Lots of good responses, but it boils down to victim mentality. "I can't be responsible because I'm the victim"

Which responsibilities? You're talking about men's responsibility sentiments, the only ones you yourself give a shit about. Women don't need men's responsibilities in order to convince men to reproduce with them.

The nature of the question is "why don't women give a shit about the things I give a shit about?" Because you're a man and they're not.

No of course they don't give a shit about the wet of things you feel responsibility towards. Why? because youre a man and responsibility, leadership, success and power is the thing men use to convince women of their mental fitness so they'll fuck. You feel me?

They generally feel responsible when it comes to their kids and their parents if they're not completely broken. Sure they can be lazy in the childcare amd often are but a lot of people consistently slack off at work.

Both men and women do not like responsibility. Some men don't like the responsibilities of being a parent and they fully opt out of that, women too, but men more likely.

The problem is, women get way more of a pass on quitting their responsibilities.

I know 2 women who both were on "disability" for 5 months because they had suicidal thoughts. 5 months of full pay.

I care a lot about mental health, but I've never known a guy who has been on disability for suicidal thoughts. And even if he were, he sure as shit would not be getting the care and attention as the other gender.

1000s of years where men were providers is instilled in them.

Because accepting responsibility often comes with accepting being flawed or accepting a mistake. This in turn, leads them, in their mind, to see themselves as something less.

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If someone with an already low self-esteem or if someone who has this image of themselves as being the righteous one or as someone who doesn't make mistakes, is forced to accept that, then the cognitive dissonance kicks in.

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When it kicks in, the mind will go into defensive mode, deflecting everything to someone or something else, in order to protect the image that they have about themselves.

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Add that to the fact that most women have very strong emotional responses and the fact that their adrenaline response takes longer to cool off.

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The resulting effect is what you talk about.

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Of course there are exceptions to this. Just like everything else in life. Not all women do this. I've met rational women who don't let that nature take over.

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But exceptions are just that. Exceptions, not commonality.

Their brains are smaller. No need for further explanations, right?

They are like kids. Can learn, but takes more effort

Every question you ask about women, ask about men... what you think men are born responsible? Stop worrying about other people, worry about what you feel about yourself. They disgust you but you still want to fuck them, yes? Sounds like a personal problem.

I believe that in society, women are seen as the ones that can do no wrong, and even with domestic violence, a lot of them don't get caught or really pay for their wrongdoing. It is also expected for women to be less of a threat because they are seen as weak and not as strong as men so they can get away with a lot.

If society holds women responsible for their wrongdoing and punishes them appropriately, then more women will realize that they should be accountable for their bad actions because they are wrong, period.

One alarming thing I have grown to notice is that this is common behaviour in all demographics I have seen. The common denominator more often that not is: education. There is a positive correlation with higher education and better quality of thought - rationale, sense of justice, and most importantly: the reasoning that supports that sense of justice. A lot of women don't have enough education or sufficient access to education to develop good reasoning. Someone commented below that the role of men is to guide them - I totally agree that guidance is critical for our social and economic success, and I think that the most efficient way to guide people is to get them to guide themselves. So, I figure the best thing you can do for any woman is to convince them the benefits of getting an education and literally drag them to the uni doors if you have to. Then you have one less problem on your hands - and foreclosed all the subsequent problems that would have followed your inaction on their behalf.

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Since we're scientific people, we have to look at all sides of this observation neutrally. The other missing common denominator here is in your experiences OP. Where do you live? What sort of places do you go to? What kind of people go there? What do they have in common in terms of beliefs or ideas? Are they smart? Would you trust them to always do the right thing even if nobody was watching? Our version of the truth is entirely determined by those kinds of qualities in the people around us. This is why a lot of people move away from small towns and develop aversions to echo-chamber social groups and look for more diverse communities, because they realize that thinking in any one way for too long means its not actual thinking (which naturally grows and supposed to shift paradigms regularly) and is instead fulfilling some unconscious basic psychological need. This is the basis for women (and to be perfectly honest, some guys I know too) not developing their reasoning - basic psychological needs are failing to be met through mature mechanisms, and are instead being met by a dependency on unchanging ideas and attitudes. Which is a great way to never get any smarter ever. It's pretty much brain cancer.

The women you describe are those people who aren't even aware of their thoughts, ideas, or attitudes and why they have them or feel they're serving a purpose. So whenever you see this situation, the obvious solution is to get them to understand the essence of the following:

The weak/stupid double down on the ideas or attitudes that they use to fulfil basic psychological needs for security or self esteem (they don't know how else to fulfil those functions), and the strong/smart people develop the daily practice of identifying and temporarily letting go of their biggest convictions in order to gain perspective, and create a healthy relationship with themselves to fulfil those basic psychological needs. If you can explain this paragraph to even 1 woman, you have done a huge service to humanity.

Estrogen.

Or because they are women.

1.) Simps 2.) Simps

Welcome to the sad reality of this truth Men are baffled by this. But this is where the creature is her strongest. I’ve had women take ownership for someone they’ve done.

But guess what? It was a “retrieve to comeback”. She would say “I’m sorry, I did this, BUUUUUT YOU….(and then the blaming starts, talking everything that I have done wrong up to that point.)

Junior, you can’t fix this. You must become a devout learner of female nature. Then adjust your behavior to it. For example, I no longer ask a woman a question that requires a truthful answer. SHE WILL NOT ANSWER TRUTHFULLY. SHE WILL DEFLECT! I only ask a woman trivial questions, such as, what’s the weather today, What time does Walmart close today, Is there enough water in the house, where’s the broom, etc? You get the point.

But I will not ask “Who closed the room blinds?” (The cords you pull on broke). She will NOT know who closed it, although it’s only the two of us in the bedroom. She will say “maybe the kids came in the room and did it. Kids say they didn’t do it. I know kids wouldn’t have any interest in closing our blinds. She closed it because she thinks people outside can see her naked. But because it’s broken, it wasn’t her.

She clogged the toilet. She came and asked me if the toilet was clogged last night. No, it wasn’t. You found it clean. So, it wasn’t clogged. You just clogged it. All you have to do is call me and ask me to unclog fit without trying to put it on someone else.

Smh.., good luck Junior!

Can someone who isn’t the peanut gallery explain why they do this?

By avoiding responsibility they avoid consequences.

While to you and me this avoidance is fundamental and clear as day, and her AVOIDING is a personality problem....... most men are fooled. Most women are fooled. Most women fool themselves. And the result is as intended: high social status and perception of innocence, in other words: getting away with it.

It's instinctive. While men will own up when they are wrong, women never will. And if she is caught red handed, some man somewhere MADE her do it.

In-group preference. It’s the same reason black social justice activists ignore racism against Asians in the black community, black-on-Asian hate crimes, and contextual factors in police killings. It’s why white supremacists excuse, justify, or deny white-on-non-white violence, or they blame it on Jews. It’s why the descendants of Holoca*st survivors can so readily persecute Arabs. It’s why women who are putatively in favor of gender equality usually don’t care about gender sentencing disparities (which favor women), gender preferences in academic admissions and hiring in fields where they’re already the majority (because it favors women), etc., etc.

It’s not because they’re women. It’s because people rarely oppose inequities that favor their in-groups and, by extension, them. It’s why people favor policies that benefit their in-groups like sex and racial preferences, even when it means lowering the bar or standards for easier access.

And it’s why people will pursue policies or precedents that benefit themselves at the expense of others. The reason why men are more troubled by unsubstantiated allegations is because they disproportionately negatively affect guys. The reason women a or them is because it disproportionately favors women. A lot of the guys being accused are in fact guilty of what they’re being accused of, and since these allegations are going predominantly in one direction (allegations against men being taken more seriously than those against women), women are less concerned about collateral damage and innocent lives being destroyed because they themselves are not at risk. This reckoning was a long time coming, is overwhelmingly a good thing, and is not liable to affect my personal interests in a bad way.

Because they mostly don't follow rational thoughts and logical planning. When she feels like doing something, she just does it. Deep inside she probably knows that what she did, even if it means negative consequences for other people, was inherently wrong. She can't live with the thought of possibly wronging people. That's why she shifts the responsibility to her past emotional states. It wasn't her. It was her, but in a different mood/emotional state. She did it for "love", or to be "strong".

Not all women operate that way. Some are less fickle and more rational. Especially women in high positions. You can actually talk and plan things through with these types of women, without all the push and pull games. But they're even rarer than high SMV men are.

Because they can, a lot of women don't grow up beyond 14-16 and that's partly due to the fact they don't get held responsible or get a pass on things they do wrong (as one would say, life on easy mode). As a result they grow up believing that people will give them zero consequences to their actions if they vaguely deflect the responsibility of it.

It's not the lack of accountability or simps. It's because they're mentally wired to be that way. They're inherently and innately solipsistic and narcissistic beings. They will never accept something unless they feel like it, and chances are they will never feel it. They're simply neither moral nor logic equivalents. They're selfish, disrespectful, and crazy.

For women, social standing and reputation are the most important things in life, because those are the main factors that decide how much attention and what kind of attention she is going to get. More attention and most importantly more good attention is a higher chance of survival. Basically, a woman who thinks she can get away with anything — a woman without a sense of accountability — is almost an equal to Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer. They need a sense of accountability to act right. First reason why they're solipsistic and narcissistic is this, because this provides them a plausibly deniable way of keeping up their reputation in society even when they fuck things up altogether. She can just file a false rape claim and send you to jail, and society will side with her.

Second reason why they're actually so hellbent on deflecting responsibility is that this phenomena actually turns them into objects of management. This helps them out in weeding out men who can actually manage them, showing that you're a capable person suited for leadership and family management. If you can manage her, you can manage anything. That's something only a confident person who is invested in her can do. So all in all, it's just a mechanism.

Women are unable to accept their mistakes, unless if you force them to do so, they never will, and even then, they won't genuinely think what they've done was wrong and apologize to you in a genuine way. It won't be real.

If you don't punish her disrespectful behaviour, she will never think it was disrespectful and keep doing it in the future. Best way to punish is making her feel bad about it. Not by agitating yourself and playing for her sympathy, but rather directly punishing her by the definition of the word. You should have authority over her.

You should shift her concept of morality gradually from being about "bad/good" to "what makes her feel bad/what makes her feel good" to "what I dislike/what I like".

Psychological egoism and over validation

Ended things with my last ex because she kept threatening to fuck other people. I would calmly call her out on it and she said it helped her feel in control of the relationship (emotional manipulation). Funny thing was she calls me a psychopath

Evolutionarily, their weaker physical ability vs. males who want things from them, the biology of pregnancy, the war bride phenomenon, etc, have all been examples of external loci of control that females had to face in their existences. They evolved cognitive processes that helped them manage this. Today, many of those concerns are gone or at least substantially muted vs. their impact over anthropological time, but females' mental processes that externalize culpability are still there.

Lack of accountability

Who’s holding them accountable? Not other women. Not men.

SIMPS are what got us here. For every SIMP, there’s 10 women he’s not holding accountable.

Evolution bro.It comes from our caveman days.

For most of human history life wasnt as easy as it is now. If a woman was cast out of her tribe to live alone, the likelihood is she would die fairly quickly as they are not good at protecting or providing for themselves.

So to protect against this, whenever anything bad happened women learnt to always blame someone else as this was the course of action likely best for their survival, and so women who were better able to lie and deflect blame were the ones who survived and reproduced most.

That's why women are INCAPABLE of admitting they are wrong or accepting responsibility for their actions.

Don't hate them for it, just dont get emotionally invested in them bc u have to always remember evolution has made womens nature inherently selfish.

Ego and lack of accountability, she’s living on recruit difficulty thanks to cuck society.

Rollo Tomassi has talked about female solipsism, and this is the factor at play here. To quote Rollo, himself quoting u/STARVE_THE_BEAST on TRP:

[...] The difference is that women don’t place as much value on Truth as they do upon self-preservation, and therefore their reasoning processes do not abort when self-contradiction is reached. They’ll just rationalize their way out of that too, if exposed [...]

Everything a woman does is for her own self-preservation, even if that means bending the truth, outward lying, not taking responsibility, manipulating people, and even re-writing the entire story in her mind and gaslighting you.

They duck and dodge the harmful implications of their poor decisions and toxic actions like Floyd Mayweather avoiding punches

Yup. That comes from women who are very bad at planning ahead and delaying gratification. You could lay it on the table that: "rationally you are making a terrible choice", and they will still make it, and regret it later... But somehow it will be your fault. There is not a single ounce of agency in these cases, because everything is done for the present moment, based on feelings, and/or for their self-preservation. If it doesn't benefit her right here, right now, it's not a good option for her. Then, when it finally clicks that "that was a poor decision", all of the solipsism and rationalization come into play, and the story is bent and twisted in a scenario where she's a victim, and everyone else is at fault but her. Then possibly the toxic behavior to get back at you.

Had a girl like this, she was in a relationship with a chump, flirted with me but it wasn't convenient for her to be with me right there and then (logistics + in a co-dependent relationship because of extremely stupid past decisions), I confronted her, pushed her to make a choice because I did not have anymore time to waste, and somehow wanted to be upfront rather than have her fantasize an imaginary future with me, she gaslighted me and kept flirting 10 times harder. I moved on... And a few months later, she realized she had missed her best opportunity (she's pushing 30 and actually seeing it in the mirror), and then all of the toxic behavior and rationalization started emerging. The realization that she was literally stuck with a pushover she had 0 respect for anymore, and that the ship had sailed. But none of this is her fault.

I could go on with other examples, but you get the gist: follows the path that leads to the highest immediate reward (emotional, mental stimulation), while prioritizing self preservation (safety, provision, maximal extraction of resources she can get), and when she realizes the long term consequences of these choices, backwards rationalizes, shifts blame, justifies poor choices, possibly resorts to toxic behaviour as revenge. Revenge for what? Her own bad decisions. It makes 0 sense to a rational mind, but when you piece the process together, it actually makes perfect sense. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

That's why the pattern: woman in a relationship with a BB, cheats with the high value guy, throws the HV guy under the bus when word comes out, is so common at every level in society. She can't risk losing the safety the beta offers, but she can't pass up the opportunity of the alpha. And you get the final result of seemingly insane behavior that is purely a strategy of extracting as much value as possible while maximizing safety, that is optimized by taking anything a bit too annoying out of the equation, such as morality, honor and truth. This shit is for men to deal with. Add in a large majority of blue pill guys reinforcing and validating these behaviors to be seen as "good boys", and you get to the current state of affairs.

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You're right to use Floyd as an example because no other defensive fighter is as dirty or dishonorable to his sport than him, we can talk about the other great defensive like J Toney, or Holyfield they're way better than Floyd and actually took challenges on their prime, past their prime. The former started to duck and cherry pick, rig pre fights and now just scams idiots to make more $ to serve his disgusting purpose and if you want the nail the coffin, he only fought in Vegas. So it's probably deeper than that, some people have the abnormality to go beyond just duck and dodge. They also have the same thing, so glad you mention don't want to admit being wrong

Why are men so helbent on deflecting weakness?

It's a survival instinct. Their say is tied up in moral high-ground socially, ours is in ability.

Childishness.

men do this to, and not all woman do this. pick your friends, and woman better.