Not "Nice Guy" in a sense that I think women owe me sex for me being nice. Ever since I was young, I was called especially by my mom that I'm a 'nice guy'. The way she and others talk about me makes it seem like I'm just this passive harmless thing that has a good heart despite my social awkwardness (cringes).
Thing is, I don't want to be that way. When I talk to the opposite sex, most can be really friendly with me and sometimes sharing their feelings and all that stuff. Perhaps they see me, as I've said, just another nice harmless guy. I've always wanted to be seen as a masculine competent guy that both men and women look up to, the kind of guy women are attracted to and 'miring quietly.
How do I make the change?

francthegreat 4y ago
one thing you have to realize is that women are like predators. they sense weakness or ‘nice guy’ behavior in everything you do, say, even the expression on your face. its funny because its your mom that probably raised you like this. its going to take a while to break those habits but start small. say less please and thank you’s. dont smile as much. whenever women in your life ask you for things consider saying no even its its something that doesn’t bother you. in order to not be a nice guy you have to start being the bad guy
Hanscheezburger 4y ago
nope. smile as much as you want, especially if you have a good smile and a nice set of teeth like I do. I've had many told me they fell for me because of that smile.
It's what you think and do that matters. Know what you want, be honest with yourself, and don't be afraid to ask for it. OP, when you realize you can tell a girl to take off her clothes, get on her knees and suck your dick and most of them will actually love it, you'll swallow the red pill
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pfeilmacher 4y ago
Inside every nice guy is an arrogant asshole waiting to be let out. Stop being ashamed of who you REALLY are and let out the arrogant asshole to play a bit.
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Ketogainsmongoose 4y ago
So like in any skill that you are new to, you start off with low expectations and start with small actions.
Start off by not being polite to strangers. Don't hold the door open, don't say thanks. Don't say please. Don't give money to the homeless. Get very liberal in the use of the word "no" and go from there.
The theory is that if you can't even tell strangers no, if you can't even be rude to total strangers over small things, then how can you ever hope to have the strength to stand up for yourself with bigger things with people who matter in your life
Just like a weight lifter who is lifting for the first time, you start with low weights and go from there. You don't start off trying to lift the heaviest weight in a competition with no previous lifting experience: you're just going to fail.
And just like weight lifting: if you commit everyday to progress and stick with the program, you'll completely reinvent yourself in 6-8 months and everyone else will start settling into your new normal.
Pedal_Moonpower 4y ago
Forget about imminent change, unfortunately.
The easiest start is from easiest things, reprogram yoir thinking as it was programmed otherwise already.
Read books and read them again, look for real life conditions to reinforce these new teachings: people actions, behaviour.
Ie 48 laws of power. In one aspect the book.title is misleading. I have expected tiresome book about struggles of life and ways to.circumvent them with some boring laws. Although book is full of interesting anecdotes and real life stories with analysis (although accuracy of some stories look slightly stretched from my studies)
This is kind of book I would introduce to school to become compulsory at the age of 15-18
Read reprogram restart
aldabruzzo 4y ago
Start by stopping certain things.
1) Stop talking so much.
2) Stop smiling so much.
3) When I talk to the opposite sex, most can be really friendly with me and sometimes sharing their feelings and all that stuff.
STOP doing that. Stop listening to women. Period. Stop giving women your time for free. Stop lettting them share their feelings with you. If you're going to be giving women your time, you need to be getting something back for it, and that "something" needs to benefit you.
The way you stop doing this is to be busy. Keep busy. You're a busy guy. You don't have time for women using you and taking advantage of you. You don't have time to listen to women share their feelings. You have shit to do. So go do it. Masculine competent guys have shit to do. If you have time to listen to a woman share her feelings, then you aren't busy enough and you don't have enough to do. If you don't have enough to do, fucking get busy and find things to do. Time you waste listening to a woman can be spent at the gym or with male friends or working or on your own hobbies.
If a woman expects you to listen to her share her feelings, then you need to expect her to give you something valuable. So your rule needs to be if you're giving a woman something, she needs to give you something back. If she's not, then cut her out of your life.
In general, the way you make this change is by not giving women anything that isn't being reciprocated. If you're doing all the giving, and you're not getting anything back, then you need to just stop.
Final_Biochemist222 4y ago
Sorry. I guess I should've made it clearer. So most of the time when I'm actually listening to women's emotion and all that stuff, it's usually the case where I'm trying to get closer to them and will usually result in my personal benefit. For example, I sometimes would listen to my boss's complaining or my client's and show them empathy, so that they would feel more at ease with me and we can possibly benefit from each other in the future by being more open. I don't consciously make this effort because I want the benefit, but it's just the case of how I operate and get through life. So it's something like Jack Black's character from School of Rock
However, when doing this often, I kinda feel ridiculous. I see other guys, especially the more masculine competent ones get by with women admiring them and can just talk bluntly and get what they want, whereas in my case I have to take the role of the beta 'mediator', like the 'little brother' that everyone wants to help. I wanna change that's why i made this post
Hanscheezburger 4y ago
what the hell is with people believing this?
if the point of stop being a nice guy is to do whatever you want then just smile if you want to. Do people actually think carrying a resting bitch face all day will make them more attractive?
I smile a lot and tease people all the time. part of being cocky is being able to smile and tell them to fuck off or shit test them right back
mattyanon Admin 4y ago
Touch them to find out.
Lift, be fit.
Seduce women.
anima 4y ago
Have you read Robert Glover´s "no more mr nice guy"? It helped me along my (ongoing) journey. It also features some breaking free activities, although it's basically asking the right questions for you to reflect on.
Also it sounds like you put women on a pedestal. But then again: you did not elaborate on your behavior in regard to males, so there's no data look into. Sounds like you yourself and your needs aren't the focal point of your "frame".
whytehorse2021 4y ago
Have yourself as your mental point of origin. Always put yourself first. Nobody gives a fuck about men so we have to give a fuck about ourselves first.