How can I get a girl to be in my frame, see me as the prize and shit when she has 1000 guys in her DM’s. Why the fuck would she want to submit to and please me.
Just by the sheer amount of options a bitch has there’s always someone stronger with more money smarter and more fashionable. How am I supposed to become that thing she craves so hard her entire realitys purpose becomes to do as I say to please me.
Meanwhile even as a guy who studies game, redpill, lifts and looks decent, has great career and shit. I can still only get some mediocre pussy here and there.
How am I supposed to really fuck a niiiice bitch and see myself as the prize when I know I’m not getting that much turbo pussy and also at the same time make her see me as the prize so she falls into my frame when she has so many other guys available..
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ThrowawayAccount_2k 4y ago
I think I've reached the red pill endgame. Feel like game is a small percentage of what matters, and a large majority of it is looks. I've improved my looks a lot and I've noticed that when women like me they make it super easy for me. I could be socially retarded and still pull these girls. It's really sad that a large portion of your life is determined by your genetics.
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ThrowawayAccount_2k 4y ago
I really like what RP preaches about not putting women on a pedestal, I know that I was super needy and its helped me to become more stoic. Imo you need to be attractive to get your foot through the door and then you can use RP principles to keep them around. No amount of frame is going to make Margot Robbie want to be with me, 90% of the battle is just becoming more attractive.
Hanscheezburger 4y ago
you should make your own forum or subreddit called TRP for ugly dudes with shit genetics or something
most people aren't ugly, so they obviously can't relate to you.
since you are ugly, obviously you won't be able to know what it's like to look good and still get treated badly. looks matter in the initial stages but frame and game keeps you from getting used/ put women under a leash to either play by your rules or leave
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Hanscheezburger 4y ago
our grandfathers did well with women and knew nothing about RP. They didn't even have Internet. Why is that?
Never said they didn't. But frame matters in the later stages.
Look at Will Smith, look at Johnny Depp. Better looking than most of us here. One was voted the sexiest man alive.
What happened to them? One's wife cheated on him with a mumble rapper, the other with Elon Musk. Who said Elon Musk was better looking than Depp?
And like I said, you already admitted you're ugly, so you'll never understand the importance of frame for a good looking man. Looks might get him through the door, get him laid. But without frame, he ends up getting used and abused until a better branch comes along.
I still dont get your point here? Asking for sympathy because you have bad genetics? Arguing against having frame and respecting your own values? So if you're already ugly and you don't care about frame, what else do you have?
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ThrowawayAccount_2k 4y ago
I'd have to disagree, it's not too late if you are on these forums. Most guys can improve their smv substantially. An average guy can easily make it into the top 20% by getting into good shape, having a social circle and making good money. Our grandfathers did well with women without knowing RP because they had masculine father figures who instilled these values into them. They didn't have to read online forums to learn how to talk to women because they had male role models who were an example for them. Today is also much more superficial, its much more about being attractive, you had some wiggle room before but no amount of frame is going to make a Tinder girl right swipe you. It's all about becoming as attractive as possible through self improvement and raising your SMV.
Hanscheezburger 4y ago
because the question was super simple to answer. If you can answer what I asked, then you that's the answer to your questions too - many people can do well without even knowing about red pill. like many people can throw hands without ever learning boxing.
it's not the prerequisite to have a relationship, but if you can't get a relationship, or your relationships all sucked, then it offers a view as to "why it happened"
you probably read one or two comments from somebody and think that's the shared view in this forum. read the sidebar, looks are a vital part of SMV. that's why they say we fall in love at first sight. So yes, you are right that looks are important.
But what if you are very short/fat/ugly and cannot change it? frame. Listen to Patrice O'Neill's radio show and how he won his fiancee - basically a idgaf attitude and humor.
Think of it like video game stats:
of course, it's over simplifying it because your frame and confidence is affected by your looks and wealth, and each woman perceives SMV differently. but it's not impossible to have good frame without good looks.
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whytehorse2021 4y ago
All you have to do is think about it. What does a man bring to the table? A lifetime of hard work, education, wealth, fitness, strength, etc. That makes you the prize. Women are just born with pussies and don't bring shit to the table. They should be the ones qualifying themselves to you.
Now, in clown world... that gets all upside down. You can do like me and exit stage left or you can play their stupid little games. Get the professional photos, use instagram for fake social proof, create a sense of urgency, do like the Tinder Swindler. Just know that it's an arms race. When every guy has professional photos, nobody has an advantage so it escalates to photos of you with a yacht, a lamborghini, a supermodel, etc.
It gets even worse as you go up in Alpha status. Now the women are trying to get with the hot rapper that has $millions, this or that actor, NBA players, etc. Meanwhile as an average American guy, you can pull hotties from SE Asia, Mexico, etc and completely skip the rat race.
Moonraven 4y ago
Women work now too and are educated and hit the gym also. Plus you’re thinking long term what you bring if she is to be a house wife.
But I mean just right now, me and turbo hot tinder slut. How do I make her drop everything and come suck my cock when I want it. She also works out, also is educated, also has a job. But has 1000 guys in her DM’s and I have like 2 meh plates. How is she ever gonna see me as the prize unless I’m like ultra famous.
Woman has to be dominated but how when they have ultra abundance, ultra power, money from only fans and shit. Given everything.
whytehorse2021 4y ago
Like I said it's an arms race. The easy solution is sexual arbitrage(i.e. shopping in a different market). If all the average American guys go elsewhere for women, where does that leave the average American woman? There's a reason why the Asian population is exploding in the US. There's a reason why my wife is Asian and not the girl next door. There's a reason for the dearth of men over 30 available to post-wall women. We're busy fucking our hot Asian/Latina/E.European/etc wives.
You have options, I recommend you exercise them. You can shop at Saks 5th Ave for an overpriced, high maintenance item that loses value immediately or you can go get the damn thing where it's made in China for 5% of the price. We got a whole planet full of pussy. I recommend you get a nice, dark farm girl from Isaan or Vietnam. She love you long time.
coolsocks00 1 4y ago
There is never any guarantee with Any One Girl.
One of the reasons why TRP is so important is because the Beta Buxx side of hypergamy is basically taken care of by women having careers, or the state system enabling single mommies to stay afloat no matter their circumstances.
That is why they're looking for alpha fucks 24/7 or until they hit The Wall and want a man to hold their hand.
You gotta BE the prize and not give two fucks if she decides to leave for some other guy. If you can get her, what's stopping you from getting any other hot babe around? Thats what's gonna be going around her head when she sees you're not phased by her BS shit tests.
Flip the script. Stop worrying about the girls like all the other beta schmucks, and start worrying about you and what you can control.
mattyanon Admin 4y ago
She isn't reading DM's from 1000 guys. Noone has the time for that shit. Sooner or later she's going to stop taking DM's seriously as viable options.
You're going to be the guy in front of her. Real, actual, THERE.
You're not trying to DM girls to get them to like you I hope.
Yes, but she can't evaluate those options. They become "just guys in my DM". You excel in person by being smart, fashionable and attractive.
And what you REALLY need is abundance: she has options, YOU have options.
Really really great sex
"Looks decent" isn't good enough.
You want a girl 20-25. SO DOES EVERY GUY aged 20-50. That's a 6:1 ratio right there. She wants the best. BE THE BEST.
abundance mentality
Right.
You need to get more options with more girls so that you feel better about all this.