So I’ve been on a 5 month cycle I went from 185 to 208 currently. I’m 208 with some body fat but I am not fat at all nor 6pack lean. I look like a corn fed white boy in a good way, that big buff burly physique but lean-ish.
Guys and women stare at me in public all the time. Especially hotter women. But I have noticed lots of average or below average women act like I don’t exist where before I used to grab their attention. They will blank me out and then a hot girl will follow me around store isles to get my attention
I also notice that most men are scared of me (due to my new size) but recently a lot of what I consider to be beta male/omega types will smirk in my presence and try to challenge me in subtle ways (never physically but sort of talking to me bitterly and passive aggressive with attitude)— is this normal? I never got challenged at 200 lbs it seems that I’m becoming a bigger fish guys want to challenge to test themselves?
Part of me is thinking I may be walking around like a cocky asshole. Or thst I’m getting a lil too big for my frame (5-11”) and actually lowering my SMV because getting too wide can make you look weird and unproportional. But then I get hotter women which makes me think I’m on the right path. I don’t feel like I’m getting chubbier but instead looking more like a collegiate athlete as I keep scratching past the 200 mark. But I know there will eventually be a point of diminishing returns in SMV and I don’t plan on figuring out what that number is for me so I will cut once I hit 210. Anyways, Thoughts?
PS When I was 5-11/200 it was a sweet spot of attraction and respect. Now I’m 208 still lean but seems more polarizing. I am a solid 208 and I’ve had some women ask if I play professional baseball or college football, so it’s a quality build not a bodybuilder type. I’m 25.
whytehorse2021 3y ago
I recall hearing about how women's attraction works. They found something like 247 different things they can be attracted to. Since you upgraded one of those attraction points, it now triggers women differently. For some you're too muscular, for others you're just right. For some you're too fat, for others you're just right.
As for men, we kinda know in our hindbrain when we see something unnatural. Guys who take roids start to look unnatural at some point. Look at some before and after photos of The Rock and you'll see what I mean. Given that most guys will instantly recognize this, they may change their behaviour. They probably get one of the fight/flight/freeze reactions depending on how they view the unnatural, whether it's a threat or not.
desbryant 3y ago
Good insight to consider. As for the men part, I don’t think I’m in the “not human” zone of steroids yet. I am more in the collegiate athlete realm of size which can be interpreted by most men as good genetics and hard work
It’s only my first cycle. I don’t quite yet think there is a diminishing return on my increased size. It’s like if you saw a D1 athlete in person at the store they would look like a specimen not so much a steroid freak generally.
As far as the women part goes you’re right. All that matters to me is that I’m unlocking hotter women, seems to be the case so far. I like women with thicc bodies and usually when I see them in public they are receptive to me and the skinnier girls blank me out. It’s tripping me out how some pretty girls think I’m out their league now. Then I look at their boyfriends and understand why
whytehorse2021 3y ago
Spoiler: Most athletes take steroids. They're just good at not getting caught. Pure testosterone suspension is undetectable after a few weeks.
desbryant 3y ago
Trust me I know. But I meant that there is levels to it and people associate steroids with freaks 265 pounds 5’11 with veins all over. That’s unattractive and obviously diminishing returns in the dating department, and will outcast you as “the steroid guy” outside of fitness circles
Right now I can be mistaken as having really good genetics minus the steroids. There’s plausible deniability. I feel like that’s where the hate comes from, it’s not because they think I’m unnatural and juicing
With the auto rejecting women I think I’m just out their league now. And not used to the reactions I need to readjust and reassess my new place in the sexual market
whytehorse2021 3y ago
I wouldn't say it's SMV if you go from jacked to a little more jacked. It's more like preference. If you were to turn it around and make it from a man's perspective, I like Asian women. I like thin women. Even though Latinas have the same black hair, eyes, skin, height, etc they're too fat for me. Other guys disagree and say the Asians are too skinny.
Ultimately, if you get into body building, you'll be down to a very small pool of women who are highly attracted to that. On the male side, only a very small pool of men like women who are all fake lipped, fake boobed, botoxed, etc.
So there's like a point of diminishing returns, unless you like the chicks that like the more jacked guys. I think you get the biggest pool with the swimmer physique combined with the perfect shoulder to hip ratio. Next you'd go for facial symmetry to up SMV. Then money, then game.
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dongking 3y ago
Depends what sort of roids. TRT isn't stupid for example. Most celebs and HNWI are on it for a reason.
But I agree that 25 is a little bit early.
desbryant 3y ago
I was actually on TRT initially for genuine reasons for a year and figured why not do a cycle, I’m already fit lifting naturally but I always felt as if I was 10 (muscle) pounds away from an impressive physique. if i come off I can keep the gains on TRT after. Currently that’s where I’m at. Honestly like where I’m at now not interested in doing another cycle.
dongking 3y ago
208 at 5'11 is well sized but not huge by any means. Specially if you're not rocking a solid 6 pack. So I think it's more in your head.
Keep building and dgaf. If you go full tren-mode and end up at 240-250+ chiseled, yea you'll look a bit weird considering your height.
Imo around 220/100kg is peak physique for most males around 6 feet. Then you'll have that thick, masculine and proper wide frame without looking ridiculous. The youtubers "buff dudes" is a good example of what I mean, I think they're 6'2-6'3 and slightly heavier than 220.
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Intrepid_Place53900 1 3y ago
In a public setting (no alcohol, etc)
The lower girls blank you out.
If you are like an 8 SMV, these girls who are like 5-6 or below, will probably look at you quickly, a widening of the eyes, or a wistful look, smirk, then quickly they get an annoyed expression and summarily ignore you.
What's going on in their head?
They like what they see. They realize, he's too much for me, I could F him, I can't keep him, he's too much above me. It annoys them.
It's that simple.
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Intrepid_Place53900 1 3y ago
(would they turn him down)?
In this setting, yes.
If it was a party night, with drinks,etc. probably not if they wanted some casual sex. But they realize, it's likely only casual. Girls pick the time and place for casual.
mattyanon Admin 3y ago
They know you're out of their league. Awesome.
they're intimidated so react irrationally.
blah blah blah SMV ..... do you get hot girls? that's all that matters.
The problem with your thinking is that all this is looking for numbers and recognition.... but it's all a distraction from the truth: what girls can you get.