Recently i have been traveling the world for my job since 2020. I lived in Southeast Asia and South America so far. Currently in South America but i was back in Los Angeles California (my hometown) for a few months.
It really was my first time back home for an extended amount of time since being "woke" from meeting and being exposed to non-western girls. I always rolled my eyes and guys who said this, but i find it to be so true. Western girls are really overvaluing themselves nowadays.
Heres some background, i have a high SMV appearance wise, and can get dozens of IOI's from beach babes in California, and HB8+ whenever i go to Target, or the bar, or the gym etc. So i definitely would consider myself high smv as i have also found myself dating a few HB8's on my resume and get approached by decent chicks (7.5 occasionally a strong 8), which would imply im a high 8 or 9?. But in the Western world, girls still go out of their way to reject me, on some occasions. I notice you can not even be 50% nice to a Western girl without triggering a form of them giving off a smug vibe of rejection.
For example I literally went months without a random "bitchy attitude" unless provoked from a girl until i was literally in a TSA section going back to America from a foreign country. It was an AMERICAN girl overseas visiting family who shoved my suitcases into the TSA machine at the airport for no reason at all and then did the whole crossed arms/rolled eyes treatment. Then in America when you go to the store you will approach these girls randomly in the wild no matter if you are a high-value man or not. But outside of America, none of this. If a girl acts like a bitch to you overseas its because she may just be a bitch to everyone, or its most likely because you provoked it somehow.
From my experience, Western men are not allowed to really have polite conversations with female strangers unless its during a customer-work situation like a restuarant or store, anything more is seen as extreme in our society. But in other countries, girls actually treat random men in their local cities like human beings and make genuine small talk with what would be considered "lower" smv men.
But in the West, if you are perceived as lower SMV you will not be treated like a normal human being, which is the anti-thesis to a functioning society. Perhaps the goal of the whole Western agenda to destroy our societies, but thats another conversation. In Latin America there are no incels. There is someone for everyone and even the uglier guys here can find a chick with a decent Latina body here.
You will also see guys here who are maybe a 6 with an HB8 for example, a latina who would probably be dating a really upper-tier top 5% guy in the USA if she was americanized. Because of this you will notice that a lot of HB7++ latina girls will give you IOI's everywhere you go, and they are more approachable here because there is no weird stigma and girls dont think theyre more superior than your average successful guy.
It is NOT a race thing though. When I was in LA, I noticed that HB5 and HB6 latinas were stuck up and rude and generally entitled. Again, this is not a HB9 white girl we are talking about. So this is not a race thing, rather a cultural/environmental thing. Like i said i grew up in LA and dated a fair share of white and latina girls. HB7, HB8, etc. But the HB5 and HB6 girls act rude and petty for no reason.
Its an easy cop out to dismiss it and say its because foreign girls "want a green card" or "want your money" or your just "high status because you are American in a foreign country" which seems to be the logic. But like i said, a 6/10 guy outside of America will always have a girl to fuck and can date "up", this is just my experience.
I would like to know other peoples' perspectives and insights on this. There is a lot more to this but i cannot think of everything right now, just wanted to put this out in the asktrp space.
whytehorse2021 4y ago
I had the same experience. Modern western women are the worst women on the planet. Hands down. Best to avoid like the plague.
SgtBuchannon99 4y ago
TLDR; Girls in America think everyone friendly is hitting on them. Girls outside of America dont. If you are average in America you will suffer in the dating scene and not be treated like a decent human being even in day-to-day life. The only exception to this is finding yourself in the right social circle at the right time for an average guy. Outside of America an average guy has potential to date up and will be able to socialize freely with attractive girls without them getting a huge ego boost. Girls in America run by a validation system. You are nice to them? "he wants to fuck me", you look at them "he wants to fuck me". They get the validation in their minds and one-up you and discard you. The second they believe you have validated them they think they can disrespect you. Only way around this is asshole game, where you dont validate them at all and dial up indifference to 110%. Obviously this creates a broken dating system in the West. Outside of America, girls just take everything for face value usually, which leads to easier relationships, sex, etc.
Escapethecity 4y ago
You really nailed it. It sucks to date in America, and I've been really successful at it, and now being a fucking cold sociopath is basically the only way now and it's not fun anymore.
Hanscheezburger 4y ago
Asian girls treat Asian men pretty much the same way. The small difference is they have a lot more pressure to get married before 30 so they'll try to lock you up sooner. It's also a bit harder to get laid because many of them still live with their parents and they don't stay overnight or go out too late. Still, if you're used to the culture you can get a decent roster going.
If you're white though, prepare for it to get more complicated. It's not that girls who genuinely like you don't exist, but you're basically walking with a target on your back. A lot of Asian girls at Western clubs are there for only one reason: look for white guys and don't give a shit about Asian guys. They will do anything to manipulate you and hope to get you as their bf/husband, for economic reasons and the fact that it's seen as something fashionable and more high status. These girls are often 7/10 at best but like most 7s, act like they are 10. I've heard many horror stories about these, from giving their men punctured condoms to stalking, doxxing etc... Always be on guard with them and never take them back to your place, rent a love hotel room or something like that
placer 4y ago
A good deal of the religion of “wokeism” is the belief any average or below average man trying to get together with a woman is a bad person (as Scott Anderson recently put it. “the feminists were condemning basically every possible way of approaching a woman as creepy, without giving any suggestions for alternate non-creepy ways to do this.”).
For countries which do not subscribe to the tenants of wokeism (Latin America, Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, Africa, etc.), dating for anyone who is not an 8 or higher in their SMV suddenly becomes possible.
When I went to Latin America, I went from only being able to get a 2 ugly land whale in my bed to having a 6 attractive Latina passionately making out with me in my bed. Doing nothing more than going to Latin America and doing everything to learn Spanish. Once I hit the gym, got my weight off, and learned a modicum of game, I was not only able to get a solid 7 naked in bed with me, but also she stayed with me and we have started a family together.
BabyUareSoSexy 4y ago
I solo travelled to Poland, and I met a 21-year-old HB 8 there. Spent some time with her, and I was honestly surprised how much different she was compared to the girls I meet in Belgium. She didn't even once shit test me, was very feminine, low n-count, knew how to cook, didn't like to party, and was smart. Haven't found a girl like her in Western Europe yet. Pretty sure they're out there, but haven't found one yet in 25 years.
Growing 4y ago
The only difference in Africa, the first thing you'll encounter ia an attempt to friendzone. When you have succeeded in maneuvering your way around that, you can proceed.
However, it's very communal there. Excommunication from one group affects the interaction with other groups too. Most groups merge and dissipate based on distance so word spreads fast.
If you get a girl's respect in Africa, it's hard to lose it if you practice RP stuff. You might part ways but she'll atill hold you as a man. On the flip side, she'll not disrespect you outwardly but you'll see it when you act like a beta.
Respect is vital on the African communities.
As a white person in African countries, I'd say you look more or less of a bank account. Almost instant beta bucks. The sex part is mostly adventure for women.
Tooktheredpill 4y ago
American women are mostly overrated whores who are bitchy. Understand that and treat them as such, unless they prove to you otherwise. This is coming from a fellow E-5.