I'm gonna tell you an uncomfortable truth:

Women exist within the boundaries of men's tolerance.

If, today, every man said "that's it, no more attention for fat dumb bitches" you can bet that every gym and Library would be PACKED with women. Your frustrations with women can be directly tied to how much men are willing to tolerate to fuck them.

So what can you do about it?

Nothing.

You're spitting into a hurricane. All you can do is play the game as it is. Dick em down, cast em off, and build yourself. Pray the pendulum swings back the other way and be ready. Stressing and moaning isn't giving you outcomes.

I'm so glad I missed the Zoomer-pocalypse. Can't use a can opener? Don't know how to use a computer file system after 8 years of computer classes? I can't say the Boomers were much better but they had a few good ones. You can tell how bad the Boomers were by looking at all the job openings now that they're retired. Like some dude literally got paid $70k/yr for 50 years to check if produce is bad. Yup, I'll take that cushy gov't job with a full pension.

Meanwhile GenX, my generation(and Rollo, Clarey, KS, etc), had to eat shit. GenX was the generation of hard times that created strong men. That's why we all became rugged individuals. That's why we hacked the Matrix and reverse-engineered women to come up with red pill and reverse the course of female supremacy.

Millenials and Gen Z is the generation of weak men that will bring hard times. It's already upon us. Joker has been waiting for a year to get concrete poured for his new house because there are no men to do it. It may never get poured. Need your car fixed? The only decent mechanic is an Xer and he's backlogged 6mos plus he charges $100/hr plus parts. I just fired my GenZ in-home caregiver because the dude always showed up 1-2hrs late for a 4hr shift.

So now you know why you have it so easy with women when you're a red pill man. It's because we're extremely rare. Remember this always: YOU'RE the prize.

Honestly Im 27, basically a milennial but somewhat close in age to Gen Z.

From my experience, generally Gen Z women think theyre hotter than they are. But thats generally just because they are Western women, and I think that is spreading to women of all ages in western countries.

Gen Z men are super beta though. A lot of them are trying too hard to look like IG models and theyre the type of guys who bleach their teeth and go in tanning booths and get super cookie cutter tattoos like a butterfly on their thigh to look like some IG traveler. I honestly havent met many alpha male Gen Z men.

You cannot even make friends when you are high value or have a fucking social life with other people, because everyone envies you and is afraid of competition, specially other men

Ok this interests me. As I said im not gen Z but a milennial but close enough in age. I have had this issue too, I suffer from high SMV. I will admit that a lot of Gen Z guys do want to hang out with me though. Like when we meet at a bar or whatever they want my number to hang out after as bros. When i meet other high smv men they treat me as an equal and we can relate on many things including lifestyle, mindset, beliefs, sense of humor.

I think your generation has is really hard though. You guys are basically guinea pigs to the social media and online dating age with social justice warrior propaganda and feminism. These are all huge scale mental warfare on the American youth. You guys are being conditioned like not many generations before you. The girls are benefitting from social media validation and feminism and online dating. The guys are basically regressing however, they dont really benefit from anything in modern social media age. Girls are becoming more powerful socially and guys are losing power.

In what ways do you feel you are suffering from high SMV?

I'm not sure why this is so downvoted but at the same time, what the fuck can you do about it?

This is the gen z market. Also, clubs are slut magnets. I can't even fuck half the girls who throw themselves at me because I think they'll give me clap if I do.

Look elsewhere if gen z's are that retarded. I can't connect with most gen z's but definitely not in a club (I'm 31)

As old school TRP reddit would say

"Enjoy the decline"

You really have to look elsewhere if you want to find better shit. I'm in the same boat of finding trash women but I'm not ready to look for something better yet

You cannot even make friends when you are high value or have a fucking social life with other people, because everyone envies you and is afraid of competition, specially other men.

Assuming you can find people who you’d want to include on your inner social circles.

Gen Z girls are really, really sad man. Like totally depressed. And you can see this in every interaction. They are either dumb, DUMB as fuck, literally, or they are severly depressed and anti-social.

I wouldn’t say every interaction, but in many across the board. Generally speaking, then men are boys that are chasing dopamine (even the educated ones) and lack discipline. The girls are only gonna be as smart as 6-10 hours of phone and social media use allows them to be. The boys tolerate it because they lack frame, game and options.

In nightlife, the overwhelming majority of women come across as being completely dumb.. but to be fair they’re all usually pretty drunk. Their lack of social adeptness can also show when they’re sober. Just don’t conflate lack of interest with being underdeveloped.

I still agree with you btw.

Not to mention the fucking princess farts that 4's and 5's give to themselves

Oh yeah. 4s and 5s got options, and it’s certain 6s+ are spinning lots of plates.

I think you’re mostly right. I’m Gen Z and I’ve been saying it from the start. Generally speaking, we suck. It stems from a lack of effort from both sexes.

Instead of effort directed at themselves, the men chase the women. The women don’t need to try because they’re being chased. It ultimately comes back to the men ultimately being the weak pursuers of westernized pussy.

My fellow zoomers, stop downvoting OP for discussing a legit problem.

You cannot even make friends when you are high value or have a fucking social life with other people, because everyone envies you and is afraid of competition, specially other men

This is cope.

If you're not popular it is not because you are too successful. People love and follow successful good people.

club

Well what do you expect..... this is the lowest form of adult entertainment. It is literally this: "pay someone to give me alcohol and dance in front of other people". Anyone can get in. No barrier to entry. Anyone can do it. Loud music precludes intelligent conversation.

Obviously it's going to be full of dumb fickle people.

What is the problem here? Am I crazy?

You are not crazy but the problem isn't entirely other people. You're successful at a young age and most people aren't, regardless of generation. That makes you rare. But thinking the world is full of stupid people? Nahhhhhhhh you're either just way too arrogant and full of yourself, or you're in the wrong town.

I get more choosing signals and can eaaaaasily pull millenial chicks in their mid to late 20s and hot spinsters in their 30's than 10 Gen Z girls combined.

What a surprise, you can way easier get old hags than the youngest and most fresh girls with the most options. They act like fucking idiot bitches because they can and they’re still the best on the market.

Look, I'm ancient, like 60

Back in my day, the girls were better, but similar, how?

Girls in college, there were 2 types.

1) had no interest in LTR, until after school was over at least. They generally went after the hottest guy or fun guy around,etc. Kinda like girls today

2) Wanted sex in relationships, now, that can be like a few months, but still call it a relationship.

I'd say it was like 40% in option 1, 60% in option 2.

today, I'm sure it's much more option 1 and many girls go for advanced degrees = more time staying in option 1

More girls go to college today also than my way back 80's. think it was 40 to 60 women to men, today it's 60 to 40 women to men. That's a big change

All women are vapid and stupid and prone to every mental illness ever catalogued.

Take them for what they are.

Keep your standards high, but your expectations low.

"everyone is boring man".... and also "I usually pull 8s in the club"

It sounds like your horizons are very limited. Pulling 8s in the club. RIght. And apparently you "make bank". And you live in eastern Europe. We probably have very different versions of 'making bank'. And if your reference for high value female is a drug addicted ghetto single mum 53 year old trash slut with 4 convictions for assault that has never met her dad like NC then we have very different ideas about what constitutes a high value woman.

It sounds like you are fishing in a dirty puddle, and now you are complaining that you're bored of the dirty puddle.

By all means, come over to Western Europe. You may find a few surprises.

Your observations aren’t wrong.

Some of the older guys don’t fully comprehend that something really fucked up happened to society around the time social media and dating apps came about. I’m right on the cusp of Gen Z and saw this shift.

Gen Z girls are retarded. All they know are social media echo chambers, sexual freedom and online validation. They got broken at 16. I know girls who raved at 16-20. Fucked a guy each week. That type of shit. Their entire sense of reality was built in the online la-la land. It’s the age of appearances and validation.

Gen Z guys are mostly losers. They did not benefit from the fake shit like the girls did. They got lost. My own mentors tell me I’m a rare breed. Women in their 20’s now out-earn men in urban cities. Crazy right?

The answer is that if you’re the smartest man in the room, you’re in the wrong room. I wasted too much time trying to win over losers. It won’t happen—especially if you succeeded while they got ever more confused and lost. All they see is their own hopes and fears.

Find new circles. Socialize at your level. And the Gen Z hoes: game them, dumb it down for them but don’t become dumb yourself. It’s a tricky one since they are physically hot but the older women aren’t mentally broken by internet, social media and the rest. They grew up normal.

What a time to be alive!

I think it's good that you're self aware of how lame Gen Z is. I gave up back when I was 16 (I'm 23 now). Yes, a lot of people our age are retarded and boring. The reason for this is we basically grew up watching a screen. I used to think I had serious mental problems because of how anxious and socially retarded I was until I realized that all my life, instead of socializing and making new friends, I was talking to the same losers I knew for years and playing video games and being on the internet. OF COURSE MY SOCIAL SKILLS WOULD SUCK MONKEY DICK.