Hi guys,
a few days I ago I have met a girl (cold approach). We decided to meet up a few days later. During the conversation we fixed a day and a time (between 6-7 pm). On the said day I messaged her around 1 pm and asked her if 7 sounds good. Around 3pm I got a message with "Hey, I overslept, I still have to do a lot I am not sure I can make it today. I will let you know later"
Its not my first time that I have received a message like that from a girl. And to be honest, when I receive messages like that I get extremely angry. In my opinion, such a thing is just super selfish and not emphatic. Nobody would write something like that to a friend. Why is it not possible to write something like this in the morning or the day before? That would not make me nearly so angry.
But since I get pissed off by this, I also get irrational and don't really know what to say anymore. So I ask a few friends of my during this phase to give me some ideas. I thought about this situation again and I got a view ideas how to handle the situation but I am not sure how
The ideas.
- ignore this message and delete the contact.
- tell her that this is very disrespectful and then delete the contact
- tell her that this is very disrespectful and that she should contact me when she has time.
- play along, don't let it affect you and just assume that the date will still happen.
I have decided to go for option 4.
And I answered "Are you afraid? :)", whereupon she sent me only a photo on which a laptop is to be seen with the message "I must finish something until tuesday".
I replied with "looks cozy"
Any advice on that?
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
This is called an option date. It's a date at her option. It's a step back (show of disinterest). You handle this by making it a date at YOUR option. So you say this "Thanks, my day got mental too, I'll drop you a line if I get free".
It's deeply selfish, but it's also how dating works: with girls you are completely disposable until she fucks you, and society affords women every excuse for their flakey behavour.
For me, the first time there is any semi-flaking I stop making efforts or commitments to meet her. No going out specially, dates have to be convenient and fun and easy for me, eg somewhere I'm going anywhere, or something else to do if she no-shows. She no longer gets the risk/investment of her not showing up.
Because it's an option date. It's "I'll do this if nothing better comes along". And it's how girls operate, so learn to accept this and learn to do the same with them. You need abundance, but that's hard to do when everyone is flaking on you.
It's just how women are, accept it and work with it. And you are completely allowed to do exactly the same thing back to them, in fact I encourage it. Arrange 3 dates on the same day, stagger them by an hour, hottest girl first, and cancel the others when one shows up. We didn't start the flakiness, this is completely fair and resaonable.
In fact arrange all your dates to be option dates....... arrange them, cancel them, shuffle them around. Run it all at maximum convenience to yourself and ditch and that won't put up with it.
This gets you nothing though
pointless. she knows. she doesn't care.
see above
Bad because you're always in the weak position. Make it an option FOR YOU as well, and then do your best to arrange something better than her.
This shit happens when you're attractive, but not so appealing as to look like her best option from what she knows so far. Sadly you've got to put up with it to a certain extent, but not so much as to just agree with her.
Nadox12 2y ago
Hey thanks for your interesting reply, I learned a lot. But I have a question.
Lets say I am going to write and I dont have another chick on the same day
"Thanks, my day got mental too, I'll drop you a line if I get free"
whats the next step?
Am I going to wait until she writes "..bla I am free now, are you rdy to meet up"?
Or do I write 1-2 hours before the date
"I am free now, what about you?"
And whats the idea of writing "Thanks, my day got mental too, I'll drop you a line if I get free"? Do I increase her interest?
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
What you don't want to do is "I'm free! are you?".
Your status has gone up a little due to being busy and not being her option date, but she's still female and tricky.
For me personally.... I'd just not get back to her and ignore her for a few days, hit her up and see if she has learned to commit better, and failing that ditch.
Or you could hit her up non commitally later...... "Trying to get free here, how's your day shaping up?"
Well, it's not a date anymore unless she plays ball.
Basically you need to not be a pushover.
At this point you've got to shake yourself out of "trying to make this work" mentality: women exploit this male instinct to fix relationships.
If she's option-dating you, she needs to either commit or lose the opportunity to meet you. Put your efforts elsewhere until she shapes up, be prepared to move on if not.
The idea is this: she takes a step back, and therefore YOU step back in order to not be a pushover.
Nadox12 2y ago
Ok I see thanks.
You dont prefer to say, like in the other replies
"Sounds like you're unsure of your schedule, let's meet another time then"?
This is a valid option too. Whats better to cancel the date from my side or your way to seem busy too? The problem is, I texted her first and said are you free around 7.
She replies with: "I dont know if I can make it."
I am pretty sure an answer like
"Yeah got a busy day too, not sure if I will make it"
makes no sense xD If she have had texted me first I would think that makes sense but in this case
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
This is also good for the same reason: she takes a step back, you take the meeting off the table. It's another way to take her option date off the table. I've used "Ok, you sound busy, let's meet another time". (And I'm not too quick to rearrange).
Try both.......
but if you say "are you free" and she says "maybe", you should go with "ok, you sound busy, let's meet another time".
Nadox12 2y ago
Ok I got you, thanks for your help bro!
Renegade3346 2y ago
What would the thoughts of a man who has 2 other date prospects for that evening be?
"Humm, too bad for her. Guess it's drinks with Amanda instead of Kim tonight"
What is the reply said man would send?
"Sounds like you're unsure of your schedule, let's meet another time then"
Classic Corey Wayne "take away"
If it's a test, you've just passed. If it's low interest, now you know.
What her messages means :
She doesn't value meeting up with you as much as something or someone else. She would prioritize those other options over commiting to a meet with a guy she's unsure/uninvested in
She is also simultaneously testing your boundaries and state of abundance in that, the guy with options and respect for himself will respond one way and spark her interest, while a man in scarcity with low self-esteem will respond another way and decrease her interest.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
This is good. But don't be quick to reschedule, let her stew for a few days. Be the mystery that has her wondering.
Nadox12 2y ago
Got it.
After you have sended
"Sounds like you're unsure of your schedule, let's meet another time then"
would you recommend that the guys restarts the conversation for another try to go for a date or the girl?
I wanne now the ultimativ red pill way so, i can write that shit down, can use it for the next case and dont let me emotions drive me
Flirtboy 2y ago
After at least a week. And then suggest to meetup on your least busy time. Like sunday 19.00. Or monday 21.00. If she declines, move on.
If she hits you up before a week, again, your least busy time. By busy I mean busy with girls. She is now option number 10, when you have no other prospects.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
I had this happen a few weeks ago, didn't have a time set though was just trying to set up a second date and I did 2 hahaha XD It may have been a mistake though. I think it depends on your level of abundance really. Cancelling on you and ruining your weekend plans is pretty shitty though. Ideally I think I should have done what you did and you should have done what I did lol.
I do have a small bit of advice on text game though. I think way better thing to say would have been something like "Oh, I get it. You're worried I will distract you too much eh ;)" "Well, youre probably right *laughing emoji or some sort8"
Depends on how pissed you are but depending on her reaction you might be able to prod her into doing her shit later or alternatively you could just put her on the bb with a "I guess some other time then, I'll let you know" and throw that shit back at her, but keep her as an option for later and maybe hit her up again in two weeks or w/e.
Nadox12 2y ago
Yeah I dont know. Sometimes I am asking myself if its even worth it to "teach her". I mean she obviously showed that she is trash its not my task to teach her social manners.
I just realized while meetings girls from cold approaching. Most of the time the interest lv is really slippery between i will meet him and i wont. When I have a date with a girl most of the time I can game her so the interested lv is rising but I need the date. And in order to get that date I accepted behaviour like hers at the beginning of the relationship. But later on I did not accept it anymore
Hanscheezburger 2y ago
that's normal. never go with option 2 and 3 unless you've been dating for a while, in that case you should set your boundaries.
In your case, pull back and spend your time with other women. that's why people always tell you how important having a roster/ abundance is - it's one of the things that changed my dating life forever. You should not get pissed off because that's how women are, they act according to how they feel at that moment. You wouldn't get mad at your dog for being a dog, or at a child for being childish, so just let them do their thing.
how to reply? let her know you're okay and open for another date. Don't seem butthurt, don't act too needy either. Forget her, go no contact for a few weeks then hit her back again if you want. During that time you should be filling your schedule with work, fun activities and other women. If she flakes again, she was never interested in you that much
Nadox12 2y ago
Man I really like your reply. I will do this from now on with the next girls when shit hits the fan. And thanks again for reminding me that women are emotionally driven. Its so important to keep that in mind