So any girl under 24 right now seems to be completely autistic. Millennial hoes never went full retard.
They seem to go out of their way to crush any good-looking/chad/cocky guy way of flirting or approaching them. Majority of them seem totally disinterested. You are either 45yr old sugar daddy who pays them for sex basically, or you are nothing to them.
What is your experience with them? I feel like many trp/game principles do not apply to them because they seem literally brainwashed or mentally programmed to trigger the fuck out at you. Not to mention the fucking talking topics like astrology, pseudo-psychology, basically any plausible deniability of them assuming that something is wrong with them or that they are just whores.
FYI, I am not angry or something, just purely curious. I'm not looking for high quality in these girls, only FWBs.
I'd like to hear guys under 30-35 experience with them, because guys here that are 40+ are so fucking out of touch with the new generation and their ways, and also with the marketplace right now, that they just assume that everyone was and is like gen X, because they are the boomers v2.
I feel like writing a completely separate sidebar/trp guide to deal explicitly with gen Z lol.
PrisonnierDuGingoa 2y ago
That has not been my experience at all: the more experience I have with women, the more I realize trp is right. Everytime I thought some women were special and redpill principles did not apply, down the line they all ended up behaving exactly like trp predicted.
Trp is based on evolutionary behaviorism and biological principles. You can't overwrite hundred of thousands of years of conditioning within a few generations. Men and women are just wired to act a certain way, whether they're aware or not.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 2y ago
(I'd like to hear guys under 30-35 experience with them, because guys here that are 40+ are so fucking out of touch with the new generation and their ways, and also with the marketplace right now, that they just assume that everyone was and is like gen X, because they are the boomers v2).
Well, I guess I'm one of those 40+ guys so fucking out of touch, but here's my observations anyway.
Girls under 24, are very much like the girls I interacted with years ago. I will admit , it's worse.
The social media is probably what makes it worse, they get attention all the time and they can go on Tinder and hook up with a top looking guy any time they want. We didn't have that in my day.
I think most girls today are like the girls in my day. Sure, they want to be hoe's but they want a type of relationship/situationship, Which makes them feel good and not feel like such a hoe, gee, I let him use me like a sex toy, but hey he was my BF. Well dear, you got part of it correct.
Girls have more options today, keep up or give up. That's the TRP way.
I look at it as there's so many soy boy's out there at that age, you don't have a lot of competition.
Oh, and with regards to how the market is for geriatric people?
So, I look late 30's to 50's. Guess what. Most women are looking for relationships, looking for a LTR. But they also say (open to a STR).
guess what that means?
They want a LTR, but if a hot guy hits me up, well, a girls gotta have fun you know.
doesn't change much
User4566 2y ago
I had better experiences talking to them in person.
RedPirate751 2y ago
I'd offer advice, but apparently I'm old and out of touch that I've never had to deal with difficult women before!
Solve it yourself and get fucked, lol.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
This is asktrp.
Help or shut the fuck up.
nicknack 2y ago
Ive had nice gen z girls blow me off without so much as asking for a kiss after or yet alone a date. And they swallowed. Doesnt sound like girls who hate men to me.
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nicknack 2y ago
Yeah sorry I kind of have forgotten slang getting older and living mostly in Europe for the last half decade. Online dating is for meeting the bottom of the barrel women, I hate to say it, and no offense to anyone who met their wife there, but things are worse than ever in OLD anyway. Girls I meet online I treat like sluts which is what they want anyway.
I’m talking about meeting girls in real life. They are so much more interested, kinder and down for whatever if you get them irl. Much higher quality too. Looks wise, morals, class everything.
Women have 1000s of options at any given moment without OLD, what kind of women needs OLD let’s be real.
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Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
This. It seems that OLD has degenerated into a dopamine mining game for low quality modern women. Its like minecraft, but for retarded hoes that have aged out of the IRL dating world and miss the CC. They sit there eating pringles, cashing welfare checks and saying 'no - he's disgusting, he's not even 6 foot tall'.
So just get off your damn phone and get into IRL.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Yes, they hate men. I'm GenX and raising 2 Zoomers. You need to understand the rat utopia experiment to understand what's happening. We created utopia for women with social media, abortion, birth control, simp attention/money, modern appliances, welfare, child support, alimony, etc. Now they're acting exactly as predicted in the experiment. They get with the alphas, get pumped and dumped, neglect their offspring, and then forget how to reproduce.
GenZ is the neglected offspring that doesn't know how to reproduce. The guys are soy boys and the girls are living in a fantasy instagram world. Mike Sartain found a hack that works. You basically use their own fantasy against them. You make a fake instagram account that shows you have this amazing lifestyle. The girls fall for the lifestyle. You follow 200 high value men and 2000 hot women. Some of them follow you back. Now you have social proof and preselection. The girls start slipping into your DMs or you slip into theirs.
The rest is all red pill 101. Now, here's what happens to guys like you. You start getting all this pussy until one day you realize they hate you and you hate them and they hate themselves. Then you develop self respect enough to get your passport and go where you're treated best and women don't hate men. You find a woman who knows how to reproduce and has enough self respect to not put pussy pics all over the internet and chase fuckboys. Then you have kids and the hoes die alone. Then you raise your sons to not be soy boys and your daughters to not be hoes.
RedPirate751 2y ago
This quote perfectly describes the end state of the modern Western male experience.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Yeah, but I forgot to add the part where you laugh at them on WAATGM after they splat against The Wall as you enjoy your fit, feminine, friendly, submissive foreign wife and eat her gourmet cooking and spend time with your well raised kids. Damn that would make a great painting by Norman Rockwell.
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
Brilliant
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
"You start getting all this pussy until one day you realize they hate you and you hate them and they hate themselves."
everyone gets tired of the CC in the end. We all knew it was damaging for women, but its also damaging for men.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
I prefer to think of it as growing up into ultimate manhood. We want to conquer. After that we want a legacy.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Maybe the only useful thing about a few years on the pussy carousel is that you learn that women are (mostly) all the same, to a degree. It cures you (to some extent) of oneitis, which is a terrible condition that enslaves men and impoverishes them.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Yeah, that's a skill that is sorely needed in this post-modern era.
Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
It's wild that you're cutting out men 40+ when we're the ones out here killing it with women in your demographic.
But you seem to have it figured out, so good luck.
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
What advice would you give to guys in their mis 20s to improve their chances with younger girls; something that we don’t do enough of?
Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
Nothing you can do outside of get your muscle right. You're not beating my demographic on money or experience so that's your only way to win
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
What advice? get off your fucking phone and relate to people in IRL - talk to women like they are humans. Don't get lost in 'game' because it comes across as autistic incel desperation (for an example of how NOT to do it, just have a peek at 'London day game' on youtube.
Another bit of advice - stop turning your nose up at 5s. A 5 is average. If fucking a 5 isn't interesting to you, then there is something wrong with you, prolly you spent too much time looking at porn. I often see young guys moaning about the lack of pussy, and then they'll see some perfectly ordinary girl and go 'shes disgusting man'. And the guys themselves are 5s!
Us older guys would walk a mile to fuck a 4, even a 3. We put the work in. We fucked a lot of ordinary girls. That's how you build confidence. You can't imagine an abundance mindset, you build it. The amount of young guys I see holding out for 10 is insane. If you're young broke guy, forget all about 10s.
Also, just accept that young men have always had it hard. that is why they did things like join the army. Things don't get handed to you on a plate.
Janus 2y ago
We can’t compete money wise but money isn’t really considered attractive(alpha) to women generally speaking its more comforting(beta) and you can create a good experience without have to spend alot of money. Young guys like us need to think like hunters to solve this issue.
First, we need to find places where the girls we like gather regularly then approach them and close them. Bars and clubs are fine but typically you’re competing with a lot of other guys so us approaching isn’t going to make us stand out so our environment can be working against us in that case. Try cafés and other seat yourself down type places. Approaching there will make you stand out in a good way so long as you’re not autistic about it and limit the close time to 10-20mins. Use OLD but think of OLD more as a passive source of lead generation as opposed to the main source. Your OLD success is more of lagging indicator of how much your self investment efforts are going to return.
Second improve your game, appearance, and logistics. Girls our age typically mainly care about our attractive behaviors(alpha) so increasing those will help massively in getting girls our age to sleep with us. If you’re able to secure a date with a girl your already 60% of the way to sleeping with her. The biggest issue is logistics because it’s not just having a place to fuck it’s also the place you have have date at, what vibe you’re trying to create with the date location, and how your going to make the environment work in your favor. I have hard mode logistics due to living with my parents but I am going to guess you probably have an apartment to work with which makes it easier. Pre plan the encounter autistically think about parking, distance from your house/POP(Point of Penetration), how crowded is the date location, do the the staff know you, how are you moving her back to your place, is the food/drink going to make you unpleasant to kiss.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
you write "but money isn’t really considered attractive(alpha) to women generally speaking "
Oh wow. You have a lot to learn.
Janus 2y ago
If you only care about getting laid money isn’t a factor unless your lack of it mess with logistics.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Don't mean to be rude brother, but you have a LOT to learn.
Women don't want to bang wealthy dudes because of 'better logistics'.
Ibanez 2y ago
The comments are retarded because the 40+ guys got triggered by the fact that I don't want to hear their experience since they are stuck in the 2000s.
Most of you guys think that hoes the same when you were dating in 2000s or 2010s, when the redpill material emerged. You are so fucking wrong and this proves it to me, because you've never approached several 21 years old now, in real life, in 2023, to see how fucking bad this hoes are and how bad they treat guys that are good-looking, have game, good social circle and their shit together at only 24 year old like me. Nevermind the gen Z cucks that exist in my generation and are the majority.
Most women my age do not date, even for fun, old guys. They consider old 33+. I saw an idiot saying here that guys in their 40s here are killing it with my demographic. Haha. Guys in their 40s are fat/out of shape fucks and only have sugar daddy game. If you consider that "killing it", I have news for you boomer. You are paying prostitutes to sleep with your old ass. There is nothing genuine there.
You also somehow assume that there are gen Z girls who do not do OLD (including Instagram, instagram is the biggest OLD). You are simply out of your fucking mind. Every gen Z girl in real life, that you see on the street and looks innocent, also does OLD as her primary way of dating guys or girls. I don't even want to bring Onlyfans profiles into discussion.
Man this forum has become a boomer shithole. Out of date advice, techniques that do not work in 2023, same little "wisdom soundbites" that you've heard other boomers say in their books/yt videos and you keep regurgitating that shit out over and over again, without having a real life experience or applying it in RL.
I guess I'll just have to continue what I'm already doing on my own. Grind the fuck out and go out on weekends, approaching, playing the numbers game and fucking hoes and disregard any advice from boomers, until I, maybe, within a pint of luck, meet guys my age that are killing it the same way with women and have the same goals and maybe share some notes there.
cjtakk 2y ago
Lol bro did not hold back. But yeah the truth is that nowadays to be a "high value" man in gen Z girls eyes, you are going to have to up your OLD game. Meaning you put effort into portraying a fucking awesome social life on instagram. Also social circles play quite a big of a role and being "friends" with other women
AbusiveFather1 2y ago
I concur. I immigrated from Europe a little while ago and I’m sorry to say that most of young American women behave like fucking nimrods. Case in point: I was at a bar today and there were a group of immigrant women and a group of local American women - same age group but the immigrants were better looking. When I approached the Americans it was what I’d consider a social shitshow - they put on the obnoxious bitch face and acted like absolute cunts, gave their best attempt at what they consider sarcasm and cynicism and tried to sabotage the interaction at all times; my only salvation was a nice enough guy and his girlfriend that carried the conversation - the hyenas surrounding them were single, I wonder why. Maybe they expected me to entertain them and try to get past the bitch barrier, but I know what shit tests look like and this is not it nor is it normal. Next I approach the immigrant group and lo and behold they acted like actual human beings and didn’t attempt to portray me as a leper; the interaction went great, I got phone numbers, we all laughed and had a good time - all this while those salty American whores were mean-mugging me from the distance. You’d think that the immigrants were on their best behavior because they wanted something from me, but: a) they were citizens and they knew that I myself am an immigrant that arrived recently, b) they have great careers and are much better off than those American women, c) I’d say I have the same SMV as them, and have a higher SMV than the American group. I’m fucking baffled by the shit local men put up with. Absolutely fuck dating American women; it’s either dating immigrants that are not yet corrupted by the disease plaguing the locals, driving down to Mexico for a fuck, or wading through the sewer that is the local American dating market in hopes of finding a girl that is still human - and the odds of that happening are pretty damn low.
Janus 2y ago
Let me guess you watch all the dating podcasters ,read rational male, and now just want a girl in a sun hat to bake you bread. What/Whose advice are you following? Not that it matters cause you’re probably half assing it.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Gosh. What a shitshow of an angry response.
Human nature does not change over the kind of time frames you are talking about. Evolution goes over tens or hundreds of thousands of years.
Young men have always had it hard. They have always been horn dogs desperate for pussy - that is the whole reason your grandad married your grandma at such an early age - to finally get laid.
shitting on boomers (to be precise, older men who are actually your best source of honest experience) is retarded.
you want to disregard boomers and get with guys your age that are slaying it. You are the target market for snake oil salesmen who want to sell you 'the formula'.
It sounds like you are angry, because nobody has handed you the magic solution for getting more pussy.
Also, you are dead wrong about us older guys only banging prostitutes. I was broke af when I was 42(divorce) and was smashing it with girls in their 20s. Sorry to burst your bubble. Most young women (in their 20s) go through an older guy phase, and its easy to cash in on it.
Your post makes no sense - if the majority of guys in your age group are beta cucks, and you are (self reported) chad, what you worried about?
Listen - I don't think its wise to turn this into a gen z vs gen x warzone. We're all guys here and we're all trying to help.
Janus 2y ago
I am 25 honestly girls in my generation aren’t that bad most of the trp tips have really helped me a lot during college. The more Specific topics like no more Mr.Nice guy and when I say no I feel guilty really have helped me when interacting with them at work and school.
Your post is weird though. Why are girls triggering you when they talk about chick crack?
redhawkes 2 2y ago
Because the only naked women he's seen is on pornhub.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
thats funny, but lets dial it down a bit - I hate to see guys fighting each other.
redhawkes 2 2y ago
OP watches too much impotent rage porn (any podcast including dumb hoes) or fake instagram reels.
The things described in the post are common basic hoe shit. He's angry cos they don't act like an adults.
I know US is fucked on another level than Europe, but hoes are still hoes. Im almost 30, and if anything, it's way easier now, given, you have your shit together and lift like your life depends on it.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
I hear you. His post sounds really ragey....he self identifies as a chad and then rages that sluts wont put out.
In all honesty, its highly unlikely that he is a chad, because he aint gettin none!