I recall that before Andrew Tate, Kevin Samuels was perhaps the most well-known figure in the manosphere. However, Andrew Tate became even more famous.
I wonder what event or factor contributed to Andrew Tate and the redpill becoming well-known. It is possible that Andrew Tate is a reflection of the post-pandemic world. During the pandemic, many women turned to online dating and began experimenting with more extreme forms of hypergamy. My theory is that after the pandemic ended, these women did not return to their previous standards, and more average men have been excluded from the dating market.
Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
Lol absolutely not.
drake 2y ago
Absolutely no.
Red pill is much more than what he says.
ESPN 2y ago
It is becoming more well-known but it is a FAR ways from being consider "mainstream".
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Absolutely. The SHTF when Samuels hit 1million subs. I don't know if that was just coincidence or...? Then F&F hit 1 million subs. Next thing you know Andrew Tate owns the youtube algo and went so mainstream they banned him. And finally Rollo is on Dr. Phil. I just watched F&F do some British fake dating show called "Grilling" or whatever. I don't know how much more mainstream you can get.
The real question we should be asking, as Rollo points out, is WHO is representing the red pill in the mainstream? Is it Destiny? Sneako?
ESPN 2y ago
This is probably a dumb question but who is Samuels?
whytehorse2021 2y ago
He's a black red pill content creator on youtube with a penchant for giving modern women free advice. https://www.youtube.com/@byKevinSamuels
He died a couple months ago but his content is still up.
helpfulguy22 2y ago
Ya I do think it is more mainstream now for the reason you gave. That being said having knowledge of red pill and executing it is two different things. To me the core principle of the red pill has nothing to do with women, but rather improving your self to get the best in life in all categories not just women. That takes discipline, sacrifice and work ethic, and not everyone is capable of that even if they have the knowledge.
User4566 2y ago
Yes and no.
I feel redpill stuff was mainstream without tate.
Alphamindset 2y ago
It was on the rise but it wasn''t mainstream until all these podcast platforms like F&F started regurgitating the same talking points.
User4566 2y ago
Basically.
Alphamindset 2y ago
There were dozens of rp content creators floating Youtube. The Fresh and Fit podcast imo made it mainstream. They had Tate on even though he was famous before the podcast, he was famous for different things. He was a world kickboxing champ and appeared on multiple tv shows and podcasts.
Bulba 2y ago
If you asked someone outside the redpill demographic who is Fresh and Fit ( e.g. married boomers, cute college girls ), they probably wouldn’t be able to answer. But everyone and your dog knows who’s Tate
Alphamindset 2y ago
People may know Tate but that doesn't mean they know him through RP. They know him for his apparent "Masogany takes" and being interviewed through other platforms. They don't even know what RP means, that's a buzzword. Tate does not advocate RP, he doesn't even claim to be red pill. If you watched his content you should know this. He just happens to hold similar talking points to people in the RP space because they typically want the same things. (Money, Fame, Status). F&F often use the term RP in their talking points. They have put on multiple people in the RP space on their platform along with Celebrities and recently reached 1m subscribers on YouTube. They bring even Rollo tomassi on fairly often. They are fairly known.
NewReligionOfSociology 2y ago
If it isn't, it soon will be. Because of women's behavior. It's getting worse. Do you know why guys who are 6 out of 10 in-the-face or lower simply can't get a single match on Tinder or Bumble that leads anywhere? Do you know where the women are actually seeking a date, a man, a long-term or short-term partner? Do you know where women actually message the guy first -- (instead of waiting for him to make degrading amounts of effort and then only writing brief responses to him, despite the fact he might be 2 points higher than her in looks, and even moreso in status and wealth, like they do on convential dating apps?) Do you know that in this place, it's not just women who are losers, but average women and even educated women? So where is it? It's Seeking (Seeking Arrangement). Congrats if you got it right. Make a profile of yourself on there, and you will get 20 women messaging you a day with zero effort. You don't even have to embellish your wealth. THAT'S where women are searching for their partner now. Many of them have "tired of being messed around, want something serious and long-term" in their profile. On a site basically for prostitution. That's what they're writing. There's all-kinds of women on there. 18 and up. 30s, 40s, 50s. Beautiful, ugly. Whores, and whatever qualifies as not-a-whore. Drug addicts. Educated women. Lawyers, businesswomen. All of them. Married women. Women with boyfriend(s). Women who are already millionaires. They're on there for luxury (it's like no amount of wealth is enough), or they're on there for commitment (cue canned laughter).
I wonder if it will get worse. Really seems like we're descending into Hades. There's got to be a limit, right?
Dxmx99 2y ago
Personally, I feel like things aren't as bad as they're made out to be in the manosphere.
Become red pill aware, and go out and find girls to fuck for real. Should be all there is to it. Forget Tate, forget commitment, forget needing HB8s and HB10s, smash a 6, 7 , 4s just get it wet. Go experience and learn. That's all we can really do.