her.
My point is this- if you want to bang a chick (and she wants you to bang her) then you should 100% bang her. Worrying what other people might think is beta and feminine.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
It sounds like she's not butt ugly if he can get hard for her.
But he also sounds like he has no options, so he probably needs it
Again he's worried she will tell people, and if she really is ugly it depends on whether the people she'd tell think he can do better
The problem here is that if it actually hurts your SMV then how is worrying about a legit social and sexual consequence feminine and beta?
It's feminine and beta to worry about stuff that doesn't effect you much
We don't know what OPs social situation is since he neglected to tell us
If women at my venue saw me take an uggo home or found out it would hurt my rep. If OP has a small social circle it could hurt more than a medium sized one. We don't know OPs situation
nicknack 2y ago
No it won’t. It’ll only help. Women like to see that you have fucked other women tin the social circle so that they know that you’re not a crazy, serial killer, or weirdo. It’s like letting someone else in the tribe try the new strange fruit first to see if it’s edible.
It’ll only hurt your SMV if you long term relationship her and treat her like she’s better than you. Because that makes you seem low value.
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
Yes, you're right - she absolutely will tell everyone that would listen; if you're higher SMV than her, which it seems that you are, she has nothing to lose and everything to gain from this interaction.
I don't have too much understanding of this specific situation, so you might want to go with Nicknack's advice, but here's a story from my personal experience: in college, I used to date this gorgeous girl, probably the best looker in my year. I was basically untouchable to other chicks; for lack of a better word - they knew their place. Every girl would help me with homework in exchange for being seen having a conversation with me. When we eventually broke up, there was nobody else as good looking as my ex, so obviously I started dating girls of a lower SMV and closer to the college average; this is when girls started being cunts to me and acting like hot shit - you see, in their minds, the powers that be finally brought me down to their level. But the thing is, it was I who did that; had I refrained from dating girls of a lower quality than my ex, or at least practiced discretion, I would still be seen as top dog - I would be seen as a guy that would rather be celibate than to deal with second-rate pussy just to get his dick wet.
PS: my SMV didn't drop and only got higher throughout college, i.e. this wasn't the reason for the break-up (it was my refusal to take things to the next level with her), i didn't start to lose my touch and get out of shape, and so on - which would obviously explain girls starting to act like cunts to me.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
basically yes.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
@forsorn21
Pretty much yeah. If it's in social group and you pump and ghost it will fuck you over.
Contrary to what other users have said whenever I see my reasonable SMV friends with an uggo everyone says "why is he with her"
Not a good look and despite getting sex makes it look like you actually can't do better, especially if you have other more attractive options to choose from
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Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Everyone is gaming the hotties. Seriously, hypergamy works both ways. The slutty barbie dolls sitting at the bar at the club? 80% of men are chasing those bitches. that is why the are able to behave so entitled.
As a young man, do you want action? or do you want to pander to entitlement princess that demands you have a Lambo to even talk to her? You're not going to bang them.
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Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
this is way. "What's not fine is fucking nobody" - wasting hundreds of hours on chasing 'hotties and baddies' and dealing with IG and texting shite from this drek is a waste of time. It's far better to invest that time actually fucking chicks.
Pilots don't learn on 747s. They gain experience and condidence on smaller planes first.
We've got a generation of young men, that grew up on porn, that are flat our refusing to bang average chicks. And these guys are average themselves!!!
No wonder they have such low body counts.
No-Stress-Cat 2y ago
Is like a Pokemon. Gotta poke 'em all. Ugly chicks are great. Nobody gives a shit about them, and they're super appreciative of your attention. If you want to bang all the hot chicks in a girl group, start with the ugliest one and work your way up.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
This guys gets it.
In the end, you cannot fake an abundance mindset and outcome independence. You have to earn it. If you're not smashing high volumes, you are not a chad. Its as simple as that. Average looking chicks are easier to smash, and quite a few of them are fantastic in bed. They know that you are well out of their league so they will do everything - they are really keen on a repeat performance, so they'll treat you great.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
I think you all forgot what 'Alpha' actually means. It means 'the guy that smashes all the chicks'.
Seriously, have a look at some nature programs. Pay close attention to the study of complex mammals. Like Lions, wolves or monkeys. The 'Alpha' of the group is the male that is in charge. Only he gets to smash all the ladies. The other males are the betas. They are not allowed to have sex with any of the females.
The Alpha of a group smashes ALL of the chicks. NOT only the good looking ones. A lion, wolf or monkey never says "Nah, I'm not going to smash that one, I don't like her hair, and besides, her politics are horrible, she is the wrong star sign etc".
Being picky and worrying about your reputation is beta and feminine. Smash all the chicks you can. Never turn down a smash. Never.
forsorn21 2y ago
@Lone_Ranger Would it be a problem if I just hit it once and never see her again?
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Absolutely not. Hit it and quit it.
What are you worried about? Seriously, quit worrying about what other people will think of you (that is what women do, its beta and feminine). If you have a hard on for a girl, go for it. Your dick will tell you which girls are worth boning. Ignore what others say.
if a girl is attractive to you, but you think that 'society' will think that she isn't hot, all the better. She will look favourably on your advance.
I've banged loads of chicks that were well below me in SMV. Most of them were. That is how the sexual market place works - women will only bang men that are higher in SMV that they are, so you have to use logic here - it means that you are most likely going to have success with women that are beneath you in SMV.
You can sit around complaining about that fact, jerking off to porn in your basement, or you can get on your horse and go out campaigning. banging below average chicks gives you experience and sharpens your game.
A girl doesn't need to be a 'hottie'. She just needs to appeal to you.