I heard lots of courts nowadays give half of your fortune to your partner if you split, even if you are not married (feminism lol)
Is this the case? (I am in the UK, London to be specific)
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I heard lots of courts nowadays give half of your fortune to your partner if you split, even if you are not married (feminism lol)
Is this the case? (I am in the UK, London to be specific)
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tetrachromancy 4y ago
Look up Common Law Marraige
ay-fuh-q 4y ago
Can't speak to UK laws, but if you're dumb enough to create a joint account, it's possible, I suppose.
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
I plan on not getting married, but living in the same house (after vetting for a long time ofc)
I have a significantly higher income and wealth, and am thinking of creating a small joint account for everyday purchases - groceries, toiletries, subscriptions to film and online newspaper services etc.
This should be OK, right? Also, I won my house outright, it's in my name completely - I won't put my GF's name on it, any advice on how to deal with the comfort aspect of it? (Cobsidering every woman is scared of being left alone with no commitment after the wall hits)
Thanks for your reply
Untoxicmasculinity 4y ago
You might not get divorce raped, but she’s not going to go quietly when you try to upgrade her and there’s still all sorts of fucky shit she can do
ay-fuh-q 4y ago
Create a second account in your name only and give her a card to access the money, if you really want to "share expenses."
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
Oh, so you don't create a joint account? I am trying to understand this:
Example: Account 1: Owned by me (Used by me) 90% of wealth
Account 2 Owned by me (Used by me and GF) 10% of wealth
Is that how it works?
ay-fuh-q 4y ago
That's probably what I'd do, and have her just give me any money she wants to throw in there (or just throw in your share so she can withdraw when she needs it).
If governments or lawyers look at the assets, her name is on nothing.
TeddyMGTOW 4y ago
laws vary country to country and state to state. if your thinking about moving in with a gal, why not consult with a attorney first?
hatefulreason 4y ago
i'm pretty sure i've seen some cases like this in the british press. if you got money find a few lawyers and have them make a file for you with a lot of precedents
fillorkill662 4y ago
This may not apply to your situation (UK), but here in Canada the answer is yes.
We have common-law partnerships which basically mean you are married in the eyes of the law if you have been living together for 3 years (or 1 year if you have a child). I believe the time duration varies depending on the province you are in and other factors may be considered (joint accounts, etc.)
On a related note, I work in banking. It is an absolutely huge mistake to share accounts or list your partner as the beneficiary on your accounts. In some provinces there are 'irrevocable beneficiaries' meaning you cannot remove a named beneficiary without additional legal paperwork being filed. I can't even explain to you how many times I've seen a ex-spouse get assets AFTER a divorce because people are unaware of this. It's gut wrenching to see. I've also seen an un-married couple put everything they have into one joint investment account, then the chick took all the money during their break up ($100K CDN).
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
Thanks for your reply - I'd heard Canada was a bad place for this kind of thing. Someone else in this thread said to have two bank accounts (both in your name, and your name only), and have one holding 90% of your money which only you use, and another one holding 10% which is in your name, but you give your GF access to. Do you think this is safe? On a side note, this is what is seems ideal to me - but obviously not to her, where there is a distinct lack of security/comfort - how do you reassure her that this is a suitable partnership?
fillorkill662 4y ago
Yes, this is much safer. You should create a joint account for the purpose of sharing expenses, paying bills, etc. which you can transfer money into when needed. She does not need access to your 'main' account or investment accounts.
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
I think I didn't make it clear enough:
Not 1 investment/main account and 1 joint account, but
1 investment/main account and 1 daily purchases account (which is completely mine, but I let her use the card if she wants to buy groceries etc.)
So that way her name is completely unattached to my finances
fillorkill662 4y ago
Ah I see. Yes, that is even better.
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
How tf do you even handle that comfort wise though? Im guessing you just need rock solid frame, sky-high SMV etc and what else?
fillorkill662 4y ago
This is all about frame. You must establish a boundary and not break it. Why the F would she need access to your finances? Women love to test this boundary
aegeaorgnqergerh 4y ago
I'd ask LegalAdviceUK as they'll be able to give better answers than here.
I'd avoid using terms like "divorce raped" and "feminism lol" though because it makes you look like an incel.
btrpb 4y ago
You are looking at this wrong. We don't have common law in the UK I think but that's not your issue.
Women, never settle. If you give her a joint account she'll be happy. Then she'll be content, then she'll start questioning why you don't have a "proper" joint account. Why don't you share with her, because you love each other right, and what's yours his hers and what's hers is yours. "Dave & Sally have a proper joint account, look how much they love each other".
By willingly starting this, even with good intent, you are laying the path of possibility, and she will start pushing you further down that path.
Isbjornsolo 4y ago
Yes you can still get "divorce raped" in the UK if she lives with you. If you don't have any paper work organised. Maybe not half your stuff but they can claim some money off you.
A way to avoid this is to have her sign a tenancy contract and pay towards your mortgage/rent/bills etc. But legally she is listed as a tenant not a wife/partner etc. You pay all the bills and she pays you as a tenant.
Keep multiple versions on the contract in various places for future reference also.
Don't help her with any of her car/phone payments (PCP etc), Don't act as a signatory of any personal loans, as she won't have assets to help bring down her interest rate. As you'll be held responsible.
I have friends who work in finance in London. They dated women not in the same earning category 100k+ vs 30-40K and it has worked out ok for them when it went south.
11-Eleven-11 4y ago
I've heard that some places can if you have a partner living in your home. Not sure where.
T-toborn 4y ago
I'm not sure how that works since we don't have common law marriage in the UK
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
So it means as long as you're not married, you can't get divorce raped?
Am I understanding you correctly?
T-toborn 4y ago
Yes, also since there is no common law marriage, even if u are living with a chick in a way similar to if u were married they have no claim to your assets
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
Thanks
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
How do you deal with the comfort aspect?
I don't want kids either, and for women either marriage or children are the biggest signs of commitment - no woman wants to be left alone once she's hit the wall.
I get you need rock-solid frame to handle a relationship like this, that's completely fine by me, but I feel giving comfort and reassurance that I won't leave is not my strong suit
T-toborn 4y ago
Just be straight up with what u want
FalconWizardBudd 4y ago
No such thing as “common law” marriage in U.K law and alimony is vanishingly rare here anyway. If you have kids and split though you’ll (rightfully) on the hook for child support if you’re not the resident parent. You wouldn’t have to pay if it was 50/50 though.
jhx264 4y ago
It's called palimony, and yes, even non- married men get divorce raped. If you live with her and take care of the bills for a certain amount of time, depending on your location you can end up with an order to pay up.
DevilishRogue 4y ago
CAD 6 Million payout for a GIRLFRIEND he NEVER LIVED WITH.
akihonj 4y ago
In the UK, not really, there isn't the concept of common law wife or spouse or husband, the relationship is either legally binding through the marriage contract or not.
That said don't make the mistake that you're home free, you most certainly are not.
Let's say for example you're dumb enough to help her out financially, say with bills, or car payments etc. Then in that case you're willingly taking on financial responsibility for her and agreeing a certain amount of stewardship towards her lifestyle, then depending on the nature of the relationship, engagement, fwb, and the length of time in the relationship.
You could well find yourself in shit for a tidy sum.
Now I know a lot of you guys don't much like mgtow, tldr, I'm mgtow myself, but this is why mgtow state clearly the nature of the relationship from the start, why we don't allow a woman to make any design choices over any property we own. Why we don't sub money to them for things.
Yes we get called twats, cunts even, by both men and women, but at the relationship breakdown she cannot drag us through a court and take anything.
At most all she can do is file fake allegations, that's hard to prove even when there is good evidence.
A UK buddy on mine who followed me into mgtow took what I said and applied it, he's went through a court case where she tried to get a percentage of his house, claiming she had input value. She was asked how much per month she paid, said he'd always refused to let her pay, how much he gave her for her costs, she said he refused to help.
She was asked how much input into design and decoration she had, her reply was he'd always said no thanks he's got it, he knows the way he wants his house to look.
The court ruled on his favour and he's now after the her for the costs. He will win that too.
My advice then for guys reading this outside of the UK, speak to a lawyer, family and relationship law, don't worry about the costs, find out how the law applies to you and where you live, what can happen if you date, long term relationship her, cohabitate, marry.
Find out what you stand to lose for each case, find out if a prenup is of any use, in Europe, the UK they aren't worth anything because a marriage contract takes over the prenup, a court can uphold or ignore as they will.
Fellas protect yourself, your assets and your life first and foremost.
MrSlommy7 4y ago
What would you suggest would be the best approach to secure assets for someone who intends to have a woman around for the sake of raising children? Also UK here
akihonj 4y ago
What do you mean specifically for the sake of raising children.
There are a lot of gray areas there, I know one guy, gay, who does have a child and lives with the mother, they live entirely separate lives and pay half each for the house and the child.
They have a legally binding contract and if they go their separate ways then custody is automatically 50/50.
My best advice would be to get the best legal advice you can regardless.
I know that I'll never marry again, I know I'll never live with a woman again, I know that if the woman I'm currently dating stays at my place she's never allowed to leave anything here, she knows marriage isn't going to ever happen. I don't find her life and she doesn't fund mine, we either split the bill or pay for the other. I don't and won't take responsibility for her kids, if she needs somebody to watch them, they either go to a sitter or family.
Last year I fitted a new kitchen, she offered advice and design choices, she was refused because I hired a specialist to do the work for me. They handled the design and colours and fitting with me doing the plumbing.
She knows I've got the advice from a lawyer, she knows that the lawyer was paid £13500 as a retainer that if I ever get married again to automatically nullify it, that if I ever get engaged to call it off. That money is just a retainer, not the legal fees I'd actually have to pay her should she have to activate do any work.
MrSlommy7 4y ago
I want to have a partner in the future in order to raise kids. I just want to know what the best course of action would be to mitigate any potential legal damage down the line
akihonj 4y ago
Vet like a mutha fucker, would be the best advice I can give, speak to a lawyer before you jump into anything. Seriously speak to a lawyer.
How old are you, 16 what the fuck are you doing thinking about that right now.
25 what the fuck are you doing thinking about that right now.
45 fuck that dude it's time to think about how you move forward with your life.
Other than that, speak to a lawyer, they are paid to give you sound legal advice.
When I spoke to mine she nearly shit a brick, she couldn't get her head around it, when I asked her how much it would cost and she named her price, watched as I wrote a check for it and handed it over she took it seriously and gave me all I needed to know.
By the end of it she even said with laws working the way they are who the fuck in their right mind would even marry a woman today.
Listen dude, speak to a solicitor if they charge you 150 for an hour it will be money more than well spent.
You'll be able to ask them the questions you have about protecting yourself and being prepared for financial penalties related to children and how the laws will affect you, now and how they are changing for the future.
MrSlommy7 4y ago
I'm 29. I don't want to marry anyone for obvious reasons, but I do intend on having a woman around to tend to my offspring. You are right though, I think my best option is to see a lawyer before making any serious life long decisions.
Current-Ticket4214 4y ago
In the US it’s nearly impossible to leave a marriage without giving away half your shit for men. Never get married.
Edit: I didn’t catch the unmarried part. In the US you can still sometimes get railed if unmarried, but it requires that your relationship pass the common law marriage test. Which is typically that you and your partner have told most people you’re married or that you have joint assets.
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
Can u get divorce raped in America without being married?
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
I'm in UK
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BajaGhia 4y ago
Why are you living with a woman you don't plan on marrying within 6 months?
BasilevsNihili 4y ago
Because marriage is supposed to be a life long contract where you as man get no benefit from?
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
I don't want to get married but would like an LTR
Ur not gonna know someone for 15+ yrs and live in diff. Houses
BajaGhia 4y ago
Oh, that makes sense then. SMH.
Get a maid and a dog.
15 year live together relationship might as well be marriage, and the deepening resentment and rising pressure to "make an honest woman out of her" is going to be enough to drive you nuts.
At least she'll have you close at hand to wear down on and put you into khakis and a pastel shirt, like her own dress up dolly. Until she gets pregnant, (oops!)
But dont worry, long after the sex dies youll still be recieving your daily blue pill injection by having to listen to the feminist agenda, feelings, victimization, drama, etc.
I like Basenji's, they don't shed, smell, or bark. Only problem is they are ridiculously intelligent.
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
That doesn't make sense. Us not being married and having no children = she has no security = she has to stay on her toes and fall in line with my standards
BajaGhia 4y ago
Familiarity breeds contempt. And in order to get that security she will become a shrew.
MellyTheCat92 4y ago
Not necessarily - you have rock-solid frame, sky-high SMV and then you can't step a foot wrong
BajaGhia 4y ago
Sounds like you've already made your decision.
Good luck with your prison sentence.