I met a couple of foreign girls from Europe at the club, and although her friend was flirty with me, the one I liked was playing hard to get. Thing is, I only came up to them because we locked glances, I noticed she kept staring at me and had ioi's. I called her "trouble," and she laughed. Got her # and all, but when I asked if she wanted to go out to eat sometime, I got a "maybe."
Not sure if this is a shit test or a lack of interest. Notably, her friend mentioned that she almost never goes out to clubs, so part of me is thinking she is not a 304 and puts on a guard because of that. I'd say she's an 8.5 or 9 in terms of looks. I don't like to waste time/ energy, so do you think trying it out with her would be worth it? What is the Red Pill stance on this?
mattyanon Admin 2y ago Stickied
"playing hard to get" is male ego defence and the female excuse for "milking him for attention".
More attention milking.
It's lack of interest.
fundamentally the game works like this: she takes a step back, YOU take a step back. If you get a maybe, that's a big step back. You need to take a bigger step back or lose respect.
So: ignore for a week and then reply with "yeah, it would never work". If this gets a positive response ask her out. If it doesn't, ditch. If she doesn't go for it, ditch.
you already tried, this isn't going to work.
JamesSkepp Moderator 2y ago
Matty's reply is the best explanation o the entire attention dynamic/girls "playing games" .
Ocbbbbbbbb 2y ago
Attention whore
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Europe is a big place. Everything from raging feminist Brits to trad-con Ukrainians. Overall, you can divide women into two categories: modern or traditional. Basically you can just look at their country's welfare system and that will give you a good idea.
When I deal with traditional women, they play hard to get because they can't afford to get knocked up or get a reputation as a hoe. Modern women, especially at a night club, will put up a bitch shield as a shit test to get betas to bounce off.
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coolsocks00 1 2y ago
Hot chicks get a ton of interest from guys and very often will require some convincing, meaning that a straight up question is rarely enough unless you made a really good first impression.
How much time you're willing to invest in gaming her is up to you, as always. Once you see clear signs of disinterest it's time to cut your losses. Getting a "maybe" from a direct meet up request is not a reason to call it quits unless you're really busy or dont give a fuck about nailing her.
There's many reasons to why a girl is hesitant. One is that women just like to test you, in an attempt to expose the soft core of your weeping heart. Alphas and betas have vastly different reactions to negative feedback, and women are desperate to see yours (maybe even more so when they're interested).
Keep a frame of indifference but with desire. Desire based on want, not on need, is sexy. Amuse yourself and amuse her, and you'll be off to the races.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
"needs some convincing" is bullshit....... "fuck me or fuck off" should be your attitude.
right.
Maybe is female code for "no, but for various reasons I don't want to say it".
Reasons include: conflict avoidance, wanting attention, etc.
Interested or not it's important to counter her disinterest with your own disinterest, otherwise you're a valueless loser who chases due to lack of other options.
coolsocks00 1 2y ago
If it only was that simple all the time. If you were in his situation and by some blunder started a conversation with "hey would you go out with me sometime?", and got a "maybe"; you wouldnt think oh shucks better pack my shit and give up... You'd think wow that was retarded, now im gonna actually game her for a sec and see how she responds. Because you're not retarded.
Of course this is true once the ball is rolling.
There's some leeway between "text only for logistics", which is the base advice for the spergs/newcomers, and being her pen pal.
It comes down to how Game/PUA oriented you are vs "mind on your mission". It's not wrong to think with your dick a bit especially when you're starting out IMO.
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PrisonnierDuGingoa 2y ago
You nailed it.
I just want to add, on a more practical level, your invitation to meet up is way too vague. Don't ask her if she wants to hangout, tell her "Let's go do x". Even better would be saying "I'm going to do x on y day, come join me if you're down" and go do that activity regardless of her answer.
Moreover, we should do a lot of things "sometimes". But are we gonna? Make it happen! She's not gonna plan the date for you. Tell her "Let's go get drinks this week. I'm free Monday or Wednesday" and let her pick a day. Then tell her "I know this cool place at xxx, meet me there at x pm". It's your job to lead.
BabyUareSoSexy 2y ago
There's no such thing as playing hard to get. If a girl is into you, she'll make it easy.
nicknack 2y ago
In my experience girls in Europe play a lot harder to get. They’re generally not like the liberated American girls who consider getting laid as a woman something to be proud of. Playing hard to get is fine with European girls generally speaking. I had a girl this January that was playing hard to get up until this moment I was balls deep in her. Another thing that you didn’t hear from me though is the whole concept of consent is not really as much of a thing over there. American girls have to almost explicitly give you consent verbally and physically or else you’re maybe going to jail. European girls like when a man is a man and takes control. I’m not saying do anything stupid.
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redhawkes 2 2y ago
This is true, but it's just a facade cos the slut shaming is still in action here. Deep down, they are the same as US hoes, depending on your SMV.
Consent is common sense, you don't have to sperg about it. When you're both naked, you're not gonna play cards, just read the cues and calibrate. I've never texted a girl first after a smash, they always do.
I know maybe 2-3 cases in my whole life when some false accusations happened. The first one was when one guy smashed a chick, she started to bleed after and told her parents that the guy forced her, so he got an ultimatum of either marry her or get a charge. They're married now.
The other two happened when the hoes got exposed and played the 'rape' card. Both of the guys got in jail, then released when proved innocent. One of the guys son hung himself because of the mental pressure. Im from southeastern Europe btw.
dongking 2y ago
Depends. In Scandinavia you have to be very careful. Always get consent/confirmation/proof before and after on text.
Loads of false rape claims going around. Even when the women are found out, when it's clear she has fabricated a story for monetary (and attention) gain - she'll get no repercussions. So it's basically a risk free way for women in north Europe to earn 20-30k.
Currently the only thing needed to get sentenced for rape in Scandinavia is:
A female tells her friend or family that she has been raped. Her friend/family then confirms in court that she has indeed told them this. i.e. a "witness".
A rape kit. i.e. a sample from a nurse/Dr that confirms that the woman has had sex.
We have countless of cases like this in Sweden. The word of a female ways heavier than the word of a man, ironically enough.
It's terrifying.
nicknack 2y ago
Oh yeah I was more referring to like central, southern and Eastern Europe. Northwestern Europe is a different animal all together, is almost like America .. female ruled country.
That sounds terrifying, but that’s absolutely believable as it’s the same in the US. My friend spent 4 months in jail due to smashing some drunk hoe who had a bf and screamed rape when her friends judged her for cheating and picked her up from his place that night.
PrisonnierDuGingoa 2y ago
That's fucked up, how do you even protect yourself against these situations? How do you get consent on text without making it weird and implying she might claim rape?
nicknack 2y ago
I guess record everything, but then you need consent for that too. That’s why I don’t bother with taking drunk hoes back home in the west. He took her back to his place and smashed, according to her she didn’t want to fuck and he forced it all, but why go back to his place at all? If my girl went back to some guys place drunk I wouldn’t even care anymore if she fucked him or not.
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
The best approach is to be very direct with no options. Choice confuses them, and gives them power. So instead of saying
just say
The answer to the second questions is yes/no. You decide the date, the venue and the time. She is either on board or not. If she says shes busy that day, you say 'too bad - here's my number in case you change your mind.' and don't offer a second option. Never offer a second option. 9 times out of 10 she doesn't have anything booked that thursday, she is just playing her silly games. if she does change her mind - then you know that she wants it. You know for sure you are getting some.
In my view, game is all about finding out. You need to find out asap if you are going to get some, before wasting hours of time on texts and orbiting. Women instinctively want to prolong the finding out stage. You need to push the agenda. But push it in a way that implies that she is just one of many, and that if he hesitates, you will be taking out some other chick on thursday instead of her. (you don't have to say that, you need to imply that). scarcity + mild dread + social proof + loss aversion + fomo ...that's who you do it.
Another point - if you lay down your one good offer (thursday night, drinks, 9pm zyz venue) and she doesn't bite, then wrap up the convo fairly soon. I prefered to give them my number rather than ask for her number. It means that if they ring, you're getting some. It filters out the time wasters, free loaders and friend zoners. Giving your number is a power move. It means you don't care that much. It's also a clear signal that you are not going to persue her, she needs to take steps.
This approach is all about assuming that YOU are the prize. It's all about demonstrating that a high value man is a rare and precious thing. Hoes and 'hot girls' are ten a penny. Chasing hot girls as if they were some sort of rarity is what causes the entitlement problem and bad behaviour in women.
Smile, look down on them, let them feel your power and size and strength (hugs, hand shakes etc) and then give them a good offer (don't amend the offer) and then cut the interview short. Make sure its you that leaves the interaction, not them. You've got places to go, people to see, women to shag.
Women really respond to this one tactic - you need to act 'as if'. If you don't act as if you are a catch, as if she is lucky to be even talking to you, then she won't feel that way. It's very easy to lead women to think they way you want them to think. Treat them like they're the prize and they will treat you like shit. Act as if you are the prize and they will act accordingly.
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Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Now you get it! It's all about how you act. Act as if you are a scarce resource, and behave that way. For example, it's a very powerful move to wrap up a convo early - rather than wait for her to run out of interest. that's part of why I say give your number rather than asking for hers - if you ask for hers, she could say no (power is with her). Giving your number is your chance to end the interaction early and signal that you are already a bit tired of her, and you are going to go off and hit on another woman. And do it early. Leave the convo early. She will be wondering the following...
Why did he give me his number? Usually guys ask me for my number.... hhhmmm. He must be busy chatting up hundreds of chicks and does not have the time to be calling - therefore he is chad, therefore my pussy is already wet.
why did he wrap up early? I was enjoying that convo...he must have places to go, other women to meet - therefore he is chad...
No-Stress-Cat 2y ago
Here's how I play at hard-to-get:
Me: How about we go get a bite to eat sometime?
Her: "Maybe"
Me: *pulls her hair*
Her "YES!"
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