Hi guys,

I'll try to keep it brief. Through out my entire life (in my mid-20s now) prior to the red pill, I've had numerous conversations with men and women regarding a man's obligation to give oral. As the spiel usually goes, 80% of women cannot orgasm from penetrative sex alone and any man who doesn't give oral is a jerk/asshole. While I don't dispute this claim, recently I've come to reconsider this as obligatory.

Fast forward to today, I was watching a past FnF stream (https://youtu.be/gq8TbuA4GAM) and at 2:18:00 a funny exchange occurs where one of the hosts (Myron) states that he does not give oral sex since he "will never submit to a woman". When challenged by the women on the panel who bring up the 80% statistic, he doubles down and says that it does not matter if women don't reach orgasm since female pleasure is irrelevant. Furthermore, while I don't 100% believe this remark, the other host points out that it's a common occurrence where a woman will get 'creamed' by one man and then visit another on the same day so they can get 'eaten out'.

In my own personal experience, I've always just kept my head down (no pun intended) and not questioned this supposed obligation that men have towards women (even after adopting RP beliefs). However, more often than not, when I talk to other guys I find that women themselves rarely give oral sex. In contrast, one of my friends (which by all intents and purposes is about as alpha as they come) once described to me that he's almost always selfish in bed and his girlfriend is still head over heels for him. He even told me once, "once a month I'll give her the f*#k of her life so she stays".

What do you think? Is it counter intuitively more advantageous to be selfish in bed and forelay oral sex or vice versa?