I've read multiple posts about this over the years, even from endorsed contributors. Can't help but wonder just how common this really is, though?
Saw this girl a couple of times over the span of a month. Day before our next 'meeting', she blows me off with a text about how she was apparently in the early stage of dating some guy and no longer comfortable seeing me on the side. I responded with something along the lines of 'that's fine, you shouldn't do anything you're not comfortable with' and that was that. Day before this guy took her to the spa lmao, I'm guessing it was probably their 2nd date. (She told me earlier that week she couldn't see me said evening, because she was going to the spa, I added 1 and 1 together).
I'm just wondering if I fucked up somewhere or if she just deviated from the 'girls just want to have fun' mode to 'girl wants comfort' mode. Don't think I fucked up somewhere, like doing needy beta shit & I'm on top of my game/life atm. Maybe I overplayed the AF, she figured there was 0% chance of something more serious & decided that instead she'd rather have something more steady and closer by (I live 40min away and see her like once every 10 days).
Main thing that is fucking me up is that I don't (completely?) understand why she'd ditch me, since I estimate an extremely low likelihood of said other guy having equal or higher SMV. But I guess that sometimes it's possible to commit no mistake and still lose... Maybe that's just cope tho
alureon 3 months ago
I'm going through something similar, so hoping someone a bit more experienced will comment.
Was FWB with this girl at uni, she's fickle, might be a me problem, I don't know, I've always tried to mix alpha traits with comfort.
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See some photos of her with a new guy, assuming she's taking things seriously with him, so I haven't bothered reaching out. She still messages me every couple of days and what not, I just respond aloofly and go on with my day. Part of me thinks I shouldn't even bother talking to her but what do I know, hoping someone will chime in.
Cheers.
redhawkes 3 months ago
What a bunch of hamstering. If it's another guy, she's probably measuring her options.
Fill the blank space: Watch her actions, not her __.
If you wanna fuck, create some plausible deniability and smash. Bitch who doesn't want to fuck, won't come to your place to smash, then tell you she doesn't want to do that anymore.
She'll become distant and flip 180. Every time that happens, it's another dick in play. If she really means that and ghost you, don't burn bridges, she might boomerang back. Obviously, don't become her penpall, fade her, she'll get the message.
You should not care if the plates break, or even worse, offer her a LTR in order to keep it. The talk is her prerogative. Vet at least 5 months, then see how it goes.
alureon 3 months ago
Great advice, thanks.
I'll slowly fade her out.
mattyanon Admin 3 months ago
My FWB's last 2 to 5 years. Things end because they get kinda just....... not as good as they were. Possibly the girl expects a LTR and marriage, I don't really know nor care.
Fair enough
They wobble between the two. It's not that you fuck up.
She isn't yours, it was just your turn.
Lionsmane8 3 months ago
"Relationships" are a socially acceptable label that women use to justify sleeping regularly with a man. It's what they tell themselves and their entourage to not be perceived as sluts.
Bonus, relationships come with an added bonus whereby the man usually provides some forms of tangible and intangible benefits on top of dick. ("It's ok to jump on his dick. Look, he does all this for me!").
"Relationships" are heavily tilted to benefit the female primarily. And absent civilization, women will go back doing what female mammals usually do: fuck the alphas unapologetically.
Your job is to provide just enough "semblance of a relationship" to assuage her hamstering. Provided you want to keep her that is.
(n.b. still experimenting with this).
whytehorse2021 3 months ago
True story: there's a nail salon on the way to my gym. One day I see A DUDE going in there with his woman. My gut reaction was to yell "BETA!!!!". She wasn't hot or anything, just high maintenance and he was her meal ticket. The moral of the story is you were her meal ticket when she wanted dick and he was her meal ticket when she wanted spa maintenance. There are women who will date a plumber when they need their house plumbing fixed and then date an electrician when they need electric work done.
Plates break at various times based on what the woman is after at the time. In many cases with modern women, they have this covert contract where they think they can backdoor their way into a relationship through sex. They have it all planned out. 3 months to kick in your mating instincts and get pussy-whipped. Then they go for commitment. They may hang around a while longer for commitment. Sometimes up to a year if there's nobody else on offer. Eventually they realize you're not going to commit and they move on. If you do commit, they start to trickle-feed you pussy while they get you to enter their frame. Next thing you know you're simping and so they turn you into their beta orbiter and drain all your resources for no sex.
Bulba 3 months ago
This is probably cope.
I know I usually get downvoted for saying this, but girls don't care about looks as much as you think, and they care about money way more than you realize. If this other guy is showing off more cash than you, well, there's your answer.
Guys often mess up by thinking that what they look for in a partner is also top priority for women. Men pick girls mostly by their looks and personality, so they tend to think that this is also what girls are looking for in a man.
This kind of delusion goes both ways. Girls think that if they nail their careers and become these strong, independent women, they'll catch the perfect guy - because that's what they're looking for in a man. But we all know that we couldn't care less about a girl's career status.
TRPDuryodhana 3 months ago
I think it's more about status or social heirarchy of the man. Women are followers, so they want to be lead by a man. Naturally, a man lower than her in the dominance hierarchy is repulsive to her. Money is generally a good indicator of status and hierarchy. Of course, this is all about long-term.
For short-term, they will fuck anyone who gives them the tingles.
Bulba 3 months ago
That's true, it's just that money is so strongly correlated with status that they're almost the same thing.
Intrepid_Place53900 3 months ago
this is extremely variable, it depends upon the woman and her needs.
I had plates in college that only lasted about 6 months, the girls kept asking for more, every single time. This after I explained my expectations on "time" as I was very busy. They kept pushing, so I had to move on.
Each time, they were pissed and freaked out I was moving on, they promised to behave, anything I wanted. I never looked back because you know it would never stop and drama would occur, so I stopped it.
Some girls (especially way after college) would ditch me, because I wouldn't commit. They gave me a timeframe, didn't see it moving where they wanted, and moved on. You may be her best option , (for a plate), but many women don't want to be just a plate. If they don't see themselves getting a promotion, they look for a new employer.
BabyUareSoSexy 3 months ago
The same thing happened to me. Plated a girl for a few months, but out of nowhere she blew me off, and started dating another guy. This girl was all over me, texting me 24/7, cooked for me, did everything for me. But she was getting no relationship out of me and was turning 26, so she was looking for something serious. Sometimes they just want something serious, that's it.