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skuttt 5y ago
Married women get hit on less. So if that’s a problem for you, there’s the only benefit.
People in this thread saying: kids: I don’t get. I’m LTR’d and going to kid her up without marriage. It’ll be no different.
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE
Super_Ad_1226 5y ago
“ what’s a good reason to go to jail with no parole”
BasilevsNihili 5y ago
There is no reason, stop looking for reasons to be a blue pill cuck.
mairomaster 5y ago
Not everybody is like you buddy, wanting to get married doesn't make you a blue pill cuck, being a blue pill cuck makes you a blue pill cuck.
BasilevsNihili 5y ago
There is no rational reason to get married. And the only emotional reason is to get 'good boy points' because you 'did the right thing' like a good dog.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
There is only one good reason to get married: you are female.
7SAS7 5y ago
The only good reason for getting married is when you have kids.
Personally, I’m not having kids until I’m 100% convinced I am with a woman who is capable of raising kids while also being married.
The purpose of marriage is to solidify the relationship commitment when having children. There is absolutely nothing worse than raising kids as a single parent. A vast majority of the issues we see in society are the product of broken homes and single parent households.
If you’re going to have children, you best hope it’s a woman you can safely marry without the anxiety of “divorce rape”. Of course, divorce may still happen, but if you find the right woman, you will (probably) be fine.
The people you hear on TRP are primarily men who picked the wrong woman from the start and are subsequently traumatised by their divorce. Don’t listen to everyone on TRP. There’s a lot of negative opinions on marriage around here, and for fair reason. Make your own judgement based on your own values.
marcusaureliuswisdom 5y ago
Correct.
Most successful married men want what most successful married men have wanted throughout history: a legacy. That means children, a stay-at-home wife, and all the usual trappings that indicate power, status, and wealth. While incredibly rewarding and purpose-driven, building a legacy is expensive and time consuming. I have personal experience with this path.
-President Teddy Roosevelt
DiskKiller2 5y ago
I got bad news for you bro: The marriage ”solidifies” nothing.
watermelonicecream 5y ago
The idea that marriage is good for kids is an oversimplification.
It’s not marriage but the dual parent household that is essential for kids, being married makes it more likely your children are growing up in a dual parent household.
But you can live together and raise a nuclear family without being married.
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
It’s complicated. If the relationship is toxic, married or not, then a dual household is not necessarily the best option.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
No, this is bullshit.
Being married offers you zero extra protections as a father.
The only difference is that you are offering the mother alimony cash and prizes TO BREAK UP THE FAMILY.
You are motivating the mother of your children to leave. That's the only difference. Money if she leaves.
Marriage does not solidify the relationship. It DESTABILISES the relationship by offering the mother money to leave.
No.
You'll probably get fucked. Statistical fact.
No.
Marriage = paying her to leave.
This is not the fault of "wrong woman". Women are adept at presenting themselves as marriage material when they want to get married. It is not the fault of men that they go into marriage with high hopes.
Well, that's a lot of bullshit right there.
Your own values and your own judgment is IRRELEVANT in the court of law.
If you commit you will lose attraction. With attraction lost, she will hamster a reason to divorce you and claim alimony for life.
95% of "successful" marriages only work because it is financial suicide for the man to leave. Want to live your life at threatpoint? Want to have to please your wife every single day in order to avoid divorce rape?
Look, marriage is simply a terrible plan. It evolved from a mutual protection into the extortion of money from men to women. It no longer has a place in any man's life.
Evidence? Look at all the men who "married their dream princess unicorn right out of school" who are now paying alimony for their unicorn to live in their house fucking someone else.
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
You obliterated him, without mercy lol. A much better job than I did bravo standing ovation.
MARRIAGE DOES NOT GIVE MEN ANY SPECIAL RIGHTS OR GUARANTEES AS FATHERS.
Let that sink in fellas.
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MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
No.
Noone is talking about abandoning kids, obviously.
Agreed, thus it would be irresponsible to pay their mother to break up the family, which is all marriage is.
I never said that and I am not suggesting that.
No, this is nothing to do with marriage at all. Marriage is to support the MOTHER. If she leaves. For any reason. Including wanting to fuck someone else.
Child support = child support.
Marriage = wife support. Regardless of her reasons for leaving.
Marriage is a fucked up institution that benefits women who want a retirement fund paid for by a man, regardless of her motivations, performance, fidelity, etc.
New_Guard 5y ago
The funny thing is, I might consider raising a child myself. Maybe in theoretical space, a good wife could be found who would make a good mother and still be a good romantic partner. But I have yet to date one who struck me as a valid option in that respect. Barring that, I'd rather raise a child myself than raise a child while also dealing with an increasingly fat, nagging wife who may divorce rape me and take my kid and resources. Better to take care of one child who you're the boss of than two children, one of whom can cut off your balls if she decides she wants to.
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New_Guard 5y ago
I'm not genuinely considering this. I'm loving living childfree. I'm just thinking theoretically, if there were some way to have a child without a woman being involved. Doing it alone sounds way easier than doing it with a wife.
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
Ok, fair enough, we’re just bitter losers and there’s some truth in that maybe. But I’ll leave this little nugget, the divorce rate for people who get married before 25 is over 60%. So you don’t even get roulette odds with something as important as a marriage. I highly recommend avoiding marriage at all costs, but absolutely don’t even fucking think about doing it before you’re both 25.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
To add to this: 40% stay together....... how many of those 40% are happy? How many are together because they have to be to avoid the divorce courts?
Or with someone who has already been married: that leads to an increase in divorce rate.
So you need a girl over the age of 25, never married, still young and hot, hasn't fucked many men..... somehow I don't think there are enough of those unicorns to go around.
mairomaster 5y ago
So if you are in top 1% of the man, you can't create a marriage that's in top 1% of the marriages to be sure it will be fine?
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
No.
This isn't 1950.
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ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
I think you’re in denial about the fact that in this society you are playing a game that is very much rigged against you. And for what?
And you can’t really make a sound rebuttal by using anecdotes to counter statistics. The fact is that over 60% of young people will end up divorced. I’d be happy to read any study that suggests that a young couple with a higher IQ has a better shot at staying married. I bet that isn’t the case at all.
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ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
You are just not living in the same reality as most of us, you’re living in your own world. That’s a very myopic take on what the main message is here. It’s not “pathetic and victim like sounding” to avoid marriage in 2021 any more than it is to avoid walking in a field known to contain rattlesnakes. Just like the fool and weak debater that you appear to be, you end your comment by talking about me as if I matter at all. Try again, put on your big boy cap and let’s have an intelligent debate.
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The only reasonable answer I’ve seen on this thread.
Marriage is good for raising children
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
No it fucking isn't.
Paying the mother of your children to leave you is a terrible way to raise children.
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How do you raise children then? A successful marriage is the ideal environment to raise children in.
Sadly the west is on a mission to destroy the nuclear family.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Without being married
Yep. Which is why it's a shame that marriage in the West has been converted into nothing more than a female retirement program.
Yep
mairomaster 5y ago
Maybe just don't be a fucking retard when you are choosing the woman to marry?
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Maybe don't marry at all, given that it is nothing but downsides.
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MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Same thing in the majority of cases.
Nope.
When you enter into a contract you vet both your partner AND the contract.
In this case the contract itself stinks and you'd be a fool to sign it.
No, it's not unlucky: the system is designed to work that way. In fact that's the only way it CAN work: men being deluded and naively marrying for love (from them).
There aren't many women who could give a man the marriage he wants. 10%? 5%? And even then you have to be the perfect husband. That means most men are going to get screwed regardless of how well they vet or behave.
Urgh no.
The majority ends in divorce. The majority that stay together are not happy. And even the ones that "work" are a lifetime of monogamy with ONE WOMAN. Even at best that's a shitty deal.
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MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Even in a legal system that will fuck you over the second she changes her mind?
Even when you are MOTIVATING her to change her mind?
Prenups can and do get thrown out of court.
The best and most reliable prenup is this: DO NOT MARRY.
It's a fact - most men live lives of quiet desperation. Marriage is great for a year or two, and then men find out that they are not in a partnership, they are in a financial support contract with someone who almost literally owns them.
Of course there are no studies that prove it. Noone wants to do that research. But I've never met a married man who can tell me why being married is better than not. Most of them list reasons that are nothing to do with being married. "My wife cooks for me" and "we have regular sex". Stuff like that. Stuff that is nothing to do with being married. Many are clearly unhappy. Most would be better off dating and unmarried. Some are brave enough to admit it.
And that's if you're in the "lucky" 40% who don't have divorce imposed on them.
Ah, but that's a false comparison because the choice isn't between single/lonely or married. Most of the single/lonely people don't have the option to get married, and I have the option of being single and happy. Why would I trade that for a near certainty of married and unhappy.
beachbbqlover 5y ago
Here:
5.Survey says better sex. Chances are she knows some of what you like and don't like and isn't going to shit on you in your sleep.
Managing one is challenging though. Especially in the modern climate.
Spirited-Foot 5y ago
What survey says marriage sex is better??? Ahah
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The media says this to get men excited for marriage
Spirited-Foot 5y ago
Yup
MusicgoonV2 5y ago
You get married if you like having your life ruined or if you're looking for an excuse to jump off a bridge. Maybe you have a fetish for being treated like a piece of shit simply for being a man.
Or maybe you're very poor and the girls family is paying you thousands of dollars to get her a green card?
If you want to know what it's like to get married, cash out your life savings and light it on fire. Destroy all of your possessions. Smash you balls with a hammer and do something that will put you in prison. When you get out of prison you need to ensure you're homeless.
Getting married is the worst idea a man can ever make. Nothing to gain.
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
Hahahahaha this is the best post I’ve seen all day. It just cannot be stressed enough, DO NOT FUCKING GET MARRIED
Groggster11 5y ago
Or cohabitate
mairomaster 5y ago
Bro, you sound like a beta who got divorce raped by an evil bitch. Don't you feel like you are exaggerating a lil bit here? Or it was for the jokes?
MusicgoonV2 5y ago
Bro go watch ,"Marriage Story", or go to family court for a day. My brother went schizophrenic after losing everything. My two cousins drank themselves to death. My coworker put a shotgun to his face. And my girls cousin is still in the mental ward and rehab.
I don't exaggerate. Did you know that when you get divorced you have to pay for your lawyer and your soon to be ex wife's lawyer? You pay someone to fuck you over.
Ask around on this forum. Do you really think this is a joke? It's not. It really is the worst thing you can ever do.
mairomaster 5y ago
I think you are a little biased by the negative experience of the people around you. After all, even in USA about 50% of the people don't get divorced, so it's not that it happens to everybody. If you are a smart high value man and you are choosing the woman to marry wisely and spend enough time with her before marrying her, the odds are heavily on your side and you will most probably have a successful happy marriage.
MusicgoonV2 5y ago
K.
I'm sure that the other 50% of people that stay married are extremely faithful and super happy. Also, I'm betting you're the special snowflake that is the poster boy for marriage. Good for you bro.
mairomaster 5y ago
Being faithful doesn't have anything to do with the conversation really, nor being happy. If you are unhappy, that is because you picked the wrong person to marry, not because of the simple fact that you got married.
Nah bro, I am just a smart, really high value man, who made a good choice when getting married. So I am living a happy life for many years now without any problems with my marriage and I can't be happier with my choice. A truly believe that at least 90% of the men who end up fucked after getting married are just retards/betas who did the wrong choice of a girl in a first place. So choose wisely instead of poring hatred on marriages.
MusicgoonV2 5y ago
Smart huh? So you're telling me that with over a 50% failure rate you feel that marriage is a great investment? So sell me on it... What do you get out of marriage that makes it worth that risk? It's easy to stand on a soapbox and make shit up. I'm sure you're the most alpha Chad that's ever walked the earth. With an IQ that surpasses everyone right?
So smart guy, what makes marriage a great investment? What do all the guys here stand to gain by following your advice?
mairomaster 5y ago
Yeah, because it's extremely easy to be in the top 50%, it just takes a bit of a brain, you know? And if you are a high value man, it's easy to be in the top 1 - 10%, so basically your marriage is guaranteed to succeed if you play your cards right.
Hah, believe whatever you want bro. The difference here is that I know this is true for myself, and in your situation it looks like you are a guy surrounded by losers who got screwed by evil bitches. And you know the logic, if you find yourself surrounded by losers, there is a pretty high chance you are a losers as well :)
Don't get me wrong, I don't advice people to get married. Do whatever you want with your life. I'm just saying that marriage is not this terrible, super dangerous and totally illogical decision that many people here presented to be.
MusicgoonV2 5y ago
Uh huh.
Zombiespire 5y ago
Doing taxes is easier, but that should be your CPA's problem anyway. You can still become a de facto husband and wife (move in together, declare life long loyalty, even have children) without getting legally married and being legally liable for the outcome of the marriage.
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
Just no, fuck no
User36474746 5y ago
Kids.
Obviously in today's social climate, I'm choosing to avoid the thought of marriage.
319Skew 5y ago
You really hate free time and a saving's account.
psypD 5y ago
She has a little lamb.
CrYpToMoOnHuNt 5y ago
Theres no good reason. It‘s high risk of getting divorce raped and little to none reward
mairomaster 5y ago
It's important to mention that this is the case mostly in the USA, there are plenty of countries where divorce rape is not even a thing.
ReeeeDrumpf 5y ago
It provides no benefit to you other than a status symbol and better taxes. People like married men, they come off as more trust worthy and stable.
Married women gain a ton though. For daughters, getting married is the best advice you can give her.
Check your area, just living with a woman makes you common-law, and prenups are up to the judge. They can be thrown out if deemed cruel and unfair to the ex-wife.
Where I live just living together makes you common law married. And prenups are treated as toilet paper.
IBeMadToo 5y ago
The good old de-facto relationship. In my country the men can actually (try) claim half the females assets. Have seen it happen but very rarely.
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RedEyeBlackEye1 5y ago
so OP has chosen death?
grittyrock 5y ago
I'll keep it simple. Only 2 reasons -
Or
gibblesnbits160 5y ago
Obviously the bias of this forum is against marriage, and for good reasons. When a marriage works it has many benefits both financial and mental health wise. The issue is the risks often times outway the very real benefits that marriage can offer. It is up to you to vet a potential spouse rigorously and decide for yourself if it is worth it.
akihonj 5y ago
The only good reason is that you live in a country where medical insurance is needed and she has it and you don't and marriage will put you on hers.
If you're truly red pill and chasing your goals, there is absolutely no reason to ever get married.
Think about it this way, would you buy a car with the same conditions as applicable to a marriage. Of course not, nobody would.
So if you wouldn't buy a car with those conditions why would you sign a contract for marriage purely because some woman opened her legs and in turn wants the ring and dress but not the duty.
tradsouthernmale 5y ago
If you're a trad-con or religious, then it might be worth considering if you'd like to have children, as most decent women won't be interested in having children while single.
El_Serpiente_Roja 5y ago
Best team setup for having/raising kids. It is not ideal necessarily for the individual parents on a singular basis. It depends on a childcentric value system.
HillaryRodhamFan 5y ago
Having a child.
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
You probably should have asked Bill to wear a condom.
HillaryRodhamFan 5y ago
His pull out game strong. Webster Hubbell on the other hand...
Theonewithoutanumber 5y ago
If you get married with a prenup its good. Life isnt just about money
Simple-Craft-9577 5y ago
I’ve heard that prenups get thrown out of court a lot. Is that true ?
Theonewithoutanumber 5y ago
It depends on where it is. From my environment we have religious marriages where the women is entitled to an initiaal sort of gift, but is not entitled to any more than that.
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
The kid thing is a conundrum. I am glad I have kids I feel like they are the only people on this planet other than my parents that actually really give a fuck about me. But regardless of statistics as to the better outcome for the child, I wasn’t going to stay with someone I couldn’t stand, no matter what the cost. I like having kids and not being married. It came at a big cost, though. With the divorce rates and general decline of civilization I think any man who uses the “I want kids” excuse to get married should brace himself for the split assets, support payments, attorney fees, and just in general rage that you will feel towards the person who your beloved children came out of. Divorce rates are over 50%, and divorce courts favor women. It matters fuck all what I or any other guy on this thread has been through, the facts are the facts.
BlondeHornyElf 5y ago
- if she's rich
- if you're marrying into a powerful family you rly want to be a part of
- if you want to create that traditional environment for your children (no guarantees here tho)
other than that it's all liabilities
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AxP3 5y ago
As for the divorce rapee testimonials, feel compelled to listen to them only if you're a bitch of a man. If you're masculine and grounded, you will have enough sense to choose the right woman so you won't need to get divorced. Even if you do, she won't divorce rape you because she respects and fears you. Divorce doesn't just happen. Red flags accumulate for years and years, usually from the beginning of the relationship. It's a whole other issue that most men ignore the red flags and in the end blame it all on the woman because it's easier. If my mother legally divorce raped my father, she wouldn't live long enough to spend it. Not that she'd ever consider it.
RoamFreely 5y ago
Children and honestly if you were to be strategic about it, marry a women with similar resources as you and marry into a family of wealth and or access. Marriage used to be about the in-laws and building a network
MatingAdvice 5y ago
But then you don't have to get richer. Because if you do, an argument can be made that the wife is used to the lavish lifestyle and then you still lose a lot of money in case of divorce. Another argument is that the wife supported you during the years in which you got richer.
You can't win.
harm_and_amor 5y ago
Maybe the point is that even if you get much richer during the marriage, to the extent it is largely thanks to the marriage, then giving away half of those earnings in divorce is slightly less painful?
Spirited-Foot 5y ago
If you can sleep knowing you have 50/50 odds
IBeMadToo 5y ago
Not really. You can basically have all the "benefits" of marriage without actually doing it.
You can marry if you want but it is red pill on steroids. You have to constantly "own your shit" (as Married Red Pill calls it) otherwise you're screwed.
JFeezy 5y ago
My wife has her Masters and makes more than me as a Union Electrician. She also enjoys motorcycling, camping and the same shit. If it wasn’t for her I’d probably only have one bike in the garage instead of 3. Or couldn’t say I’ve been to Brazil for half a month. Or had a 3some in Brazil at that. The trick is finding someone with the same interests/goals as you.
wkndatbernardus 5y ago
Only marry if you're religious or philosophical background mandates it. These days men can do everything a marriage offers without signing on the dotted line so, why make yourself legally vulnerable if you don't have to?
Reasonable_2025 5y ago
Hahaha… come again! I need to take a sabbatical to carry out an extensive research for that answer.
marcusaureliuswisdom 5y ago
I’m not ascribing a value judgment on the following. You do what you want, and you analyze your own risks and goals.
But, for what it’s worth, without a legal marriage, you also will be unable to access innumerable state benefits, including tax breaks, the unlimited gift tax exemption, QTIP trust creation, home equity exemptions, increased income exemptions, child tax credits, certain home buyer programs, certain child custody protections, certain asset protections against bankruptcy, certain travel and health-related access to information, and certain social security, insurance, worker’s compensation, cemetery plots, IRA, inheritance, leave, and legal decision-making benefits (such as standing in a wrongful death suit/alienation, power of attorney, after-death examination, visitation and criminal recovery, and spousal privilege).
bazima 5y ago
children
throwRA3141565 5y ago
you hate yourself
ObjectiveDay8 5y ago
For whatever reason, blame Jews reptiles or aliens, western civilization is crumbling, and the architects of our destruction did it by getting to the women first. They are irredeemable and unfit as wives and mothers.
Intrepid_Artist 5y ago
Having kids and access to her family connection
I married girl from traditional east Confucius society. Her parents are conservative, so is whole wide family.
Honestly I gain more than her. I have acess to her family love, connection, as well wealth, residency, super low taxes on investment etc. My old folks are an average European family with house in countryside
When stock market fall last year, I borrowed 200k from in-laws . Double up in 6 months.
Point was playing game and show old fashion respect to her folks & culture. Gave cash, be kind, be humble before marriage. Anyway they return it back trough different channels. After marriage they let me be a man and lead family on my own.
My kids are raised up bilingual, parents in law are absolutely crazy about them. Wife siblings don't want to have kids. Most of their wealth will pass to my kids They spent summers in Asia, while I am careless whole summmer long. Usually I have a girl or two for summer, not sure either wife has side action too. Her thing. Raising 3 kids it's far from easy and during year we have no time.
For wife i think she likes Europe and slow pace of life. Can raise up kids without in-laws politics and still have long holidays wit her people.
Sex has changed after kids, her body has become more loose ofc, but I still love banging her everynight. Sometimes, we get horny during day and we lock ourself in room, while kids messing around house and infant cries as crazy.
I got lucky. Very lucky indeed. But I planned this very well. Even if divorce, we will still corporate well.
legospartan 5y ago
Fucking losers, most of you.
There are serious advantages to marriage. 1st is raising children if you want great kids they need an environment to thrive in. 2nd if she’s a house wife there are advantages to that too. 3rd if she works or has a hustle you just got another income cograds on the new boat.
Yes most of these things can be solved by hiring a 3rd party to do all the above however the odds are you’ll never afford it.
Divorce rape can be avoided with an iron clad pre-nups and hide your fucking money. Bottom line is it’s TRP on hard mode. Only get married when your frame is bulletproof otherwise you’re gonna have a bad time
Fifaboy98 5y ago
Pre-nups get thrown out all the time by judges and good luck at hiding your money from the government.
alphabachelor 5y ago
Your child is less likely to be abused, live in poverty or suffer from negative life outcomes (become a criminal dirtbag) if you are married. Even when compared to cohabiting couples.
So you have to decide if you want to have kids and expose yourself to the massive legal liability that is modern marriage. If you do not wish to have kids, there is zero reason to get married when you can cohabitate with zero or reduced legal liability. Double check with a lawyer in your jurisdiction to protect yourself.
drkinferno72 5y ago
Taxes