I read a great post some time ago on that basically said "Keep pushing until you get a hard rejection". Better to get a rejection than wonder for the next year 'What if'.

(Example from last night) Went on date with girl. Went well. She wants to go out, we meet up with her friends and mine. 3AM still dancing at some nightclub, she's grinding on my dick, touching my face, chest arms etc. Clearly into me despite calling me an arrogant asshole earlier that night. But I get the 'I don't make out in public' when trying to make a move. Later followed up by 'I know you want to fuck me, but I'm not like that on the first date' blah blah ofc I didn't believe a thing she was saying, but I found my RP toolbox wasn't equipped for these shit tests. And it's something I've struggled with more lately, in scenarios similar to this. FYI A friend of mine set up this date. I thought it should've been abundantly clear this was just 'for fun' since I live a 90min drive away, and I don't think she's retarded enough to think there might be second dates. So I'm thinking she was dtf at some level prior to meeting up and also at the moment itself, but I just didn't find the right way to play it.

My question is, if I sense LMR how much more time should I be willing to invest and how direct of an approach should my final attempt be? I'm not giving up after 1 soft no because I know these bitches get self-conscious and stupid, but what about after 2 or 3? Should you ever after like 2 soft no's from her side go 'Look, I want to fuck you, if it's not going to happen tonight just tell me right now, so we can enjoy the rest of our night without hard feelings (at which point I'm getting tf out obviously if she says no). Or is this too much of a gambit? Like I understand by being that blunt I might ruin a chance I had with a few girls, but on the other hand I think it will save so much time that otherwise would be wasted on a girl who had her mind made up already and was just using me for entertainment/validation.

If a girl is into you and makes it abundantly clear, low or no ASD/LMR at all, it's smooth sailing. Even with minor or medium ASD/LMR I know what to do and have had success where a majority of guys would've fumbled. But high LMR I just don't know what to do with, and choke.

I actually have a (good-looking) friend who will almost literally tell girls within 10 min of meeting them he wants to fuck them if he senses rapport, he just gambits that shit. And if they reject him, he just goes to the next girl... Never goes home alone. Obviously, it will lower your batting average and is a poor strategy if you want to go for a specific girl, but he always gets results.

Btw, I'm entirely aware this is only an issue because my abundance isn't where it could be yet. If I had 2 other girls there wanting to fuck me, I wouldn't have given this chick a second thought. So although that's the main priority, I still want to know how to handle high LMR because it will increase my results even further.