So back in the day when people followed social norms and religions that promoted monogamy and healthy relationships between people who genuinely liked each other both physically and emotionally and rationally, which put down promiscuousness and such...sounds like much better times. Women properly respected men (and vice versa), people had more sensible gender roles, men were men and were not told to hold back their masculinity, women were women and were not told to be more masculine.
With all this gone out the window, what we have is a bunch of promiscuous women and fewer men even having sex because of less monogamy. We also have children being raised in worse family situations because there are less nuclear families. We have women who resort to stupid hierarchical rating systems like height because so many guys are pussies that's all they have to go by.
How on earth do people think this is a fulfilling way to live life?
Sure, us men can learn game and looks max and make money and such. But what does that get us? Sex?
What's there to be gained from this sex that we get from "spinning plates" (AKA cheating)? When I look back at at my life when I'm 70, I am not going to be like "Man, having sex with the 20 girls I spun when I was 30 was the most valuable thing I could have ever done". I probably will have completely forgotten them.
So what is the meaning in chasing this stuff if girls are just going to treat you like an object, have sex with you until it ends, and then move on?
The idea promoted by most religions and by traditional values makes a lot of sense - not being promiscuous and settling down early with one person takes the stress of finding a mate out of your brain's "RAM" so you could be more productive and focus on more meaningful things. Rationally, that sounds like a lot better deal than just sex with girl after girl that feels good but means nothing and requires a lot of time, money and effort that could be going to something more meaningful, like building a business or writing a book. Something that you can look back on when you are dying and think confidently "I am proud that I did that".
I could understand a few casual flings when you are starting out to get a feel for the waters, but keeping up this lifestyle forever doesn't make any sense.
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imtranscending 1y ago
What about south American countries?
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Completely agree. Those days are gone, and they're not coming back, at least not in our lifetimes. All we can do is focus on ourselves, and our own meaning in life, in the here and now. We have to adapt to the changes, and stop looking back. If we don't find what we're looking for here, there a bazillions of other places on this planet left to explore. All we have to do is get enough balls to go find it.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
yes, we adapt, for our benefit. This is RP
example: Today, marriage? no Kids? you make agreements before any kids, prenup,etc. Doesn't mean it will work, but if you really want kids, it's tough. That's the real killer in today's world, if you want kids. The girl, not a big deal, easy to walk away from, kids? not
So, you protect your money, you don't spend money (together), her stuff is hers, yours is yours. You are ready to walk away, nothing really financially invested. Makes things a lot easier to move on from and also, she's not in it for the $$, if she knows she is not getting it
GrassIsGood 1y ago
Yes it's sad. I posted this knowing that people were probably going to say I sound like an incel/black pill/beta or whatever but I still posted it because it really is how I truly think.
I am not saying that I deny reality and that TRP can't be true or anything, in fact quite the opposite. I acknowledge most of what TRP promotes is based in actual observations and I see it myself that it's true. But I question how more people don't talk about how the west falling for all this crap has lessened the ability for people to find actual meaningful relationships.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
(the west is falling for all this crap and actual meaning relationships are rare)
Yup, so as RP teaches, you adapt it for what you want.
You plate girls and vet them along the way. If you are even interested in vetting. The real problem is for those guys who actually want a family, want kids. That is the game changer.
Like I said above, you vet and vet and do not intertwine finances with the girl. If she sticks around and kids come in play, then you are kind of stuck anyway, so you get a prenup done prior and try to protect as much as you can.
Then, you keep your options open, you lift, you stay fit, you continue with (YOUR) life. Sure, kids change that a lot, still make time for it though.
What I'm trying to say is you keep the game plan, don't get a dad bod, don't simp,etc. Be the guy that she wanted kids with. That will help a lot, you can only keep your part of the deal.
If she becomes a land whale or goes tinder shopping and he's done all that, then you did your part. You can't control her. I know RP say's it has to be his fault, she is a reflection of him. Well, I disagree a bit today. I think it's got a lot of truth to it, but with no fault divorce in US and the welfare state such that it is, women when they get (the ring), they have all the power. That's why I say (NO) to marriage. Marriage is for (her)
fumbor 1y ago
That’s what I’ve thought from the very start. I want one woman for the rest of my life. What I do agree with 100% is that she should absolutely not be promiscuous and follow my lead. But I have no enjoyment from getting multiple. Whatever fulfills you man.
Then again, I am open minded since I’m really willing to do whatever to get out of my hole. TRP is an excellent source of knowledge on female nature and how to act congruently with it.
GrassIsGood 1y ago
Yes, exactly.
Everything in moderation.
Ti123 1y ago
No it wasn’t better. Look at the men from the past they had a wife and a kids and after couple of years their lives turned miserable. I think through the struggle you start to find how to be happy, how to do things that please you and find exactly what is wrong and what is missing as long as you seek the truth and don’t turn towards consumption I think life becomes pretty good. This is for the first time that men had time to think about life and really follow what they want their life to be. You become better socially and really learn the power that you had. Most women learned all of that through their mothers and other women but most men were never taught any of that. Now after learning you could do whatever you want and I think it sucks a little when you are starting out but it is really a blessing that initial struggle because you are closer to the truth than the rosy past that a lot of men fantasize about. Once you see the whole picture instead of just whatever your focus was initially you find the picture bueatiful. Also a lot of men don’t understand here is that the expierience you give is the experience you get. So if you do things to cut people then you must have very high tolerance of getting cut also. Like the control you apply to people will also be applied to you so a lot of men want to control and have authority but don’t want to be disciplined. I know there is a lot of spill over from Reddit in here but men are equally replaceable as a woman. A lot of men have just given their power and gotten a little soft by all the phaggots around them and just haven’t seen men in power or just are too wrapped in their own struggles.
qstone 1y ago
It is about discovering what you want. I had ONS and LTRs. I realized I dont like having ONS. Yes, LTR is a risky business but a Good solid Frame and abundance mentality is good for dealing with these risks.
NeoSpartan 1y ago
I always felt like the whole point was to find a marriageable girl. You can't tell immediately so you have to date them them for awhile and get to know them. Spinning plates just speeds that slow process up a bit.
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whytehorse2021 1y ago
We live in a post-marriage society. If you want kids you just cum in a slut and she cucks a beta to pay for it. You can try to plug back into the matrix through traditionalism but the Church has been taken over by feminists to be "judgement free" so basically you're just cumming in a slut and being cucked anyway while fantasizing about romance and God and kinda-sorta-monogamy.
If you're not the apex alpha GigaChad you get to choose between being a cuck or going your own way. I went my own way back in 2005 and got an Indonesian Muslim from a poor family. She bore me 2 sons. After they're grown I can go be a dirty old man and fuck sluts in Cambodia or wherever until I die. I think that's about as good as it gets these days as a man.
Terra 1y ago
Thats also my conclusion, my first hold8days attempt failed tho
BTW do you know how settling is in purely gay community?
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Settling? In gay community? I don't think it exists. There isn't hypergamy in men. We date down.
Terra 1y ago
So gay never think about setting up real like familly?
Seeyeay 1y ago
You are learning that TRP isnt just about pickup. Its a stepping stone to self-actualization and in turn the possibility of becoming enlightened/ubersmench. Go look up the study of rats and mice called 'the beautiful ones'. That is where we are headed, you decide who you want to be. The only difference being that we will likely reach a degree of androgyny as we no longer need to use sperm or a womb to make children. It can all be genetically engineered. If youre curious go follow futurists forums and listen to the top people in the fields of biology and technology. We will either blow ourselves up or we will have a very forced version of evolution. Exponential curve my friend.