So recently I’ve been having issues where the start of the date goes amazingly well but the end of the date dramatically starts fizzling out in terms of energy . Here’s how my last two dates with separate girls went
- Did kino super early on so by the middle of the date girls were holding my hand & touching me excessively
- lots of teasing and playfulness
- both girls randomly started complimenting my looks
- both dates were pool/bowling (so girls were having fun)
- both girls asked me wether we’re going to see each other again
- let them do majority of the talking -made out with both of them and I was the first one to pull away
I have zero issues gaining a girls interest but at the end of the date both girls started yawning and the convo seemed to die when I brought them to my car to make out.
I’m thinking the issue might be one of the following . My dates might be too long? Both dates were around 2 to 2 hours and half. The other issue I’m thinking is that I’m going for the make out too late into the date ? On both my dates I kissed the girls at around the 2 hour mark.
Another possibility my RP aware buddy said to me was that these girls viewed me as some “chad “ that was going to have sex with them on the first date but were left disappointed when i just went for a basic make out( I dont even know if I would consider it a make out , I literally just kissed them and didn’t grab ahold of their goods) .I’m not to sold on this possibility but to be fair the one girl I took out for bowling dm’ed me after I posted a gym selfie on my insta story and the other girl kept mentioning how “hot “ I was during the date. If this is the issue , then I guess the solution would be to go for car sex. It would be even better if just took them back to my place but I’m currently finishing college so I’m still living with my parents .
Both these dates were last weekend. And both these girls left me on read. Any insight would be appreciated in order to avoid these mistakes again.
whytehorse2021 3y ago
You forgot the part where you're supposed to put your dick in them. You completely wasted their time.
wheytosmall 3y ago
I’m not sure if you’re being a troll or not but I completely agree.
whytehorse2021 3y ago
I'm not trolling. I'm bi so I totally understand the female side here. Nothing more annoying than a guy who sits there in the bedroom and talks your ear off while you're waiting to get fucked. Like is there something wrong with this guy?
wheytosmall 3y ago
What would your advise be then for first dates were I can’t bring them back to my place due to me living with my parents ( in my last semester of uni ) ? Car sex?
whytehorse2021 3y ago
I've done the car sex thing. Also had girls over while my parents were at work. Even snuck a few in through the window. Did a few at parties in the back room. Honestly, if you're a Senior at university you really need to sit down and have an adult conversation with your parents about the house rules. I was a teenager when I had to sneak around. Didn't need to do that as an adult. Maybe there were rules about people sleeping over, locking the doors when they left, etc but at some point you gotta be an adult.
nicknack 3y ago
When I was in this situation I only dated girls with their own place, or had sex in the car.
wheytosmall 3y ago
I’ve dealt with girls that had their own place before but was only invited over after 3+ dates. Any tips for inviting yourself to a girls place earlier ?
nicknack 3y ago
I usually said “I would invite you to my place, if it had it to myself tonight, let’s go somewhere else more tonight I’ll try to find some open places” and usually they are tired of being out in town anyway and want to fuck so they invite me to their place.
wheytosmall 3y ago
That’s pretty smooth. I might have to steal that from you.
coolsocks00 1 3y ago
Lackluster ending. They thought you were a guy who "gets it" and you werent, so they got disappointed.
Next time aim for a kiss mid date, not at the end. Keep escalating and using push/pull and you can be fucking her brains out in the car a bit later.
wheytosmall 3y ago
I think you're completely right. I'll definitely take your advice and implement it into my next dates. Thank you.
Do you have any good physical push/pull examples that would help me escalate? I usually have no trouble incorporating verbal push/pull but when it comes to physical push/pull , I feel like I do way to much of the "push" aspect. The only good physical push/pull I incorporate is being the first one to pull away from kisses.
coolsocks00 1 3y ago
Same goes for all touch. Initiate escalating touches but be the first one to pull away. Then re engage as long as she's receptive.
Obviously you start early on in the date with non sexual and incidental touch. Then go on to overt touching, kissing, holding, feeling her up.
Usually it's enough to just stop escalating for a bit and continue in a few minutes or so. I.e no backtracking. If you encounter LMR you might have to backtrack a few times or do a freeze out and maybe exit if that doesnt work.
wheytosmall 3y ago
It seems like I incorporate a lot of these already. I’ll be sure to follow the rest of your advice . Thanks a lot for your insight . You made me realize my mistakes.
Guyandtheroadtovictory 3y ago
Dude was so into date, that he forgot to make love
wheytosmall 3y ago
Honestly I need more of you guys to clown me . Maybe then I’ll shake of this blue pilled idea that “good girls“ won’t have car sex on the first date.
coolsocks00 1 3y ago
Not every girl will. And it's not like dates are doomed if you dont go for it. It's something you have to get a feel for. Going for same night lays when the logistics are set up for it will give make her interest levels clearer. It might put sceptical girls off you, get you the hard yes ones who expect it, and set the right expectations with the ones that are adamant about not fucking on the first date for whatever reason.
wheytosmall 3y ago
I think I’m just going to start pushing for sex no matter what . I’ll stop waisting my time on low interest girls but more importantly I’ll stop losing these girls that are super high interest.
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wheytosmall 3y ago
If a girl is not willing to have full on car sex in the first date but is willing to do other sexual things (bj’s, fingering, ect.) , is the best option to just settle for those things . Or is better to keep the date short without doing anything sexual and push for sex on the following dates?
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nicknack 3y ago
Last year I got a high school girl out (18 year old senior), and she always had to go home after school, couldn’t logistically get her to my place because of her parents (I lived on the other side of town). First time we just hung out, got coffee and I kissed her in the car. Second time i got a handy. Third time a bj. Basically did this all in the car until I got her to my house finally (she said she’s sleeping at her girlfriends house). In my opinion, better something than nothing, and after the first date I need to start getting some action (even a handy) or I’m looking elsewhere.
wheytosmall 3y ago
18-22 year olds is were it’s at. The two girls that left me on read were 19 and 20 .
So you’re of the opinion that getting some sexual action is better than nothing? I remember reading an article saying something about how you should only get sexual with a girl (bj , handy ) when you’re certain it’s going to lead to full on sex . Otherwise you run the risk of cock blocking yourself because the girl will feel like a slut for giving you a bj so early on and won’t put out in the future. It might have just been some PUA garbage that I read because what you guys are advising makes way more sense.
nicknack 3y ago
Absolutely it’s better to get head than nothing. She gets nothing out of it and you get a solid nut and her submission. I prefer head to sex nowadays honestly. It’s a handjob that’s debatable, but sometimes I’d honestly prefer the hj too, but I’m an old cat who’s has a lot of sex.
wheytosmall 3y ago
You’re completely right . Thanks a lot for your insight !
By the way, if you’re an older dude , how are you meeting younger girls? Online dating or something else? I never want to stop banging 20 yr olds when I’m older .
nicknack 3y ago
Well I’m 30, online that seems to classify as older nowadays. I meet early 20’s women online but the late teens in person, I don’t have as good luck with them online.
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nicknack 3y ago
How’d you meet her? I get matches easily online but not with girls that are 21 and under. I think it’s because I literally don’t show up to 90% of them who probably put their age range something like 18-26
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TRPPRT2021 3y ago
Not OP and I'm 22 and a bit, how do you go about meeting them in person, or even finding them? Is cold approach really successful, especially in slightly socially repressed countries, i.e. UK?
nicknack 3y ago
I spent my time in between an Eastern European country and the USA. It’s easier to do so in EE as there are cafes and bars on every corner full of girls. I think the UK is the same but I’ve only been to London for a few days so idk. I just go every day for a coffee or Coke Zero and sit near the hottest girl there and say something - anything, and if she’s interested she’ll keep the convo going if not she’ll kill it right there. Pretty simple but honestly it took me years to build up the balls to do this / skill to keep the convo interesting. In the US it’s not so easy as nobody goes to cafes, and bars are 21+ full of trashy sluts. The last teen girl I pulled in the US I approached her and her friend at the mall, because they were already eyeing me and giggling.
TRPPRT2021 3y ago
I see, so it's all in my head/in the head of self-doubting losers who say "approaching in public in UK doesn't work because bla-bla"?
I actually am from the EE, well, arguably Central lol, but I lived here in the UK for most of my life. I really wish I could move back, but the finances are what keeps me grounded and shackled here. I find every single girl that I've talked to who was from my culture far far more attractive, feminine and just overall more fun to be around, whereas here, yeah, just Westernised and brainwashed for the most part. I ddon't have to go into the details of what else I prefer in my home country compared to here, besides finances, because that can be answered with one word - everything; culture, weather, the fucking architecture which isn't so urban-jungle like.
Whilst I'm here, do you recommend any resources for amassing wealth/starting your own business/hustles? I really do not want to be a fucking wage slave who is excited about a 2% pay rise, if that, but I just struggle with the implementation and ideas. Currently i'm just learning, but unfortunately that's not enough yet
nicknack 3y ago
The moment our girls go west they become the same western trash hoes as we are used to. They don’t come across as bad because their mothers, grandmother, aunts, are still mentally sane and ground her, something native western women don’t have. So she won’t get the gross tattoos, dress like a complete slut or be an open-book cumrag, but she still has the same ugly western mindset of putting herself first. A wolf in sheep’s clothing, a Trojan horse. I tend to stay away from them in the west as at least with native western girls they’re honest about being who they are: recreational use only. For girls in EE, date them there and never bring them back west, and enjoy.
Approaching in public absolutely works anywhere, it doesn’t really matter the culture it’s more so a matter of logistics. I’ve fucked lots of western girls who were at their job, at the mall, at the grocery store. The truth about all public approaches is it’s all about how hot she finds you. You can walk up to her and say “banana apple spaceship” and if she finds you hot it’ll works. What you say doesn’t matter at all. Most won’t find you that hot, so don’t take it personal or think you said the wrong thing.
For wealth creation I don’t know much bro. I got a remote job making in 100k so I’ve been too comfortable to create wealth. That’s something im learning as well.