I can hold frame decently around new people and start conversations/etc but should i contribute to guys friends frames? It feels sort of weird knowing i purposefully left my frame and they start acting super self confident without even knowing why lol(me contributing to their frame) but should i do it/is there a use for it? also if im feeling sad is it better to withdraw from womens presence or is it ok to play beta game for a bit? Or i should refrain from ever knowingly acting submissive? Thanks
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RPEsq 4y ago
Frame is being 100% comfortable and confident in yourself. You should always hold it.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 4y ago
You try not to let people see you in bad/sad moods, Even anger, you don't show those emotions, neutral is ok. Remove yourself until you are under control again, you are supposed to be a Rock. Easier said than done in LTR
acting submissive? Never, she'll just lose attraction for you. Unless she's a dominatrix
hannulv 4y ago
Dominatrixes aren't attracted to subs, they're attracted to watching themself dominate someone.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 4y ago
hmm, right, so she'd dominate him as he is submissive. am i missing something?
Tooktheredpill 4y ago
Frame is a state of mind and being, not some act that you turn on or off. You either are or are not. If you ever “are not,” you need to work on that reason. After enough “practice,” it’ll become a constant, instinctual part of you.
hannulv 4y ago
this is non-sensical. Frame is not your self-confidence or feelings of validation. You either have frame or you don't. You can't give it to anyone. Frame is simply having unapologetic rational self-interest. It is being your own mental point of origin. If you have frame, then you look at how something affects you, your goals, your needs, and your life before you look at how it may affect others. You don't compromise yourself because you are worried that it might hurt someone's feelings, or because they may not like you. When you have frame, you don't need or seek validation from others... you respect yourself enough to walk away instead of taking a sour deal, even when there's risks and unknowns. Frame means doing what's right in your own eyes, and not putting up with bullshit just because of other people's demands or expectations. Frame means you assess situations, choose the best course of action, and let the chips fall where they may. You don't give a fuck if anyone second guesses you, because you did whats right for you. You don't need external validation. You have things that are much better: self-actualization and self-respect.
People with frame always pass shit tests, because when you have frame you can't be baited or pushed around. They don't lose their temper or cool, because other peoples words and opinions aren't part of the emotional calculus.
It doesn't mean you're necessarily a selfish prick. You choose the best course of action in dealing with your friends, lovers, and family. But YOU are the one who decides the right thing to do, and they don't have to like it.
Here is an example of a man with frame:
Girlfriend: I really want to go on a trip together. I'm so bored and have nothing to look forward to.
Man: I'm not dipping into savings to go to a resort. I told you I would take time off to go camping in March. If you're bored, you should finish that garden project you started.
Girlfriend: You're not my boss, you can't tell me what to do. I'm just going to go with Becky then. At least Becky wants to be around me.
Man: You're entitled to do whatever you want, and I'm entitled to not date girls that go to Island resorts with their girlfriends.
Girlfriend: You're such a controlling jerk.
Man: (Grabs her ass) I think you like it when I'm in control. (Grabs a fistfull of hair and kisses her, then slowly pushes her onto her knees...)
Hanging out sad is called moping. Don't mope, go work out your sad in the gym or something. It's not about withdrawal its about properly using your time to take care of yourself. Should I withdraw to brush my teeth or let my gums rot in order to hang out more? No difference.
whytehorse2021 4y ago
There's nothing wrong with building up your bros but it shouldn't be at the expense of tearing yourself down.