Just approached HB8 with great tits sitting down studying with her laptop. Convo opener was something like “that’s a big water bottle.” She had some stickers on it and I said “this space is empty, I can give you some Rick and morty stickers.”
She said she didn’t watch show, and was giving 0 IOIs. Asked her what she’s studying and she said she’s already teaching and is transferring internationally for school and said she’s 24 when I asked her age. Nothing after that so I left.
Tried to play pong this convo and had nothing to go off of. My fault if I was being direct and talking about the boring shit (school and studies). Just really having tough times with these school girls.
Edit: just approached an HB5.5-6 and she was more receptive to talking. Opened with the office sticker on her laptop. Think getting # right off the bat without fumbling would’ve been asking too much of myself plus I’ll see her around.
MyBoyJob 1y ago
Alot of this could just ber random chance, like what if she was a RM fan? Might have gone better. Or maybe she was on the rag and feeling fat and didn't feel like talking...
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Dude, study London day game. The biggest beginner mistake is to interview the girl. It sounds like you're good at opening but you gotta OPEN->STACK->VIBE->INVEST->CLOSE. https://niplav.github.io/doc/game/beginners_guide_to_daygame_torero_2018.pdf
68great 1y ago
Wow that link puts into words, what I have sometimes stumbled upon myself. Thanks.
imtranscending 1y ago
Just read the whole thing, thank you for sending this and reminding me of this strategy. I’m now going to go back and find the other comment where you left more resources about LDG.
Why does pickup have to be like this, getting her to invest more than you and all? Was this a natural skill guys in the past have but we’ve currently lost or what? Has social media changed how we interact that much so we’re forced us to engineer these theories?
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
It's just one of many blueprint style ways of approaching. Doesnt have to be that complicated really.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
After decades of trying things and men comparing notes, only a handful of things have been successful for guys who aren't a 9 or 10. I don't know why getting them to invest works. I think it's more like an IOI or choosing signal. If you don't get that signal, move on to the next woman. You can adapt it for your situation where you've already got them sitting alone so you can skip the whole part about stopping them.
There's a much more advanced technique called neuro-linguistic programming. You can get a woman to experience an emotion by asking her to recall a memory and the emotions she had at that time, and then anchor that emotion to something in the present. For example have her tell you about the happiest day of her life and describe the emotions. Then apply a little kino so she associates that emotion with you and kino. Richard Bandler invented it way back in 70s and very few people know about it. It got kinda out of hand with people doing all kinds of retarded things, doing seminars, selling books, etc.
For the longest time, women were shrouded in mystique. Social norms and protocols developed so that men and women could get together and live in harmony. It was called the Patriarchy. We've departed so far from patriarchy and on to female supremacy that men had to adapt. The game changed. So we reverse-engineered women with studies and field reports, compared notes, and now we have a very robust theory based on evolutionary psychology and biology. Now we can play their game like chessmasters. And they hate it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
You've said you're a self-decribed 6 and you approached an 8, that has something to do with it. You're probably more of a 7 if . going off how ripped you are in your tinder photos but I digress
If you approach a chick that is higher smv than you then it will always be a factor, but not necessarily a rejection
Obviously your game didn't captive her but in your case it's in all honesty better for you to be underwhelming than overwhelming while you learn to play pong. I think your problem is you skipped the basics and now you're having to learn the basics.
It's gonna suck for a bit but you need this experience to be where you want to be. Don't feel bad about it. I had a post about two months ago where guys called me out for skipping the basics and the second I went back to the basics I was skipping over I'm getting pussy, dates, k, and number closes again. I was getting rejected left and right for a month or two straight before posting that, you I think you just need to focus on basics for a bit, which you tried so that's good
As for the hb6, yeah some of that I'd just smv differential but I'm one of Todd Valentine's videos he says to make.the opener about them somehow. Gets their attention more and makes it more polarized from the start. AGHayden also has a video where he purposefully has a "boring conversation" with a girl but does it properly so he still gets the date. Can't find this video to save my life.
A lot of this is just going to be figuring out the right flow and vibe and starting pace for a chick you chat with. That's step 1, step 2 is the actual conversation, step 3 is the pre-close vibe/banter and step 4 is the actual close.
You're kind of in a place where you need to work on 1 and 2 primarily and I'm confident you have what it takes already to do 3 and 4 if you don't do it in a forced way.
Todd V
https://youtube.com/c/ToddVDating
imtranscending 1y ago
I'm a 6, maybe a 6.5 but definitely not a 7. Those tinder photos were taking in the best lighting with a beast pump.
I agree, better to start more slowly.
I'm also now studying London Day game and will make an effort to run at least 2 sessions a week. In the PDF @whytehorse2021 linked, it says to go out at least 3 times a week. Between maintaining my 4.0 for scholarships, boxing and gym for leveling up myself and SMV and theatre / drama I can only run it twice. Maybe I can do 3 times in the future, I'm working on becoming more efficient with my time. Just need consistency in this area to start seeing improvements.
I'll start watching some Todd V videos now
Thanks for helping me on this, I've had plenty of work on 3-4 cause I'd religiously study shit tests. I need to start with the fundamentals so I can piece it all together.
This is the world we live in now. Being nice and trying to have a genuine conversation from the start is boring. I have power within me to be unlocked. and I'll use it for good. I went back and saw someone linked me this pickup motivation video. In the video Austin emphasizes both parties having a good time, and that's what I'm about. Sharing joy and making memories. I just need to be good at game to reach that level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHQW1s5FzkY&t=75s
User4566 1y ago
I made a post on this the other day, you should check it out
imtranscending 1y ago
Found it and will read it
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User4566 1y ago
I'm not super tech-savy on this site. He should be able to find it in asktrp
Peter_Henderson 1y ago
If you are cold-approaching an HB8, you better have sky-high SMV or impeccable game.
imtranscending 1y ago
Airtight game, especially if my SMV is lower