There's exhibit A and B in the link from personal chats of mine. One is old, and one is extremely recent. This is just a very small taste of examples between the difference in responses I get now from the kinds of responses I got way back.
I could have grabbed a more recent example of a positive response other than one from 2017, but she messaged me again recently so I just scrolled back a bit and used exhibit A as an example.
Anyway, I seem to be repelling women now, and I want to find out why. Exhibit B is generally the kind of response I get these days, and I know it has less to do with the women and more to do with me and I must know why. Not meaning to offend anyone here who is, but I promise I am genuinely not autistic or on any kind of spectrum, but the general consensus I get from women these days is that I'm either egotistical, arrogant, rude, disrespectful etc, which is fine - I always was more or less even when I was successful, but there's a key underlying difference these days that is fucking with my game and I need to pinpoint it.
mattyanon about a week ago
First convo is obviously good.
Second convo: this girl has fucking attitude, you need to stop talking to that shit. Your answer was weak, you're justifying yourself, you're in her frame. You're being all logical and the wrong kind of challenging and it reads as weak, as negotiating, as pleading almost. It's fucking terrible.
Not sure if you're bringing out the worst in this girl or if she's terrible to start with.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
Yeah, I knew that at the time, but other than just ignoring it and walking away, I couldn't think of a better solution other than to not take it seriously. What would you have done?
Possibly both lmao.
mattyanon about a week ago
When a girl gives the "not gonna prove myself" shit, she's doing the defensive/ego shit. When she talks about demanding respect while disrespecting you with her tone: it's all over and she's not worth dealing with.
I'd just ignore texts like that. She doesn't deserve a reply with all that shit.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
You're right, and she did absolutely fuck all to earn my respect. Shouldn't have DEER'd but I wanted to show her the hypocrisy of her statements. Girl had a bigger ego than me.
Bozza about a week ago
What did you say in exhibit b to elicit that reaction
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
Opened by teasing her which got a laugh, and then I said some brash cocky shit after we spoke a little. I said something about spanking her, and then she said she'd ruin me (sexually) and then I said something along the lines of, "that's cute, prove it" and then she didn't respond for a day or so, I followed up with something else. I was just being playful, and then I must have triggered her and she went on this tangent. That's basically it.
JCantell about a week ago
This is the neediness I was talking about in my comment on the last post.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
I freely admitted and recognise that. Don't worry, I'll send you your medal in the post :P
JCantell about a week ago
I’m commenting to help you, but if you’re gonna be a prick then you’re free to figure your shit out on your own bud.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
Lmao, how did I know you'd take that seriously? Thank you for your help, brother.
JCantell about a week ago
Ight, no problem.
Lionsmane8 about a week ago
Dude, you just started arguing with a cunt.
Less is more.
Also some girls are just cunts. Move on to more feminine, submissive girls.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
You're right, but maybe I brought the cunt out of her. She wasn't shitty initially. Regardless, she ultimately showed me she's a cunt and can't handle some light teasing, so that's that. Wouldn't ordinarily waste my time with that, but I'm in scarcity man.
whytehorse2021 about a week ago
Yeah maybe you're just picking lousy chicks.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
She probably is lousy, but highly fuckable. I'm not looking for an LTR. I've dealt with chicks like this in the past, and they're just little tigers without teeth or claws. Always fun in bed.
whytehorse2021 about a week ago
In my experience, and in the science, men and women have short-term and long-term mating strategies. The short-term types for women manifest as BPD and narcissism. You might experience it as a woman that is hot+crazy and it starts with love-bombing. For men it's dark triad traits or what we might call alpha fux. The long-term strategy for women is to get beta buxx and for men it's to get the virgin.
In this case, I would advise you to use text for logistics only. Set up a meet and move on. Once you get to them in person you can establish a frame and determine what type of chick they are.
dirtymikeandtheboyz about a week ago
Im guessing you were dating younger chicks back in 2017. Younger ones are usually more easy going than the older ones since theyve been through less bs with men and are probably more open to joking around. The older ones probably thinking to herself "heres another dbag that is going to pump and dump me" if you come on too sexual.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
My ex girlfriend was 7 years younger than me. They're all relatively younger than me, because I prefer younger girls. Don't think that has anything to do with it. I think it's just whatever shitty vibes I'm putting across these days, and since isolating myself. So far i've identified that I'm needy lately, that's for certain, and probably a bit desperate too, so I'm rushing in with every girl and I'm quite forward too. I'm not really sparking their interest enough either to get them to chase me, so I'm as JCantell said, pedestalizing them.
Girl in Exhibit B is younger btw, and also not necessarily true. I've been with older women who were very chill.
Age aside, I do agree that it was some kind of ASD. I was coming on strong out of the gate.
JCantell about a week ago
First conversation was 1: not with a bitch and 2: lighthearted and fun.
Second was drama the whole time, both of you are bitching at each other. You clearly weren’t “repelling” her until the drama started, lol. If she was repelled by you she wouldn’t have even matched or replied to you.
You set the frame. She takes your lead.
Keep it simple stupid with women. Treat them like children. Amused, lighthearted, fun, carefree.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
I thought I was keeping it light and fun. That's always my approach, but then she just switched like you did a minute ago, haha. I'm just bustin your balls, man. I appreciate your insights; and everyone's insights, that's why I'm here: to help if I can, and to receive feedback. Did not mean to insult.
JCantell about a week ago
Your good brother. No insult taken.
I think I’ve about covered it with this though. Shit will work out. Patience is virtue.
redhawkes about a week ago
That's not playful, that's classic sperg abrasive game, shitload of DEERing and neediness.
You took her shit seriously and the cunt unloaded on you. Most important, you rewarded shitty behavior with attention.
So, read on Amused Mastery and fix your frame. Work on your SMV too. If you're Chad, you can get away with the dumbest things possible, but low SMV guys are magnet to this behavior.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
Initially I was playful. Prior to the convo you can see. Probably should have shared that. She was laughing and receptive, I think I just pushed it over the line at some point, and then chased her when she didn't respond. The chasing was the error of the two.
I understand that totally. Been there, and done that so this is quite jarring for me. Definitely low in SMV at the moment. I feel it. In fact, that is probably the main issue.
Would you mind pointing out some examples of where I DEER'd. I did throw in some Amused Mastery, and A&A during that part of the convo but by that point I'd already fucked it up anyway. Not that it matters. Water off a duck's back, but I'm here to re-learn. Thanks, man.
redhawkes about a week ago
It's the justification part when you explained that you teased her and the other reply fully.
Another thing is the delivery. If you tease over text, sometimes the context/reference is lost and it's a downright spiral form there. Can sound like insult. If she knows you from before and digs your vibe, yea it can work, but if you met on OLD, it's different.
IRL is way easier. It's how you say it not what you say.
When I find myself in some game stupor, I read The Roissy Reader and somehow I get my mojo back in no time. It happens, you get rusty, but once you get it, it's like muscle memory.
MidgetSpinner about a week ago
Never even heard of the Roissy Reader, but if you swear by it then I'll check it out. Thank you, man.