A couple weeks ago I invited one of my closest friends out to the bars with me and my friends and a girl i’ve been talking to for a while.
The night before, the girl saw texts on my phone from another plate texting me to come fuck her and how she wants to crawl in my bed. After she saw that she left me and went home and was super upset. I found out later she was complaining to her friends about me being untrustworthy etc and what the texts mean. I said whatever and did my own thing.
So I made it up to her the following morning and we got food and smashed. When my friend came over that night however, she kept mentioning how “cute” and “tall” he was even though we are literally the same height and I was the most attractive one in the group by far (trust me on this, been offered to model before). She kept coming up to me repeatedly to say this, and internally it pissed me the fuck off but I never showed it. She told me “OMG I love him I want to go talk to him” to my face and would go talk to him after telling me that, I felt kind of disrespected and maybe turned red. I just responded with “Yeah cool go talk to him give him his drink too (it was my turn buying drinks) i’m gonna go talk to the other boys for a bit i’ll be around”
Anyways, is this a shit test from her because of the previous nights from the text or was she being straight disrespectful and got attracted to him? She’s never acted like this before even when there were bigger taller dudes around me. This girl is extremely submissive to me and I fuck her however I want to whenever I want to, but this thought is plaguing me even until today because if she did disrespect me like that by liking him more i’ll cut her the fuck off for good because i’m talking to this girl seriously and am not tolerating any cuck behavior.
I asked my friend if she flirted with him and he said no she didn’t but instead she was telling him how much she likes me and how i’m on “several strikes” because of me being with other girls. Part of me wants to not believe him because I left when they were talking so I wouldn’t know what they really said, but he has also been my close friend for years and he helps me out with advice all the time. He was even encouraging me to ask her out because she said she liked me.
TRP, what do you think?

hannulv 4y ago
Even open marriages usually have a rule that you don't do it in front of the other person. You rubbed her nose in shit and now she's out to get you back.
This is part of the "good for the gander" mentality that girls have adopted along with imagining a 90 pound waif can kickbox down 30 Russian special forces agents armed with automatic weapons. One critical checkpoint in promoting a plate is confidence that she adores you and is seriously afraid to lose you. Girls that lash out this way either haven't been properly trained about what you'll tolerate, or they just aren't that into you.
A girl who adores you and is afraid to lose you will wait for your commitment and exclusivity. At the same time, rubbing her nose in other girl's pussy is a dick move.
pfeilmacher 4y ago
I think OP is a girl, getting all bent out of shape that "he" is not the prettiest in the room.
SheLarror1234 4y ago
It was disrespect bro. This shit test IS disrespect. Maybe she did it so openly because of revenge also.
Some females, no matter how submissive and nice they are, will do this disrespect in a relationship when you are a male with known options from the opposite sex. They are the ones raised and encouraged to be like a king, not you. This could be her true nature exposed. A "Cant be 2 kings" mentality.
"Her desire will be to rule man, and he will rule over her."
So yea, this is a shit test, a disrespectful one that imo should probably be responded with a serious convo and demotion, or a next. In the situation, you both are not stupid when it comes to relationship dynamics, but she still really treated you like an idiot simp. Maybe it felt like it was "technically" not a bad thing for her to do since your not officially dating, but its still on the same level of getting cucked because you do have history. So yea, its intentional gaslighting and disrespect 100%.
She fished for a guy in front of your face, so its also additionally possible she's planning or has already set up a monkeybranch off-camera. Her monitoring and flagging your behavior only serves to justify her mental (gives her permission) to why she's openly fishing on the sexual market and monkeybranching while still in a soft "relationship" with you. Her actions not words. Plates or plate material do not last forever. Your friend gets this, which is probably why he is essentially telling you to put her on the leash, or forget about her and her loyalty..
If some random girl came up to you in a bar talking about her boyfriend, what would you do? Call his boyfriend? And do you really think she's there to get counseling? Its a virtue chameleon thing girls do when talking to a guy, because as long as a guy is not autistic and gets the message, he can scoop her of her feet. She's out in the market no matter what she tells him, or makes you feel. But even so, she literally told you. She knows what she was doing and she cucked you.
Dont be the beta who thinks a girl is fully messing with you just because of looks, or because she does sexual stuff with you. She will reinforce your belief in that relationship dynamic with all types of emotional and vocal nonsense, all the while displaying 2 faced 'bro' or revenge behaviors to remove your frame and justify her monkeybranch tendencies.
I would cut her off just because of her pride against you. I think this is the masculine thing to do. Look for someone else less bold.
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hannulv 4y ago
You can't. You need to deal with things like that immediately. You can however train her by laying out expectations for what you expect from a non-exclusive FWB.
Sure. I don't do exclusive relationships with girls that do 'X'. Tell her she already failed the LTR test.
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SheLarror1234 4y ago
Imo, she probably told him "I'm not ready" because in her eyes she's already getting the LTR treatment. In her head its no need to make her situation worst since she's already getting the attention/benefits she needs, the sex, and the freedom of being single.
OP lost frame. And in this case im not sure he can hamstring effectively, because he did get rejected and is not exclusive with her. So yea, she took his power to hamstring. And now she has the power to justify what she wants under the context of them not officially being together. This includes that same type of motional manipulation when she notices abundance or an behavior she does not like from op, just like how she did previously. I can imagine her pulling the exact same thing and telling OP hes "on his last strings" to manipulate OP, or at the very least using the unexclusively to safeguard herself when her behavior is eventually exposed.
Also the dynamic turns to him chasing her, as he literally got rejected and is still pursuing and advancing with her. Op may feel as if he is still the one with control, and that she's a plate, but in reality this is what it is...You need to be ready to cut off and NOT reward bad behavior or stuff like this happens and your frame and power in the relationship takes a nosedive.
These girls are hoes man, and this girl is high risk and disrespectful. She gets mad that she's not exclusive but yet rejects the exclusivity? It sounds like deception.
Taking her to bars, new years dates, and stuff like family knowing each other sounds like LTR type things. Maybe to OP, who has multiple plates its not. But to her and me it sounds like she has all the LTR benefits she needs already, without a label that can hold her accountable for bad behavior.
Your right. OP should cut off women who do that do hoe stuff like tying to smash your friend. That's instant demotion. Also, if the friend has the right game he probably could also hit.
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Big-Dan 4y ago
I agree with SheLarror. Even though it seems like she's interested in you and is doing this as a way to make you jealous and get back at you for having other options, it's overall a huge red flag. It's extremely disrespectful to be flirting with other men in front of you, much less your own friend. I would softnext her and caution against promoting her to anything past plate
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 4y ago
A girl going for my friends at the same time is off-limits. I had this happen before.
I think your mistake was having your phone be in any visible angle for your other girl to see. Sounds like she's revenge flirting. Women have a ton of options but can't handle men having options as well
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 4y ago
No, it doesn't seem like she's genuinely going for him. I should have phrased my initial comment differently and left out the anecdote
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Pedal_Moonpower 4y ago
There is shit test and nuclear shit test, second is ending the interaction, summary in sidebar.
From.your.initial post you didn't see her flirting, only her fucking up with your head later.
I had almost identical situation. I let her talk quite a lot about this dude she works with and how constantly he's asking her out and whahtever. By her reaction to my response I.think it was very good.
It was impoortant, that although my blood boiled initially, when I said.it it was calm and split in 4 sentences with pauses, and I had this soothing powerful feeling at this time, its very good to say.
For another year it was bliss, till she sluted up - once her always single friend came with visit, and I found out.
I like what SheLarror says. Shit test is disrepect, measured.
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Pedal_Moonpower 4y ago
Hard to.say is.she even LTR material as her shit test is verging on nuclear, all depends how it really went between u two (+ non verbal comm).
Me personally I.wouldn't take her out anymore as that could be.investing in her your time and limiting prospects? Also she has access to.your group(s) and can do stuff behind your back if she turns out to be crazy.
Anyway STFU
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Pedal_Moonpower 4y ago
I wouldnt go that far to.answer with ready recipe for something yet to occur as that will fork into more options right awat once you'll apply.
My favourite are AA, AM, walking away, ghosting also not looking trough pink glasses and xperimenting given you know basics.
She already knows you fuck around, watch not to give her much attenion, that would make.her think she's the best plate, which It think she already thinks, in.which case break, long break, don't talk reason, don't explain when you see her after break.
The best read sidebar and books and choose most appropriate action from all.examples given, train your gut feeling and base knowledge.
redhawkes 2 4y ago
Wtf are these retarded replies ffs.
Had this happen many times.
If a bitch is shittesting you about other guys overtly, ask her if she needs some pickup line with shitting grin, then ignore. What disrespect what horseshit. This is solipsism 101, she want to get a reaction from you. You failed. Don't brush up dread in her face, this is what happens. Dread should be subtle.
By now you should know not to bring plates around your friends. Also, this behavior qualifies her as a plate only material.
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hannulv 4y ago
It's not about mate guarding. It's about not shitting up your life. A good plate can be ghosted with zero drama. When she gets into your friend group, you are giving her ammunition to fuck with your life. She can hang around you indefinitely by going after your friends and fucking them to cling or even turn them against you. Spoiling your friendships and hangouts by working-her-way-through-your-mates is classic revenge for an alpha widow.
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hannulv 4y ago
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
The whole point of a plate is that they are drama-free to drop. As you vet a plate long term, you can discover if she is someone that you could commit to being exclusive with. When your plate pulled shit after you rubbed her nose in another girl's pussy, she crossed lines that eliminate her LTR potential. You can still keep her as a plate and fuck her, but don't ever move in with her.
Most girls will eventually opt out of an alpha-only relationship. There is no comfort or commitment. Girls starving for comfort and commitment will fill the void with orbiters, fucking your needy beta friends, etc. Girls literally change their whole mind about everything every time they wake up. On week 1 they need to get hammered into the floor by an alpha. On week 4, they want to be cuddled by a teddy bear, and receive validating promises of eternal affection. Decisions are governed by feelings, feelings are governed by hormones.
If she leaves because she decides you're a player or if she crosses more lines and you decide you should drop her, it is now more complicated because she has become acquainted with your friend circle. A vengeful ex will try to put the hurt on you by fucking up your friendships. For girls, sex is a superpower. They can literally go a fuck your needy beta friend (or just pretend its a possibility), cry about what a jerk you are and get them to hate you. They can haunt your hangouts and start drama to be annoying by doing shit like flirting with guys and getting them to pick fights with you.
Her actions so far show that this is a possibility with her when she feels scorned, so be careful.
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hannulv 4y ago
The goal is operant conditioning. Stating it is meaningless on its own. You must correspondingly remove time and attention to properly train a girl.
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hannulv 4y ago
I'd guess that its more nuanced. I doubt she thought he was gross, but I think she was doing it to get your attention. If however, he'd taken the bait and turned his attentions towards her, her feelings might have changed. Regardless, she wasn't being a good girl.
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hannulv 4y ago
Girls can catch feels for Betas, particularly if they live in a state of constant dread, but it would have required him simping out. I've seen girls branch swing from high SMV guys to fat, simpy betas that write them poems and bring them flowers everyday when they were denied comfort for too long.
Alpha is great at driving arousal, but pure alpha is not sustainable for any relationship. No LTR can exist on pure arousal. This is heavily age and hormone dependent. If you take a good look at most girl's boyfriends/husbands, they are not the guy she would let fuck her in the ass in the club stairwell, they are often guys that make you think "what the fuck is she doing with that dad-bod needy simp?"
Keeping up low grade competition anxiety in an LTR keeps the bedroom alive, but hardcore dread 24/7 will wear girls out.
There is a dual nature to females. They are attracted to high quality beta traits (resources, security, commitment, comfort), but aroused by alpha traits. In order to keep a girl long term, you must provide both, and at the right times. During estress, the female Bonobo will attack any male that tries to fuck her except the alpha, but outside estress, the female Bonobo will fuck any male that brings her gifts and attention.
There's a reason the super hot peter-pan surfer guy that lives with his mom gets plenty of ONS but no stable girlfriends. Girls don't understand their own feelings because their ovulation cycle is hidden from themselves. There seems to be a mental block around it too, as no girl ever fucking knows when they're ovulating, even though its super easy to track.
SheLarror1234 4y ago
This
whytehorse2021 4y ago
It's a shit test. It's always a shit test when women bring up other men OVERTLY. A beta male will get insecure. An alpha will A&A or what not.
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whytehorse2021 4y ago
Pretty much. If she was into him she'd fuck him and not tell you.
Temerity18 4y ago
You have plates, she has plates. No problem
Get over yourself.
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