I was having a debate in the other thread about this. It seems red pill men are arguing that
- All women seem to have high n count these days so it shouldn't matter
- Whether she treats you right is more important than n count
To me, this makes little to no sense. Firstly, if you're meeting girls off dating apps, at bars, clubs, etc of course you're going to meet high n count women. You are all acting like every women out there has fucke hundreds of dudes. I think blue pill men underestimate how promiscious a girl is but red pill men overrestimate how often women sleep around. If you look in the right places you can easily find conservative women.
Secondly of all, a women treating you well should be the minimum. Like what the fuck? If a former porn star, who has had gang bangs, done black guys is treating you well you should accept her past or you are "insecure". Um no. How tf does it make you insecure if you don't want a former whore as a girlfriend?
I'm really shocked to see men on here happy and content with having a girlfriend with a really high n count. Does it not make you feel pathetic taking her out, treating her real nice knowing that tonnes of men ran through her with little to no effort?
Usually the response is - but all women are like this. Um no, not all women have fucked that much. Get standards.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
I love women with high n-counts. I specifically go to red light districts to find them. Every once in a while I get the new girl and she just sucks and does the starfish thing but that's not very often. I prefer the older ones with triple digit body counts. They make terrible wives but the sex is all that and a bag-o-chips.
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whytehorse2021 1y ago
It's a different kind of relationship. Mistress, mia noi(little wife), concubine, lady of the night, etc.
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Loneliness-inc 1y ago
Or in any case.
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financehardo420 1y ago
Is there a difference between 10 vs 20 vs 30 vs 100+ Or nah
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Loneliness-inc 1y ago
There is no difference. None deserve your commitment.
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financehardo420 1y ago
Where do you guys find these sub 10 body counts and how do you know they aren’t lying?
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Loneliness-inc 1y ago
Doesn't matter where you find them. You're allowed to have standards regardless of the availability.
NeoSpartan 1y ago
Good post, agree 100%. Sample bias is definitely at work here. And you guys should know, if you are actively trying to find girls that they can be very picky, doesn't that knowledge lend it itself that idea that many girls aren't that promiscuous? Obvious exceptions are those mentioned, tinder, bars, clubs, raves, etc. It's obviously gonna be a lot easier to quickly fuck the type of girls who flock to the the slut watering holes.
I do have a slight addendum tho. I've done a lot of dating app shit and if you are an introvert type with an aversion to being a social butterfly, you can find non-sluts on those things, depending on the app. I like shy and introverted girls for example, and there's a ton of em on those things. By definition that type of girl is almost certainly gonna have a low N-count.
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NeoSpartan 1y ago
Ehhh, I think a part of that is they like having the knowledge that a lot of guys would fuck them and give them attention. It's probably a self esteem thing for a lot of them I think. I mean I like it too, whenever I match with a cute girl I'm like.. damn cool, this cute girl sees me as fuckable, I must be decently high SMV, nice! XD
STAYShredded 1y ago
Or just accept the fact that all hot chicks are like that and don’t be exclusive towards them
Loneliness-inc 1y ago
Why should anyone accept that?
STAYShredded 1y ago
Because you can’t change people, and no need to cry about it just move on and live your life
Loneliness-inc 1y ago
I didn't suggest any of those things.
You didn't answer my question.
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STAYShredded 1y ago
Maybe they arnt but is it really worth the effort digging for Dimonds in the rough? I don’t think so… in my opinion just fuck hot sluts and don’t be an exclusive pussy with girls so who cares if they’ve had high numbers in the past… you needa learn to enjoy your own company and just use girls as a sex toy/unexclusive emotional connection.
This whole thread is basically screaming the denial phase of TRP or some fucking gay black pilled shit.
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STAYShredded 1y ago
I wish you the best of luck bro, imo gaming an LTR sounds like a lot of work if not impossible. I personally wouldn’t bother.
Loneliness-inc 1y ago
Her past either matters or it doesn't.
If it matters - the biggest stain on her purity is her first one. If it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter whether it was 1 or 100 or 100,000 as these are mere arbitrary numbers.
Does it matter how many men she spoke with or shook hands with in her past?
No, but it does matter how many dicks she took.
Because sex isn't like a mere handshake. Especially if you plan on marrying her.
If she isn't a virgin, she isn't worthy.
If all women are sluts, doesn't mean you have to buy. No one is forcing you to pay for tenth hand goods.
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Loneliness-inc 1y ago
Having a standard means - if no one meets your standard, you'd rather go without than to lower your standard.
If women keep getting worse and worse, that's their prerogative. You don't have to participate in their shit choices nor do you have to pay for her mistakes.
Hanscheezburger 1y ago
So you want to marry a girl with low n-count while sleeping around with as many hoes and skanks as possible until you find a LTR?
Don't you feel like you guys are contributing to this "toxic modern dating scene" that you often criticize? Every girl had a low n count until chad came, pumped and dumped them.
Why not look for a low n count girl then just marry her instead of sleeping around?
helpfulguy22 1y ago
Because men and women are different. The best way to describe it is the way men view body count is the same way women view financial success. Not all men will make 6 figures, do you see women settling for less? Women don’t care about body count like men do, but they care far more about a mans success in the world. The way I see it, being successful is far more difficult than just not sleeping around. So to summarize, if a women has the right to judge men for success, a succesful man also has the right to judge women for her body count and not settle for a whore.
Terra 1y ago
I had brief convo about it here lately.
Men contributing to slutiness.
Yes men contribute to slutiness. But not the men you think and not the way you think, imo. Men on this f9rum and new.to understand s3xual dynamics generally wanted a good girl, most men would and then get on with life.
Yet at some point women started to slut it up hypergamously because of lack of accountability and the way were raised and with many others in environment not helping them to be good/responsible, contraception enabled it. All means of control went down the toilet.
Men that learned how sexual market works just adjusted or try to cope with it. Some less, some more successfuly. But ultimately men adjust not set the tone to female slutiness. If you don't want to fuck tons of girls so they can be low count/virgins, guess what there will be another bunch of guys that will make them 10+ count sluts. If this forum gets biggest and will get 1 000 0000 high Q, TRP guys ready not to fuck to preserve women morality, guest what. They will find a way to get the 10+ count anyway.
Improvements wont start with depressed/supressed men to limit themselves.
Help men can offer to women is to tell them at plate brakage what we really think: say that high count is bad, that she will unlikely have happy familly fucking around etc - doing essentially fathers job as stranger/fuck buddy (apart from rather low impactvof it, soon there wont be even examples to talk about as v old generation will die out and everyone will have FWB or be after divorces). Nevertheless theory says they will hamster it other way (man being jelous, stupid, not as good as she thought etc) because they have never learnt ANY form of accountability.
And if you think LTR man, yeah it hurts, nothing can he done on this level.
Then turn around and l9ok at men from non-sexual-perspective. What do.we do to improve our lives in terms of finding good male companionship. For the most part we sUCk. We cant change sluts but we should be able to.change that. Cant change that? What do.we expect from hypergamous child brains.
Hanscheezburger 1y ago
That's reasonable. I would have to think more about what you said because it does make sense but it sounds like bad news for men who ultimately want a good LTR and change the dating scene for the better. Or at least raise their daughters so that they wont become sluts. There must be something we can do
Terra 1y ago
Idk would that be enough f9r a good start, but respect to other men that are not dicks (with trust credit), creating male only spaces, not mixing women with man's peer group on any occasions (this brake trust in male group and brings toxic competition but organizing female counterpart meetings but only organized by women of the group. By the way I might know community that organizes it this way, just don't have the insight as I'm not in it).
Essentially when I think about it, its going all they way to trad muslim way of treating women.
I personally don't Believe you can fix women or theIR environment at this point. You can only cope with it.
Imagine 50% of men getting fully redpilled in any country. Even that wont change political balance with more women votes, would women be idle if some real conservatists try to change it and take priviliges and what not?
Would't you say becomng best SMV isnt way of.coping with women sluttery? it enables.you to have that freedom but wont enable.you to magically find quality. Sure this way of.coping isnt bad (Hugh Hefner?).
Consequences can be coped with in real life personal male space, text forum will never be even close to it (for mental comfort, BTW women do that) + SMV longterm or game shorterm (for fucks)
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Hanscheezburger 1y ago
literally every advice involves going out to meet new chicks and expanding your roster of plates and rotating between them until they break. The original question was not specifically aimed at you, but if you want to answer it, then fine.
Then if that man wants to get married and have a family, shouldn't that man make an example with himself by finding a good LTR early on then get married instead of rotating plates, before he starts to criticize the modern dating culture? This is not about it being difficult/easy, you shouldn't be criticizing one thing while also actively contributing to it.
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Hanscheezburger 1y ago
He can. I'm a libertarian. People are allowed to do anything they want to, just don't harm others. I even said it myself in my earlier reply
I would find that man a giant hypocrite if he goes around criticizing the modern dating culture and women with high n-count, meanwhile fucking around with tons of women. It's his right to do whatever he wants, but if he has values, he should make an example of himself first before criticizing others
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Hanscheezburger 1y ago
That has more to do with the difficulty of sleeping around between men/women. Hypocrisy is when you criticize others for doing the same thing that you do. Whether it's difficult or not has nothing to do with it. Just because it's more difficult doesn't make the action itself morally right.
I never once suggested anything close to that. You are imagining things and putting words in my mouth.
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Hanscheezburger 1y ago
It is hypocritical when you are actively contributing to it, like I said. You can't be going around saying this place is full of trash while you yourself are littering.
He can marry whoever he wants. There's obviously a higher risk with high n-count women but low n-count doesn't mean it's 100% safe either. What I'm trying to say is there is some sort of hypocrisy going on with some of us (me included) when we go around calling out hoes and skanks and stuff like that, but we are the ones creating these hoes and skanks by spinning plates and leaving them alpha-widowed
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Hanscheezburger 1y ago
it is to an extent, but also keep in mind that women rarely have an opinion of their own. they regurgitate whatever the male figure in their life influenced on them, be it their father or current/ ex bf. I'm not saying you can't spin plates but if I do, I try my best not to judge them so much or hold grudges. take them as they are and treat them accordingly. If you are against the current dating culture then I would argue we should start to change it with ourselves first by bettering ourselves and commit to a good woman (IF) we find one
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Gurren843 1y ago
Nobody here does that…? I certainly haven’t seen it and I don’t condone any of it