I'm getting very frustrated by this part of game. Feels like I'm trying to do too many things.
What you hear is only text for logistics. When I try that it seems to dry their pussy up. And then you'll see these guys game girls off Tinder and they will send these giant paragraphs back and forth with 15 emojis apiece. That seems effective at times. A contradiction no?
It feels like my infield and game is getting decent. I'll walk away from the club or venue and have 3-4 numbers from hot girls. And then 90% these numbers turn into shit in my phone.
It's not hard for me to create an attraction within a girl. I like to communicate subtly, with slight facial expression or changes in voice. This makes it feel like its impossible to translate myself to text. I end up doing uncalibrated stuff because I have no vibe to go off of.
How do you do this shit?
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Marjuna 2y ago
That's good perspective. 30% seems like a way to not be try-hard.
Bullish_Business 2y ago
That is a approach but not a very good one. Mass approaching is not an option for high value men who are relentlessly pursuing their life purpose.
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Bullish_Business 2y ago
I prefer Bumble as I do not have any social media but if that works that is super cool! Do you get a lot of DM's with that approach?
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Bullish_Business 2y ago
That's whats up. Good shit man!
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Girls will give their numbers out on a whim, it means nothing other than you have the guts to ask.
The numbers turn to shit because you didn't establish enough attraction, comfort and investment from her. And that's because you jumped around the club, talking to girls for 10 minutes each, getting the number, and then ditching her to get the next.
The next day you're just that guy she talked to in the club before he disappeared to talk to another girl.
You can't build attraction over text, and if you try you'll just end up her validation-texting-buddy.
Look at it this way.... if you were a solid contender in person the girls would be easy on text. The problem isn't your texting, it's your in-person attraction/comfort/investment building.
Marjuna 2y ago
Harsh, but I can accept that. Let me ask you something.
The thing I'm struggling with is trying to find out if I'm a "solid contender" vs just the reality that not every single girl is going to like me:
How much of a bad lead (she flakes, ghosts, 1 word replies etc.) do you consider to be your "fault"? How much of it that you simply fall outside of a girl's preference (or she wants free attention etc.)?
How much burden do you assume?
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Ok.
You're right: not every girl will like you. Sometimes you fuck it up, sometimes they girl doesn't like you and never would have regardless. And somewhere in the middle you've got the reality that the maybe-girls might fuck you if your game is solid.
Let me ask you something..... what do you want? You want to know if you are a solid contender? Or you want to know if your game is tight? Or you want to know if the girl likes you? Or do you want to have fun and get laid?
Whatever it is you want, go after that.
Bullish_Business 2y ago
Being someones male girlfriend and chatting with them non stop is not sexy. The phone is for building a connection and then setting a date and then getting off. What is sounds like you are doing is being either a robot and just going straight for a date without building a connection, talking to much and acting like a girl, or jumping at any woman that moves.
I sleep with 1-2 new girls a week and have a solid long term girl I am dating not monogamous at the moment. The best way to approach a woman is to not. As you go about your day, as long as you are being social, conversations will naturally come up with woman. If the conversation is going well give her a business card and tell her to call you. If she texts you instead, wait until the evening and call her, talk for 5-20 minutes then set a date on the phone if the vibe is right. If not just say "hey it was nice talking to you but I gotta run. Hope you have a good evening!" Do not initiate contact before the date, or after for that matter. Just focus on having fun during the date, create physical attraction and then kiss her at the end and give her the gift of thinking about you until she reaches out again. Then repeat and talk for a bit, over a call, if it feels right or just set up a date right there via text and then say you gotta go. Just act as you would imagine James Bond to act. Do you picture him sending texts back and forth non stop with all types of emojis? Fuck that, if you are high value you don't have time for that. You should be pursuing your life purpose, not women. If you are going hard after your life purpose women will sprint to you and you will never chase ever again.
I have never given a girl my card and not have her reach out, nore have I ever asked for a girls number on Bumble and have her not give it to me. This is due to an intense vetting process and building an emotional connection before hand via voice message conversations and ghosting lazy bitch's that put in no effort.
WahmenLover 2y ago
Holy fuck dude you're a degenerate. Or a degenerate liar.
Bullish_Business 2y ago
Hahaha Thanks! Which part has you triggered?
Marjuna 2y ago
I don't personally do the big emoji spiels, but I have seen them work is all I'm saying. Your post has got me thinking.
I've been going for girls phone # even knowing that a # doesn't mean anything by itself. To me, that means that I'm doing it in a very autopilot "I am cold approaching" way. I did the approach! (Confetti, kazoo). It's almost like a participation trophy.
I need to be taking this to a much deeper level if I am expecting to have emotional compliance from girls I'm meeting. I want to reframe my approaches so I am trying to get her investment rather than doing the gamey thing.
As a man building his purpose (but still very far away from it) would you still recommend cold approach just as a means of becoming more comfortable with being bold and social? Obviously you occasionally get laid.
Or do you think purpose will fix that problem automatically?
What if your purpose leads you to a very non-social or only business interactions type of lifestyle? I don't see how purpose alone would fix your girl problems in that case.
Bullish_Business 2y ago
First of all, that is amazing that you are so focused on personal development and doing cold approaches to improve yourself.
"As a man building his purpose (but still very far away from it) would you still recommend cold approach just as a means of becoming more comfortable with being bold and social? Obviously you occasionally get laid."
Well, in the meantime just think about what James Bond would do. It sounds cheesy but that is what I did before I had a successful business and it worked but was not authentic so dating is much easier for me now since it is all authentic and real. You know what you need best but I would say fuck women at this point and just relentlessly work towards your goals. Women want men of value so by becoming a man of value you will naturally attract women. Also, you will get laid much more than occasionally. I lay 1-2 new drop dead beautiful women a week w/o ever going out of my way on top of the few times per week with my long term non monogamous girl which might become monogamous soon as she is hinting that is what she wants and I might be ready to settle down too. Believe it or not sleeping around gets old. Also, James Bond would work to build his business/purpose even if he was not successful right then. So maybe approaching women isn't even what you should be doing. Up to you though.
"Or do you think purpose will fix that problem automatically?"
Your purpose should be the most important thing in your life over everything including women but with that being said women will drool over a man with a clearly defined mission for himself and a clear purpose.
"What if your purpose leads you to a very non-social or only business interactions type of lifestyle? I don't see how purpose alone would fix your girl problems in that case."
I own a security guard company I run 100% from our own office so that describes me perfectly. I met a tall beautiful women who worked at a Lexus dealership and had sex with her a day later. I was just there getting my car serviced. I met this adorable little Mexican girl at a burrito joint and had sex that week after the second date. I was just getting lunch. A man carries himself when he has purpose. You have seen some men that enter the room and you physically feel their presence and their dominance. It doesn't mean they are dominant over you necessarily but just in general that they are dominant males. Women flawk to these men. This aura happens naturally when man has a purpose and the confidence that comes with it. Women can feel this same feeling but 10x and it makes them wet as fuck. Why do you think women like being choked, spanked hard and having their hair pulled during sex? It is because they want to feel how in complete control their man is and her man can do whatever he wants to her while he is inside her. Women crave this dominant aura.
But with all that being said, I meet 60-70% of the women I date from Bumble because it is easy and you are guaranteed to meet motivated women on that app. So there is always a way.
Marjuna 2y ago
That makes sense. Just trust the process
You've given me a lot to think about. I appreciate that
Bullish_Business 2y ago
My pleasure!
bjjneck 2y ago
I'll send one or two texts of convo, then Ill set a time and place for date. I thought about "text game" a lot and how it could affect the outcome. Maybe I should have said this or that and maybe gotten a date, but I think it's more minuscule than I realize. If a girl wants to get with you, it's less about the texting and more about meeting you. All the girls that I've dated didn't beat around the bush when it came to logistics. However, it's important to not be autistic with your texts. Keep it simple stupid is pretty spot on for me.
Marjuna 2y ago
Brevity is king