I've gone out quite a bit the last and and this is what I saw. Dudes who are roughly 6'-6'1 that don't gym are paired with some of the hottest women. For example:
6' guy (doesn't gym) is with this hb8 who's got a great ass and face. She's also got arm and leg tats with pigtail braids the night I saw her, basically that kind of party girl. He looked 30, her late 20s.
Chubby and soft 6'1 blonde dude is coupled with this hb7.5 blonde that's got a great face. Both look around 24. I'm less certain about this one, but even a shorter 5'8 dude in a cowboy hat was with a cowgirl. Both looked 23.
These dudes are scoring way higher than what their own SMV should attract. Of course I see more hot men with hot women than average men, but it makes you wonder. Do they have money, or is their game next level?
amazonri 10mo ago Stickied
Its most definitely just right place right time... i have mannnyyy friends like this. Its basically all social circle pulls or girls they worked with at a bar or something (still social circle)
These guys are only contextual alphas which is why you see them as mid af (because they are).
Girls are very into social circles. They can ignore a stranger Chad at the club and suck off their 5/10 guy in their social circle because his ex was stacy who went out with Skyler who is his best friend and they host beerpong parties all the time and invite their friends to bonfires.
Outside of his social circle hes mid.
Red_dead 10mo ago Stickied
Its this any other answer is wrong or cope. I know si many average guys with hot girls, and yes theyre fucking. Its bc trp emphasizes cold approach that guys get their heads up their asses with smv. A well liked established guy in social circle will always do better than an outside guy. They have presselection its literally the entire basis on how frats work, its how you see ugly ass minor no name celebrities with dimes. It’s because they’re friends. A girl would rather fuck an average looks wise guy , whose high up in her immediate social circle than some random dude she knows nothing about. One is a complete gamble another is a calculated risk.
Do you want to know the biggest indicator of attraction and relationships. Its proximity, proven concept in psychology. If you’re a cool guy around hot chicks and not a pussy eventually one of them will fuck you, and odds are if you’re friends you already have a lot in common.
With cold approach you’re forcing a girl to make a snap decision so if you’re not her type or don’t demonstrate enough value its a rejection. But really she has no idea who the fuck you are.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 10mo ago
Also stickied because multidimensional
Men care about looks (to a lesser extent personality and other stuff)
Would venture to say RP men get for more important traits than that for LTR but most men are vetting for looks and some basic personality traits and getting HB8s that are probably saddled with red flags but that's besides the point
Most of these men have other things going for them, and yeah, they met these women right time and right place.
Some (key word some) probably chadded their way up the ladder, but most probably had circumstantial advantages, not just an SMV trip.
unknown39 10mo ago
Lmao
Sounds like a broke boy cope.
I know plenty of cool guys like that whose girls I’ve gotten numbers from at their own fucking party. Yeah, he had more social proof but I came in like my dad was worth $20m. Some of these cool guys even come and say their bitches were asking about me lolol
Bitches react to value whether or not you like it. They will fuck a high value guy behind doors and take the cool guy as boyfriend.
Wear a gold watch and pull up to a party like you don’t give a fuck. Assume power. No social proof needed. I’ve done this before.
Red_dead 10mo ago
All that just to fuck the same girls as the guy with a negative balance in his bank account and twice the effort lmfao.
Red_dead 10mo ago
Look up Zach Bia. Guy is best friends with drake dates models and celebrities. Looks like the kind of kid who couldn’t get into a party. Yet despite what rumors people say about him to make themselves feel better he’s an average guy who built a crazy life just on social proof and now fucks models, that most guys couldn’t get near.
unknown39 10mo ago
Also, be physically hotter than the cool guy. I promise you no bitch takes social proof over high value and good looks.
amazonri 10mo ago
Not true you didnt read my comment. They absolutely will choose social proof over an on-paper more superior Chad.
unknown39 10mo ago
I did read your comment.
Choose for what? Some bullshit relationship? Girls don’t date guys way above them—they fuck them. Quite eagerly. Then they shit on the cool guys. I’ve had girls do this with no shame. B
I was just at a party this weekend where I barely knew anyone. I was flirting with multiple girls who had bf’s. Why? I dressed better, had more charisma and spoke like I’ve travelled and seen the world unlike their regular ass boyfriends. They all had more “social proof” at this party.
Guess who got second most attention? My boy who also didn’t know anyone but was 6’5 and smooth as a motherfucker.
I literally had this Italian dime a few years ago going through a “phase” with her bf. I FaceTimed her because she sent me a sexy pic. She said “she’s with him because they have mutual friends.” AKA he’s the safe, socially viable option. Then she twirled in the mirror and asked if I liked her butt.
Don’t waste your time being a “cool guy.” Be the hot guy with personality (which usually comes when you get $$$ because you give less fucks.)
unknown39 10mo ago
The reason they ignore ”Chad” in the club is because she’s a slut if she runs off with him. But make it make sense for her and she folds: infiltrate her circle and I bet you she defers to the valuable guy.
I’ve literally pulled up to a table where I liked a girl and the guys around her were duds. One of them told me to fuck off. Smiled, ignored him and got her Instagram so we can chat “business.”
Had a girl give her number while her bf was next to her in the club. I acted “friendly.” But she knew and I knew what was really happening—we smashed a week later.
No-Stress-Cat 10mo ago
"...I heard from a friend of a friend...that that dick was a 10 out of 10..." - Doja Cat
amazonri 10mo ago
Yes if hes in a social circle with a bunch of single young 18-25 year old girls, once you fuck one of them good or get one whipped you automatically open up so many doors in that circle after the break up. These girls will know every detail about your dicks girth, stroke game, how you dirty talk, if youre vocal or not. If you do things right and the right secrets get passed around its pretty much guaranteed pussy from other girls in the circle.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 10mo ago
Stickied because yes, so much of fucking and incidentally keeping a chick is circumstantial
I plated an 8 because I approached her at the right time (she was near a huge guy and I didn't give a flying shit and she thought I was "unabashedly confident"). She was also dealing with an aggressive orbiter that might or might not have been fucking her and I was an immediate massive upgrade. She was also low key watching me improve.
She didn't give two fucks about me prior to this approach, and if anything, was turned off by me a year prior when I approached her a year earlier.
She was drunk as fuck all one night and that helped me flirt with her a fuckton, but I didn't make a move. She remembered the flirting and that I was hard to get. Then 2 months after I didn't bite she invited herself over four fucking times before I said yes
She had other opportunities but she wanted my dick because domino effect and game
It was a series of adequate dominoes and a fucking 8 invited herself over to my place 4 times before I bit and I fucked her almost immediately when she came over.
Right time right place and circumstantial bullshit is definitely a valid reason some of these dudes end up with chicks.
In this case the girl actually wasn't on her period because she got it two weeks later. But even without being horny on her period, I still right time right placed the fuck out of this absolute hottie
@imtranscending looks are a only like 1/3 max of why women go for certain guys unless they are just absolute horny sluts looking for a top SMV dude for the night
unknown39 10mo ago
How many women you been with? She a 8 but then you call her an absolute hottie?
She fucked you because you literally went back after she turned you down. That shows intent.
Girls do dumb shit on the rebound—that doesn’t mean that the best they had isn’t the baller, handsome guy or the charming Casanova motherfucker no one can pin down.
You guys are deeply deluded and I can tell by the amount of fucks you give and the level of details you go into. You worry too much about “keeping a chick.” I don’t and I still have bitches obsessed after years. I’m literally ignoring them and living my best life. I’ll call a girl a slut and she still comes back lol
I know guys just like many of the newbies here who spent so much effort on “plates.” Imagine the time and mental energy. The real players fuck and move on. They don’t double approach the same bitch and analyze it.
I’m outta here—the “BP” guys are idiots but y’all have some hope. Don’t let the blind lead you though. Learn from the guys that really get it, and often they don’t have the time to write unless they’re making money from it like the Rollo guy I read about.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 10mo ago
Considering I don't believe 10s exist, an 8 is a step below hottest for me
Two, I didn't talk to her in a year. I explicitly asked her if we'd even met before, that's how little I remembered her. And no, it's because my abilities skyrocketed in that year and she noticed
She wouldn't leave me alone after that
What's with your attitude? Sound like you just want to flex. Your way or no way
Calling a dude who regularly fucks an idiot?
Lol
Let me guess, your dick is also 10" and you're 6'7" at 220 lbs
unknown39 10mo ago
Where’d I call you an idiot?
I’m saying these guys, including yourself, are missing the forest for the trees.
Can you seriously tell me value isn’t 90% of the “game”? And by value I mean the full gamut: wealth, looks and intelligence/aggression (which predicts future success.)
Girls are just like guys man. They get turned on by the cream. By the candy.
You think rich guys or good looking guys don’t have personality? You’re optimizing at the margins. It’s the engine that matters most. Every 3rd guy has “social proof.” How many 9-10 guys you know? How many $5m+ guys you know?
This guy is asking a retarded question. Average guys aren’t pulling hotties. The hotties have them as placeholders. I even question if they are hotties. Maybe some caked up IG hoes.
And some hotties are retarded themselves. I know girls that won’t date “hot guys” anymore because they’re trash. She’ll fuck them though when no one’s watching. And I don’t mean plating—one or two time things.
Of course a 5-7 doesn’t date a 8-10 guy. She knows better. It doesn’t make sense socially.
unknown39 10mo ago
And to make it really real, I’ve been outclassed by guys. Girls I really liked have been fucked by rappers and guys with big city penthouses. What can I do.
That’s the best she’ll ever have. Better to be aware than deluded.
No-Stress-Cat 10mo ago
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Red_dead 10mo ago
Most guys that age do not have money like that. Also being 6ft plus and average is more than enough to pull. I know more average looking guys that pull than chads. Because they have to develop their game and personalities .
Blingo123 10mo ago
Maybe he’s got a nice car and mortgage he’s paying off? It’s much more than just looks bro
Lionsmane8 10mo ago
Dude, men are rated on many more things than looks.
Unlike us who rate women mostly on looks.
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Lionsmane8 10mo ago
Underrated comment.
Many guys with girlfriends are essentially social fronts. The guy is a tool and serves a purpose.
The dynamic between the two says everything.
User4566 10mo ago
AMS on Youtube talked about this being a situation of being at the right place at the right time. Maybe these women got out of a bad breakup and needed someone initmate asap and these guys were the one.
Ibanez 10mo ago
Right place and right time.
Also, young girls are brainwashed by social media to get a "boyfriend material" guy, which means a beta 4 simp.
They often prefer those guys because they do not have options and will not cheat/pump'n'dump them like a chad would, given his options.
However, those "relationships" are miserable. I have friends and girl friends that are in LTR's with guys like that. They succumb to every desire she has and are basically just a piggy bank meant to pay her mortgage, credit debt vacations and expensive dinners for star fish sex.
They outearn their boyfriends by far, a 20-year old girl outearns a 45-year old man as an employee by 3x. Imagine a guy at the same age what his pay must be like, in comparison to her.
Read Dual Mating Strategy on Rollo's blog. Today, women don't want one of the two strategies fulfilled, they want both of them at the same time. The hotties you talk about always have a "clean-up man". A guy that dicks them down when they get into an argument with their boyfriends or she just wants some good dick.
This is the norm in regards to relationships for anyone below 24.
unknown39 10mo ago
Not that uncommon.
Sometimes girls get so badly broken (by a cold player) that they get uneasy dating any guy in their league. Usually highly sensitive girls. I knew a few like that dated down or switched to being bi/lesbian.
They choose down to make themselves feel safe. Some even start hyping their man by talking about how “good”, “simple” men are the shit. Same girls usually cheat on the side.
My ex left me for such a guy. Nobody in my circle could comprehend it. She would tell me how great he was. But then she cheated on him with me lol They lasted 6 months. I had her for 3.5 and she did insane things for me, including fighting her own family.
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whytehorse2021 10mo ago
Why don't you just ask them?
mattyanon Admin 10mo ago
They are paying with commitment in most cases. Perhaps buying drinks, taking her on dates, etc. Social credit often goes a long way - she knows him, he's popular, etc.
In many cases it's just this guy's turn.