Ive seen high smv guys not go home with girls, and ive stayed until bars closed and seen low to mid smv guys with chicks making out calling ubers home. Its just weird to see. Ive personally been on both ends. The guy going home with a chick and the guy empty handed while an objectively lower smv guy has a girl to go home with. And no, its not because they had "more game"... it just seems like certain situations play out differently, like for example i have 3 girls to pick from and i use the bathroom and talk to someone else and return 20 minutes later someone else is talking to them. Then i talk to someone else for 30 minutes and an hour later they go home with the objectively lower smv guy who scooped up on them while i was in the bathroom, ive also been on the vice versa end of this.
It just seems like pure luck almost.
I would also meet some people at a bar and see two strangers hooking up, and the guy is objectively lower smv than me, and he is going home with a girl. Vice versa ive been in the other shoes.
Just doesnt seem that high smv guy going out = laid /// low smv guy going out = not laid . Ive seen hot girls go home with super mid guys
Just seems like luck mixed with random timing (good or bad) and some effort determines who you go home with. SMV helps but sometimes girls just get the low hanging fruit too. They wont go for the highest smv man, they just go for whatever guy has good timing and effort to talk to them.
BabyUareSoSexy 10mo ago
Very good question. I thought about this too, but most girls are just retarded when they're drunk. It's all about logistics, and striking when the iron is hot. I've lost count of how many girls I've lost, because logistics were bad. The hottest girls I've fucked through night game were just me being at the right place at the right time.
JamesSkepp Moderator 10mo ago
Game or some semblance of it. SMV by itself is not much if you can't talk to a girl.
Bozza 10mo ago
It is a bit of a crapshoot to a degree, because you need multiple circumstances to line up exactly.
The hardest part is probably logistics. You can be the highest SMV guy in the room with the best game, but if the logistics don't work out then you aren't getting laid that night, simple as.
But even if the logistics don't work out, if you did a good job gaming (or have high SMV) they will usually initiate getting your number and fucking you a few days later.
I still live with my parents, which is a fucking nightmare for arranging logistics. My hit rate for same night lays during night game is low for that reason. But, I have good success getting a number, following up a few days later and organising a mid week hook up through text.
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 10mo ago
Everything in life is a crapshoot.
The key is to improve your odds in any way that you can.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 10mo ago
Nightgame is largely a crapshoot unless you handle it right
It's mostly numbers game, knowing when to walk away from a set, not being afraid to venue hop if yours isn't working out for you, and obviously just showing up with certain game and SMV ready
The biggest problem here imo from 2 years of solid night game is that I realized most girls show up knowing what they want already, and or they have friends there who are also obstacles, and also that most girls know what their SMV is and will defensively reject men for little to no reason
1) they know their type already. They'll instantly like you if you already check their boxes and demonstrate the bare minimum social proof and token game required.
And girls that don't think you're exactly their type but still think you could fit the bill, those ones you really need to game
A lot of girls however will entertain you for attention but you just simply aren't going to get in their YES box. They'll entertain it for attention but they'll never go out with you or sleep with you
On this same note, when girls show up knowing what they want, they can see 10 guys in the room fitting the bill and those 10 guys are 10 split areas of attention for them. If you're not one of them you have an either uphill or straight impassable climb
1) Best to just just find a girl giving you genuine interest, or else it's steep game or crapshoot
2) bad friends
Some girls really don't give a shit about their friends. They either purposely went out for a girl's night (lol no such thing, all girls nights are opportunities to meet men) of the insecure mother hen friend won't let her other friends flirt with guys unless she's also getting attention
Bad friends are arguably worse than a girl not thinking you're her type. At least you have a shot if you're not her type but she's bored enough or lonely enough to fuck you that night.
A bad friend will just go out of her way to cockblock you just because she's not getting hit on by anyone and you're "taking her friend away from her time" which is bullshit, because these same girls would ignore their own friend they are protecting if they were getting attention from some club bro.
Bad friends will fuck you over even if the girl you're gaming is very into you. Get a number ASAP if she has a bad friend because they will bail suddenly just because the friend is selfish and doesn't want her girl to enjoy herself
This is my least favorite crapshoot on the list. Either make a strong positive first impression with the hen friend or get a number as fast as possible because you won't have time if you know the friend is defensive and bitchy from the get go
2) crapshoot 2 is bad social opportunity to begin with a chick for reasons neither of you are hoping for
3) girls know there SMV.
They might think they're hot shit but a 5-6 knows she's not deep down. They know any 8-9 talking to them wants to hang for the night and ghost
That's why they'll be cold to 8+ men and gi home with some drunk 5-7 with bad game. The 5-7 probably won't ghost them and they know the high SMV guys don't genuinely like them
I get rejected by 5s and 6s all the fucking time. Mostly cause I approach without seeing their face first and regret it. They don't like me. 7+ women just seem more receptive to me honestly
These 5-6 women know every guy in the venue thinks he could pull them because they're not hot. A hot man approaching them is basically an insult to them, not validation
Also. If a 8 is approaching a 5, it just makes him look like he has no options. Like a guy with a bachelors degree applying to McDonald's. Like why is he doing that?
3) So crapshoot number 3 is men aiming too low and getting rejected for shooting too low.
amazonri 10mo ago
Yeah so basically 1 and 3 are my biggest things.
I have an aggressive build, I have done steroids and im about 208 pounds and 5'11. Basically people do ask me if i play professional baseball or collegiate football, as im 27 years old. I also have a "Chad" face and a bunch of tattoo sleeves. Im not here to brag, but since enhancing my smv to this point, i can clearly tell that im a type to girls who are HB8+. When i see HB5 or HB6 in public, they may respect my smv but im not their type because their type is clearly the dad bod skinny guy with mediocre game. This is quite literally enforced by my life experience of seeing thousands of couples in public and viewing real life-results in live time.
Number 3 is important because like i mentioned im high smv and constantly deal with autorejection. Like in my daily life when i go to the store, to the mall, to the gym, or generally any daygame, Im the guy that gets the attention from the HB8+. I constantly see them ignore mid tier men (male 5-7/10) in public, treating them like NPC's. Like if i walk in a room with a hot girl and a bunch of mid guys she will be confident and normal. But them just glancing at me or entering the room, the HB8 will get flustered and all the men notice "who is this guy?" and get threatened by my presence, so generally i know what my SMV is based off simple things like this. Like i have this happen hundreds of times over a course of a month, not a "situational alpha" by any means
Its just weird when im in an active sexual trading market (like a bar) that suddenly im in a group with mid women and mid guys, that at the end of the night its common to see the girls ultimately end up with the mid dude. And its not an issue of game.
Sometimes it fucks with my head, as it makes no logic sense whatsoever. I have been with many HB8 in the past, both sexually and in relationships, so i do have a proven smv. But its weird that girls will reject me or see me as an NPC in some bar scenarios
I had teased a hot girl at the bar yesterday and she got an attitude with me, then proceeded to get completely engulfed in this conversation with a super skinny 150 pound guy who was like a 6/10 at best, and i spoke to him and he didnt seem necessarily super confident or had game. I grew up around lots of players so i know what real game and confidence looks like. He was truly just a normal guy with slightly above average looks and kind of basic urban style. Nothing special at all. She just chose the lower smv guy in front of me. Thats fine but she even had the nerve to try to humiliate me in the process like i was super below the other guy she sexually chose. Im pretty sure he took her home with him.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 10mo ago
Yes all of this sounds pretty in line with what I thought. Honestly I think some girls have a hate boner for high SMV men and because they know they can fuck one whenever they can play stupid games like rejecting one for LOLs. They can reject you and then have another hot ripped guy some other night
It's fucking stupid but tis the market power of an HB8+
Maybe you looked like an ex for all you know. Women at bars and clubs are absolutely damaged and more neurotic than average. We can only analyze a club girl so much before it gets reduced to "she's broken"
mattyanon Admin 10mo ago
Yep
Right.
Girls, especially drunk, are more interested in the guy right in front of them. They are very short term thinkers. Well ... more feels thank thoughts really.
Right.
They also go out for attention a lot.
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whytehorse2021 10mo ago
Objectively speaking, I like super skinny chicks that maybe other dudes don't like. No way in hell am I going home with a "curvy" chick. I like Asian chicks. I'll fuck a hot black chick. I probably won't fuck a white chick unless she's a 10. So, what do you think a night out looks like for me? I'm probably going home with a skinny Asian chick with an ugly face, lol. Maybe you think she's a HB4. That "curvy" white chick you're going home with is what I would consider a HB4 but you consider a HB9.
Women are no different. You can't really compare yourself and say you're a 9 and the other guy is a 7.
nicknack 10mo ago
I find the fun of night game to be the game itself. Spending time with my boys gaming and laughing off when we strike out, enjoying the hunt. The same way dudes go fishing and throwing the fish back in the water. It’s not about the fish. If you make it about the fish, you’re probably gonna have a bad time.
ogrilla99 10mo ago
Holy cow, I was just about to write exactly this.
Night game (and for that matter, almost all game), is a crapshoot. You can't go out every night with the sole goal of getting laid, or else you'll burn out fast.
You gotta enjoy the night for everything else. If you hate loud nightclubs, don't go there just because there are hot chicks in skimpy clothing there. They will sense that you're not enjoying it and will avoid you. If laid-back lounges bore you, stay away. In short, find places that you would enjoy the night regardless of the women. And find a group of friends that you would enjoy hanging out with anyway. Ironically, doing those 2 things will put you in the right frame of mind, and when you're genuinely enjoying yourself, you'll have much greater success in attracting women anyway. Win-win.
P.S. The only other thing I'd say is logistics also matter. Successes came much easier when you could tell a girl "I'm staying down the street, it's a 5 minute walk. Let's go." Having to fight the other hundred people for an available uber, then the awkward silence in the cab since no one wants to put on a show that will end up on some youtube dashcam channel, and by the time you're home, the mood is shot and she just wants to go back to her place and nurse her rapidly approaching hangover.
So my advice is: stay local. I've always had the most luck that way. Find a bar that's within easy walking distance to your place. Go during the weekdays so that the bartenders and bouncers know you as a regular. You'll build up social credibility, and girls will wonder who you are when you can cut the line and get in or get a drink without waiting. No need to go to the trendiest place in town and compete with out-of-towners looking to blow an entire month's salary on their once-in-a-lifetime experience. The girls may be a little less hot, but you will always find some cute ones who are just looking for a laid-back night.
When the bar is closing, tell the girls that you and your boys have been chatting, that the after-party is at your place just five minutes down the road. Now logistics start working in your favor. They'll come over, start relaxing at your place, and the rest is history :-)
User4566 10mo ago
Sort of. Especially when girls go and get drunk then who KNOWS what dumb shit they'll do.