I’ve been with my LTR for two years. She is the first girl I’ve ever felt truly loved by, and quite literally bends over backwards for me. Always willing to do anything to keep me satisfied in bed, always willing to show her loyalty, even spending resources on me. I know she isn’t love bombing me, because her attitude has remained consistent for the entirety of the relationship. There’s just one caveat… Her n-count is 20 at 23. I know the typical rule is to multiply by 3, but I’m fairly sure 20-25 is close to accurate as I’ve gotten 3 different numbers from her, and she finally admitted to this number after a few drinks (yes I know I you’re not supposed to ask).
I fucking KNOW that typical red-pill ideology says to run, run, run… But I’m hoping a couple of the OG’s can put aside the black and white rules chime in here because EVEN fucking plates was not as fulfilling as being with this girl. None of my prior relationships match up to the feeling of being with her, and I’ve been with significantly lower n-count woman before. Don’t get me wrong, I can easily replace her, because I’m young and have a higher-than-average SMV due to my income & looks, but I simply don’t have the desire due to getting everything I want from her.
So is it a big deal if I continue to date this girl long term? And if she shows good behavior, possibly go further?
r3z01v 3y ago
Wonder where she learned that?
Oh, that's why, cool. Enjoy the training of others.
Play stupid games....
No, that's just christian "red pill", conservative fart baggs applauded by insecure incels that creep out all but the most trash woman that would gobble any cock even incel cock.
Fucking plates isn't supposed to be fulfilling mate. It's just having fun.
That's kinda how they get ya.
Very mature question.... IF she shows good behavior.
Yes, big fucking YES.
It all starts with what you want.
Do you mind her count? Is she more dominant than you? Do you feel like she is too much sexually for you?
Secondly - can you find a woman with a lower n-count than 50+ (women can't count beyond 30, it';s a made up number) in your age range / depravity level? If you are in a urban setting and dating non-married women or women above the age of 20... I find it very hard to believe you can get one - and for absolute, if you are dating under 20s, for sure they won't be as well behaved as a 2 year old trained fighter that is a known asset.
Thirdly: What are the risks - she fucks other guys. Well, fuck... that's terrible. How could you survive such a betrayal. My god, you will cry a river of tears for 3 years. You won't be able to eat, your gains will atrophy and you will become a shell of a man. Terrible, just terrible, a fate worst than death.
Listen man, as long as you fuck her well, don't go swinging or open up the relationship, she sounds like a well behaved girl and you should enjoy your time. If you're thinking marriage or having kids - maybe it would be kind of you to drop out and thank her for the time you spend toghether and find a wifey in amish country with only 2-3 molestations, but 0 kisses with boys her age. The comunity also protects and values family so the culture will protect your investment.
coolsocks00 1 3y ago
In the end TRP is a strategy for you to use. You are welcome to use the parts of it you want.
Judging by this post you know that there is truth to the idea that high n count girls are lower value. But you probably understand that this is also not a linear thing. Girls vary.
If you are her age you are young and i wont advise you to get very committed in any sense. But if you feel done with plates for a while (you should have good experience with spinning plates before LTRs), it's fine to stay in the LTR but you should keep it casual and plan for it to be a short term thing. Use the stability to focus on building yourself and your mission. Dont let her hog too much of your time. Dont move in together. Dont simp.
DimeBagDarrell 3y ago
I totally get that TRP isn’t linear. I do know that eventually she is going to press hard for marriage. This is the longest relationship either of us have been in. And I’ve already promised to myself if there is ANY inconsistencies in her behavior (if sex started drying up, casual disrespect, etc) I will not even consider it.
That being said, I know without a shadow of doubt, based on her actions, that she views me as her best option. She completely and utterly adores the floor I walk on, and I’ve never experienced that in my life. I feel like the epitome of an alpha around her - a fucking king. If she continues to be this great for years to come, would marrying her be shooting myself in the foot? I’ve sort of told myself that I won’t marry her but my paternal instincts kick in every now and then. I know I sound blue pill as fuck but I had a 3 girl rotation for 2 years prior to meeting her and I was well red-pilled at that time.
Axlerod9999 3y ago
Its a mistake. The n count is too high to pairbond. She worships the floor you walk on because you are the best she can get. Wont always be the case. And women with high n count are heartless when they leave you.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 3y ago
you mentioned your SMV is high along with your income.
Ok, she's been on the CC, had fun, now what? She's looking for stability.
What's your physical SMV? Be honest. What kind of guys does she gravitate toward, you been with her 2 years, you should notice her checking out guys and making comments. The key here is, are you that type of hers or not.
Then, financially. How well are you doing now and extrapolate 5-10 years down the road. compare this to her, where does she stand? In short, are you a money train?
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DimeBagDarrell 3y ago
If/when it gets to the point to where she’s with “the next guy”, it isn’t my concern anymore, lol.
Axlerod9999 3y ago
Keep lying to yourself
liftheavystuff 3y ago
Really insecure beta thing to ask a girl her n count...let alone 3 damn times.
Jakeyg 3y ago
You need to know if the girl is a hoe before you wife it though?
liftheavystuff 3y ago
Just assume they all are to some degree.
Ho or no, marriage is a bad institution for men, so I would avoid.
Jakeyg 3y ago
So would you prefer not know if she had over 100 cocks? But I guess All women lie and tbh you’ll never know the real truth. Every women has had ateast 10’dudes before 25
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Intrepid_Place53900 1 3y ago
some hide it much better than others, you'd be surprised.
liftheavystuff 3y ago
I would, but I just assume all girls will lie when asked this question, as it is in their best interest to do so. The safest thing is to just not marry anyone.
Jakeyg 3y ago
Unrealistic and you can never fully become a real man without a wife n family. But deffo the safest option for sure. However no risk no reward
liftheavystuff 3y ago
There's to reward to men in marriage. You can have a family and children without legal marriage.
jindo1517 3y ago
Are you okay with having a former slut as your wife? I'm not trying to argue either way, just genuinely asking how you feel about it.
To me, it seems that you making the post shows that deep down, you're not okay with it. If you could, you would erase her sexual history. You're trying to appeal to authority ("a couple of the OG's") to tell you that your feelings are invalid and that it's actually okay to wife up a former slut.
TRP is about achieving what you want. If you don't mind being married to a former slut, go ahead. Personally, I don't think that she'd be more likely than any other girl to cheat or to be an irresponsible wife. That said, I wouldn't want to be married to a former slut anyway. Can't exactly put my finger on why, but it makes me cringe to think that she might pass on to my future daughters that it's okay to ride the CC for a few years and dozens of dicks, because in the end they'll still find a chump to commit to them. But this is just me, you need to decide for yourself.
As for what to do now, IMO your best strategy is not think of her as serious long-term potential, just enjoy the ride and use the emotional and sexual stability to work on yourself.
Please don't forget that her being an amazing girlfriend may well be a (subsconcious) attempt to hook you into commitment. Once she has you locked down with a ring and kids and doesn't need to fight for your commitment anymore, would you still be happy and proud to have her as your wife even if she doesn't make such an effort as today?
Btw, two years is nothing. I once broke up with a girl and kept her around as a plate, and she actually stepped up her game for two years (IMO because she was trying to win me back). She did everything for me, and everytime I told her to come around she'd arrive with lingerie underneath without me asking her to, and woke me up with a blowjob every morning. No joke. Whereas during the relationship she'd never wear lingerie unless told to. All to say if my girl was able to keep up the charade for two years (and probably longer if I hadn't ended it), why can't yours?
Intrepid_Place53900 1 3y ago
Interesting.
so, you broke up with a girl and kept her as a plate and she stepped up her (sexual) game for you.
So, she kept this up for 2 years, but you think it was a charade?
why do you think it was a charade?
Did she possibly just realize, she's going to lose you and dread is working to make her satisfy you which in this case is sexual? Did she just want to satisfy you?
Curious about this. Also, financially, are you in a much better position than her?
jindo1517 3y ago
Maybe charade was the wrong word. I don't think she was faking any of it, it was all really genuine. I just believe that it was all subconscious. She subconsciously really really wanted me back, so she did everything she could to show me how amazing of a girl she is.
And sure, often times I did think how awesome she is and wondered if I had made a mistake breaking up with her. But on second thought, I'd always think how ridiculous it is that she would treat me better when she's my plate than when she's my girlfriend. My takeaway was, why would I promote her to girlfriend again, if plating her gives me better sex for less investment from me in return? I'd invite her for a weekend, fuck her 10 times during the weekend, send her home and not reach out for a month. She never complained about that. Whereas during the relationship, she wanted to at least get a text from me daily, and wanted to see me at least once a week, or she'd feel like I don't care about her and be in a bad mood.
And that's not to say that she hadn't been a good girlfriend before, she was very affectionate and caring, and did everything in the bed and outside of it, but obviously in the LTR I had to provide emotional support and listen to her bullshit work stories. And sometimes if she'd be in a bad mood and e.g. I'd tell her to wear lingerie, she'd be pissy about how demanding of a boyfriend I am. She'd still do it, of course, but it's not quite the same as if she did it of her own accord, enthusiastically. Whereas during her time as a plate, she'd come over and wear high heels and lingerie I had never even seen on her before, without me telling her anything.
Yes, I agree, 100%.
Yes. Not just financially, but in most aspects of my life, with the exception of my physical appearance and my mental health*, I am fortunate to be quite successful.
* I'm not an ugly mental patient, just a skinny-fit 6/10 dude with depressive episodes.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 3y ago
it's strange situation.
She is treating you better as a plate, then when she was a girlfriend.
I have to believe she's got an angle. You are doing much better than her financially, she wants you back. so, she's giving you what you want and she's STFU in the meantime. Wonder how long she can keep that up. Or does she do that until "she" can branch swings with someone better?
I'd have to guess, one day she blows up and (gives you the talk) about what are we, are we GF/BF? Or she just disappears as she found someone who would LTR her.
I'd have to agree with you, why promote her to GF, when you are getting great treatment as a plate. What would be the incentive to change things, right?
liftheavystuff 3y ago
This is good advice. Take a look at coach Greg adams's "marriage wheel". Before you're legally shackled, the girl will do whatever you want (investment phase) Afterwards, comes the bait and switch where they can behave however they choose and you have no recourse unless you want to expose yourself to huge losses through divorce.
DimeBagDarrell 3y ago
It fucks with me to a degree that 20 dudes pumped and dumped her before me, yes. But I try not to tweak out over it like a beta because everything else is going so well. I also have reason to believe most every girl has gone through a slut phase, and I’d never marry an extremely low count woman or virgin due to the likelyhood of her wanting to “live a little” later on in life.
I like what you said about breaking up and plating her if anything goes wrong though. I think the only play here is to continue dating her and carefully observe her actions, because if the general TRP view of sluts is true, she’ll eventually branch swing or cheat. If not, then I guess she’s the anomaly.
And also, you’re right, 2 years isn’t that long. If 10 years from now she keeps this same energy, then I honestly would marry her. Because 10 years is a long fucking time to maintain an “act”, which some other commenters seem to be insinuating she’s putting up. I absolutely will keep my eye on the door in the meantime, and be thankful if she does cheat because I’ll have the ability to leave with no significant loss (other than maybe whatever time I put into the relationship).
Would you say this is a good outlook and long term strategy?
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Intrepid_Place53900 1 3y ago
Ask yourself this, what is your SMV?
What SMV are the guys she was probably banging? This is important.
Does she do anything sexual for you? She initiates?
You are like 25? What are your goals? Marriage? Kids?
Does she support herself? Good job/career, relative to you also?
These are all things you have to look at, not every situation is the same.
Not every slut will branch swing or cheat. This greatly depends upon you. Are you her best option?
Again, what are you long term goals? Does she fit in?
jindo1517 3y ago
I didn't mean to propose you break up and plate her. My story was to serve as just an example of how a girl can treat you like a king for multiple years in an attempt to get what she wants. I genuinely think that you shouldn't marry a girl unless you'd still be proud to have her as your wife even if she stops treating you like a king, just because of her personality.
Your outlook is good. Just make sure you take full advantage of the position your LTR puts you in. Focus on developing professionally, physically, and socially. You are in the privileged position that you can spend almost all your time on improving yourself and still come back home to a clean home and a warm meal before getting your dick sucked and your ego stroked. Make sure you don't waste your time or spend too much of it unproductively with her.
That way, 10 years from now, you'll have a massively improved SMV, and you can decide from a position of strength if you want to reward her loyalty with commitment or just upgrade for a younger hottie.
DimeBagDarrell 3y ago
Lol man, it’s crazy you mentioned “don’t waste too much of your time of it unproductively with her”. That’s probably my number 1 issue, aside from the occasional frame slip (nobody is perfect).
I actually work from home, so I usually end up spending 3-4 nights a weeks with her, and work from my private office up the street. I know it can’t be doing anything positive for the relationship, but oddly enough, this makes her crave my attention more when I leave. At the risk of my own dignity I’ll say we’re both pretty attached to each other. But I still keep an “ear to the streets” per say. If I sense her getting too comfortable or upping the shit tests (very rare), I leave and then it’s like when we first met the next time I come over.
Anyways man, I appreciate the words of wisdom, I think this was the most unbiased comment here, I was expecting the same copypasta overdosed RP bullshit but this advice actually made me think logically.
pfeilmacher 3y ago
Keep fucking her. Don't marry her. In fact, don't change a thing.
But realize that she is most definitely a hoe, fantasizes about Tyrone fucking the shit out of her, and is only with you because it suits her current needs.
Make no mistake, though: SHE WILL DROP YOU LIKE A HOT POTATO when it suits her....and she won't look back.
liftheavystuff 3y ago
Yeah this is true. At the end of the day, humans are humans and will be with someone until it noonger suits them. Our bluepill programming tells men that women are somehow different and will stay and nit cheat out of a sense of "loyalty" but in essence they are no different than men.
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DimeBagDarrell 3y ago
Bro, they’re all hoes. Sorry but I’m tired of hearing the regurgitated shit. The low n-count women/virgins I’ve been with were terrible in bed, and just flatout weird. Even RP basically preaches this, and the only reason I posted this is because I’m trying to gauge if my hoe is slooted out beyond repair or not based solely on her past in the absence of other signs.
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whytehorse2021 3y ago
There's a slight possibility she's not a hoe. There's a large probability she's a hoe. Apparently she has bad decision making abilities as demonstrated by her fucking 20+ guys and not one of them sticking around. I think 2 years is long enough to vet a woman and sometimes you gotta roll the dice.
You have no pressure to make a decision because you can reproduce into your 70s if you take care of yourself so don't fall into the trap of time running out or wasting years. You have no biological clock and your SMV won't decline until your late 40s.
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Axlerod9999 3y ago
Readthis or fuck around and find out