So we talked a little bit. Can't say I was super interesting, I have very little experience talking to women so it was the general chitchat about college and stuff. But she did look into me. She was putting her face close to mine.

Despite your boring ass chat, she wanted to kiss you.

I said "wanna kiss?" and then she said "that was a bit too straight forward" and I think she said "you should've just went for it" but I can't remember.

She does not want to admit she wants to kiss you, because to the paranoid female brain she fears rejection. "Do you want to kiss" is asking for her interest while declaring none of your own. Women fucking hate that.

Women like sex stuff to JUST HAPPEN.... talking about it openly is dumb as fuck. She almost certainly did say "you should have just done it", because that's the obvious thing to say.

Her romantic dream is that you kiss her. Her romantic dream IS NOT being asked if she wants it.

This is basic shit, dude.

So like I knew would happen, she did nothing with him and left again, this time talking to a girl who she started making out with for the rest of the time I was there. For the first few minutes she would look to see if i'm looking, unless i'm delusional.So like I knew would happen, she did nothing with him and left again, this time talking to a girl who she started making out with for the rest of the time I was there. For the first few minutes she would look to see if i'm looking, unless i'm delusional.

Good chance she's playing the jealousy game and/or trying to make herself feel better and massage her ego. A girl who goes and does this with a girl in front of you IS A TERRIBLE PERSON, by the way.

So basically, was what I did really this much of a turn-off?

Yes yes yes.

She looked like she wanted to kiss me, but I didn't know for sure. I didn't think it would completely make her lose interest.

Well, let's see.

She stares at you. You talk to her and she puts her face close to hers. This is as big a green light as women ever give you, so let me tell you two things that will help you in future:

One: You don't need to be certain. 50% is good enough. Make it happen at 50% probability she likes you. Women do not give 100% clear signals, so you need to stop waiting for them. Her romantic-sex-dream is "and then he took me as his sex slave", it is not "and then I told him verbally that I want him to make a move right this very second". Learn to make things happen rather than waiting for clear signals.

Two: Here's how to kiss a woman in situations like this, because this is fucking golden. Faces closer together than normal. Bodies closer together. It feels intimate. Maintain body contact if possible (eg your leg pressing against hers, or similar). This helps but is optional. Then do triangular gazing. Look at her left eye, then her right eye, then look at her lips for a few seconds. This will create the perfect kiss bubble. Slowly tilt your head so your noses don't collide. Open your lips slightly and slowly move your face towards hers, moving your hands around her head or body as you start to kiss, then pull her close, FOR A FEW SECONDS.... then pull away and chat as normal. Rinse repeat.

The beauty of this is that she has some warning, it feels exciting for her, and she allows it to happen. Even if it doesn't quite happen, after the triangular gazing she knows it could happen, and she'll let you create more opportunities for the kissing. Why? Because she wants it and you're clearly smooth as fuck.

You don't have to make it happen on any exact second. Women don't give you a 1 second window. She's happy to wait for the perfect moment, but at the point where you demonstrate that you're socially miscalibrated, she'll give up.

Triangular gazing. You're welcome.

Also, was there anything I could've done to fix this after the "wanna kiss"?

Yes....... you make it happen. But just don't say dumbass shit like that in future.

. Eventually I said something stupid because I was drunk and didn't know how else to move it forward. I said "wanna kiss?" and then she said "that was a bit too straight forward" and I think she said "you should've just went for it" but I can't remember.

Here was the rare woman who was nice enough to actually tell you exactly what you did wrong, and not lie about it, and you're not taking the hint.

So basically, was what I did really this much of a turn-off? She looked like she wanted to kiss me, but I didn't know for sure. I didn't think it would completely make her lose interest.

"I don't believe it!"

"That is why you fail."

Also, was there anything I could've done to fix this after the "wanna kiss"?

Yes.

You could have found another woman, chatted her up, and gone for the kiss without asking first.

I think you know the answer. Lack of experience on your part. You talked about boring stuff, which didn't give her tingles at all, and then asked her for a kiss. Good on you for making a move, got to give you that. Once she started talking to some other dude, you should have done the same. Start talking with another girl, and make her jealous, even though you shouldn't do it on purpose, it should be, because she no longer interests you.

Instead, she went and talked to some other dude, while you were wondering what you did wrong. Chased her, showing her you have no other options, and basically blew all your shots with her. Like I said, it all comes down to experience. Work on your game, and if it doesn't work out with a woman, move on to the next one. There's no shame in failing, what matters is learning from your experience. So stop talking about boring shit, and NEVER ask a girl for a kiss, just do whatever the fuck you want, and stop overthinking.

Hahah I enjoy seeing someone else besides me being a rookie at this shit. I've only recently started gaining some experience, still far from any player status, but here are my 2 cents.

Lets point the good things out first - you've got the balls to actually shoot your shot, good job, just this alone will help you out a lot. I struggle with approaching/breaking the ice with strangers, I am like a fish in the sea if I'm introduced/have mutual friends/hobbies, so keep that up. Expect rejections but don't get discouraged, just treat them as a learning experience.

The "wanna kiss?" isn't inherently bad, it's not good imo, but it all depends on the tonality. If you say it like a little bitch, i.e. "w-w-wanna k-kiss with m-me, a bi-big loser", then yeah, don't need to explain, but if you say it with confidence, you would be ok (would want to see what other people reading this may think, as this is just my limited experience/thoughts).

The "that was a bit too straight forward" was a test imo. You should've made a joke of it, not taking it seriously and exaggerating it, i.e. "well fuck I ruined the opportunity and now my life is over". Making it really fucking obvious you're exaggerating is key, it is the difference between you coming off as a loser by making it sound genuine, and you coming off as a chilled out guy who is clearly playing. You could've flipped it on her if you're feeling ballsy and said something along the lines of "them eyes you were giving me seemed like a mixed signal", which would've probably raised the tension a little in a good way.

Getting the drinks isn't a beta move necessarily, it depends on the reason and how many. Buying one drink because you actually want to buy her one isn't anything bad, just don't buy any random 403 one, only after they spend some time and seem 'worthy' of one.

If the guy was acting cocky and said that, I would've either just laughed and said "I'll see you later" to the girl, or purposefully say "You two have my blessing, I'll leave you to it" and probably laugh a little as well and walk off and have more fun with others. I treat this shit as a test as well, so same as before, just relax, don't be a weak bitch and get all insecure. Do not fucking walk up and be like "b-b-but I bought you a DRINK! WE ALMOST KISSED" (exaggeration, I don't imagine you'd say anything of this sort).

I get why you probably asked - you don't want to 'catch a charge', or at least you use that as an excuse, I do too even now as well, I'm quite slow on the pull, but even when I was slow I would eventually make out with the girl at some point, if anything it raises tension and shows you're not desperate, depending on how you act.

No it wasn't a turn off, you failed the shit test then she threw in another shit test to see how desperate you would be and trying to get you to be jealous.

BUT, with that said, don't regret this, you approach, experienced it yourself, and now you had a reason to make a post on here, which led me to writing this reply and I hope helping out with my limited experience.

She was right, you should have to just gone for it.

Some times in game it's better to ask for forgiveness instead of permission. It's easier to go for the kiss and her not be receptive or ready than to ask about it and turn her off

Unless you're doing some gropey shit out of nowhere, women are not going to view a kiss attempt as malicious or weird unless there is no reason to try to kiss her at all. In this case there was tension and your faces were close, that was good reason

Also, control your drinking, you shouldn't get drunk, will ruin your game and decision making

Well in hindsight it's all gonna sound like you messed up big time, but it was a club,you had some booze and took your shot, Wich was a straightforward,no-nonsense approach. Its all good,just keep in mind going in for the kiss next time without asking for it