In a month I maybe had 6 matches in total.On average I got 2/1 match a week. Its really depressing to swipe 100/200 times and dont match with any girl. As someone who is virgin at 22 and isnt especially outgoing,I have maybe flirted with 10 women in real life so far and asked out one or two of them.I cant imagine ever cold approaching or meeting 200 women in real life and getting rejected by all of them.Its like having several big social circles and that not a single one of them there is attracted to you. I used to be fat majority of my life,I dropped weight,worked out and gained muscles,it can always be better and I am working towards it,but still I think that I am in better shape than 90% of population. I have six pack abs,and I am jacked. Like I have two first pictures of me being half naked,showing abs and muscles,on other pictures I am doing cool stuff that demonstrate high SMV with clubs,travelling,high risk sports and so on.
Maybe I am wrong,but I think that my odds would be better if I use tinder in USA,not in eastern Europe.I am sure of that because in US online dating is more popular way of meeting people and population is more dense I belive.
But still I used a photo of some average instagram model who is skinny but seems like have attractive face and I would got like 10 matches a day. Its really depressing makes me wonder am I destined to be virgin and should I forget about getting laid.
hannulv 4y ago
I can't help but think that your sexual inexperience is going to hinder your game, especially at your age. Do you have any big expectations for your first time? If not, then I can think of strategies to get your sea legs.
Slumpbusters - Go out and don't even bother with the good looking girls, go straight for the 4s and 5s. You'll have plenty of extra confidence and learn how to act around attractive girls by flirting with girls that are far under your SMV. You might even find some hot cougar. There's some chubby girls with pretty faces. I know you can make it work. This is training and practice. Pay attention to body language and social cues. Practice your game. After a couple of notches, you can move up to your own league with a little more confidence. Don't try to pretend you're experienced your first time. If she wants to go all the way, she'll be fine with being your first. Slumpbusting is also a good strategy if you've been out of the game for a while.
I was a virgin at 19, I was chubby and smelled bad. I ended up at this party and met a girl who was jaw-droppingly cute. I invited her to a Halloween party that Friday. She showed up wrapped in a sheet like a sexy Greek goddess. She was 22. I walked her back to her place. She invited me in and lit candles and told me she was leaving in the morning for a three-month trip to Spain, but she was free for the rest of the night. I didn't even kiss her. I don't even think I brushed my teeth that day. I thought she was telling me that because she didn't want anything serious. I was such a fucking retard. But if I hadn't been such a fucking retard I would have been too scared to try anything anyway, and if i had I probably would have humiliated myself. Don't be me.
MonkMode 4y ago
Tinder you will have slightly better success paying to play, but it should not be your main area to get women. More like a game of wacco mole.
Focus on getting out in the field. Whores are out from 10-2 at the bars. Start building report there. Also go where women will be in the day. Force a conversation everyday. Become numb to the rejection because that's just the start. After you start number closing, get ready for more rejection. Once you start dating, Get reading for ghosting.
It all will help build a idgaf attitude but you will really want a strong social circle to fall back on so you don't feel like a complete loser.
AllBlack087 4y ago
But is there any difference in real life than on tinder. If 200 girls dont like me on Tinder why would they like me in real life?
MonkMode 4y ago
With that attitude, no.
master-of-losers 4y ago
On Tinder it's you vs thousands of guys. In real life it's you vs the few that have the balls to approach.
AllBlack087 4y ago
That kind of makes sense.
Guyandtheroadtovictory 4y ago
Yo,
If you are virgin, I suggest to meet women in real life, because:
You see, dating apps are great source to escalate meetings, but using PUA is secondary - first comes TRP (you and your value, mastery of your craft and yourself, understanding of social dynamics). Tinder is not for chatting but dating - concentrated communication for undetstanding what sits on the other side and if it is complimentary to you - logistics.
Nevertheless, Photofeeler could help.
BR,
AllBlack087 4y ago
I have,there are women on crossfit I attend like 6 of them.Majority are older than me by 7 to 11 years.I asked first girl in my life out ,I asked for coffee,she was nice to me and we talked a lot,she is like 32 and she rejected me.Others are not particulary friendly towards me. I moved to another colleague,there will be around 30 new girls I will meet when the year starts,but there is way more guys.I cant ask all of them out,I will try with 5 i find the hottest or the 5 that makes me think like me the most out of 30.Rumors will spread out but fuck it. I dont know what after that,I will try to get to know guys,make a lot of friends and attend partys.It is less likely to happen and that it will bring me to situations to meet a lot of new girls weekly or monthly but I will try. The only thing left is cold approach,but I am so inexpirienced I have only asked one girl out in life recently,I have very rarely directly flirted with girls,and I feel so insecure. And I am coward,it makes my blood run cold the idea of approaching strangers and flirting with them,I am socially anxious,I would be anxious to approach even unkown guys to ask them something.
And if I was attractive I wouldnt be virgin and kisless at 22(although I was fat majority of my life,I doubt it will be any different if I was fit).I am scared that I wont have any sucess even cold approaching.
Guyandtheroadtovictory 4y ago
I like the comment on: "Within a social circle, don't ask a girl out unless she is clearly attracted to you". and "Don't shit where you eat".
Cold approach is hard when appropriate surroundings is not suitable for your self. For example, for me, shared common interests (not crossfit classes where you are growing your skill) are the key - dancing, singing, social gathering places as festivals, concerts. Dont push yourself too hard - meet people and enjoy your life, girls come when there is appropriate time, meanwhile - enjoy the life and its goods! Meet people, craft your skills and expand your surroundings and make a place for opportunities!
P.S. of course, cold approaching is stressful, but dont pedestalize other people - everyone has its flaws and food leftovers between teeth, everyone poops. Get to know women - they are not monsters - could be that some will give you opportunities that you would not imagine ;)
master-of-losers 4y ago
Don't shit where you eat. But if you still want to, I suggest you proceed like this:
Within a social circle, don't ask a girl out unless she is clearly attracted to you. Heck, even if she's clearly attracted to you don't "ask her out", just suggest doing something together (preferably something where you can easily end up at your or her place). If she declines for whatever reason, ignore. Asking out someone within a social circle that is not attracted to you will give you a guaranteed rejection, and news will spread among the females quicker than you'd think. This will deal a huge blow to your social proof. Instead, focus on getting them attracted. Work out (you're already doing this, keep it up!), make many friends, NEVER seem to be desperate to get a girl, instead portray that you couldn't care less about what the girls think about you, for example by teasing them a lot. AFTER you notice attraction from one of the females, you can proceed with inviting her to do whatever and she will happily follow you.
AllBlack087 4y ago
I dont know ,I am confused with all contrary advices and strategies.Like in sidebar there is a part of social game. Where the idea is to get to know as many people as possible make your social circle big so you can meet a lot of girls.Then you ask everyone for coffee,firstly guys,then women,even those that you arent attracted,the point is to spread among the people that you are social guy,so when a girl rejects you or says that you ask her for a coffee to her friends,it doesnt seem like a big deal because you are asking a lot of people for a coffe.Then it is said if she declines,or suspects that you are attracted to her,play it like you thought at her as a friend and in that way ask for a coffe.Then the girls that rejects you you keep them as a friend and use them to meet other girls,then you ask them out and the process repeats itself.
Also On the red pill I have saw a popular post,that asks,do you have a lot of sex,if no,are you buff enough,is your body precentage low enough,if yes do you ask enough women out on a daily baises,if not do it and so on. And here you give me the opposite advice to not ask women out in my social circle,well I cant go to supermarket and ask a women out,techincally I could but its very unlikely. I dont critigue your advice it makes a lot of sense,but like all these advices makes sense in some way,but it makes me even more confused,and I was already confused to begin with.
whytehorse2021 4y ago
Online dating is shit for 90% of men. It's also designed to NOT let you match people who like you. It's a business model. Even if you pay you still have to pay more and then there's the fact that it only works for the top 10% of men that are photogenic models.
I get 1-2 likes/year in the US and it never lets me see them unless I pay. If I go to Indonesia I get 70 likes/day and only get to see a few of them.
MonkMode 4y ago
Indonesia you say... Father/Son trip?
whytehorse2021 4y ago
I take the whole family and send them off to visit my wife's family while I go whore around in Bali.
constructionmane 4y ago
Tinder is a pay to win app.
Before I got in my current LTR, I was banging 2-4 chicks a month after upgrading to the “gold”.
You want one picture with you out socializing or with friends, one headshot, and one shirtless picture if your toned.
I don’t recommend using it to use your virginity though.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4y ago
Search "Mallardcove tinder guide" in the forums search bar. Chances are you are fucking yourself over in your photos/bio and don't even realize it
Also, if you have any real life friends who have success on these apps ask them, too. I used a combination of Mallardcove and my friends advice and I've been getting success on the apps