On the motivation that we shouldn't associate trust to checking phones and that we should learn to trust words more. I actually felt it as an valid excuse probably because I've also hidden some incriminating bullshit on my phone as well. Unknown to her, though, I can still check her shit through numeric password.
Is this a one-way ticket to CuckLand or should I chill?
As a context: well vetted girl; good family; 99% of times I feel I can trust her; we've pissed each other almost to the point of breakup in the last few days (and I even got back all the shits I gave her. She got really mad); I'm superior to her and her peers in almost all aspects (so hypergamy should be in check).
TRP has taught me to check actions - not words - and this is clearly a behavioral change (since we've had reciprocal access for the last 4 months). I personally didn't GAF at the time but I feel like I need some more experienced insight on this.

ChadsLeftNut 7y ago
Dont kid yourself, even if you are Chad she can cheat on you with Vlad
iskandph 7y ago
that's true, there's always someone swole with a bigger dick
MagickalOne 7y ago
It's not just about that. If you are better then her then she might seek validation from other guys even if they are lower than herself to boost her own ego. Happens all the time. Especially if she says shit like "you're too good for me"
Eulerbrah 7y ago
lol'd hard @ superior to her
iskandph 7y ago
well, you either believe in a random internet stranger or not
the fact is that I've been lifting for almost 2 years now (while she is a sedentary fat slob), I'm considerably smarter and my future is brighter
but she can score sex with other guys far easier. it's not a competition
unfortunately, it is what it is
Rares5555 7y ago
Why would you fucking be with a sedentary fat slob then?
BusterVadge 7y ago
You're an idiot for LTRing a fattie.
dudeyouhaveoneitis 7y ago
You sound like you're not even into her. Respect yourself and go get a better girl
ppanthero 7y ago
Why do you even have a ltr with that girl? The way you are talking about her shows that you see no value in her (or you are kidding yourself in playing cool here). And if i am wrong and you do value her, why talk about her in this way?
[deleted] 7y ago
what makes u lol?
[deleted] 7y ago
Just the fact that until the difference in SMV is abnormally large, a girl can score with at least 10 times the guys as the guy can with girls. Sex for girls is way too easy.
iskandph 7y ago
which isn't a measure of value
JamesP2018 7y ago
It is to her.
ppanthero 7y ago
To you. To her it is. She is constantly comparing you to her other possibilities.
Bedtimeshine 7y ago
You meet her actions with your actions... dont even bring it up. She does something that doesnt match up with committing to you the. you remove your commitment. I would just let this be casual.
MrRoxo 7y ago
Jesus Christ you guys really check your GF's phones? If someone's going to cheat, they will cheat. It's not your fault and you should not give a fuck. The one who cheats it's the scum, fuck it.
Move on instead of being insecure, there are a a lot more women that men in this world and fuck if you should be like this because of one
Dark_Lord_A 7y ago
Doesn't it make sense to actually know what's going on? To know when she starts cheating as opposed to when she decides to tell you?
MrRoxo 7y ago
In my opinion, when you know you know and move on. I believe people should stop seeing cheating as their own fault when it's not. It's your partner's fault. She wanted to cheat? She did. You had no control AT ALL and you never did and never would have. So why fret?
Women give out too many cheating signs to even bother go check their phone. I guess you could check the phone as a final confirmation tho
[deleted] 7y ago
First trp lesson I learned in life before even finding this sub. If she's going to be disloyal, she will be no matter what you do or check for. If shes going to be loyal, your only fucking your own frame up.
My policy is if I get a gut feeling a woman is fucking around, or even get suspicious, its over. No talking or arguing. Better off going to the next one or even being alone than dealing with that can of worms.
iskandph 7y ago
to no one's surprise my gut is screaming right now
Morphs_ 7y ago
Why not check her phone with the numeric password then?
Big_Red_suppository 7y ago
You cant unring the bell of being so insecure you have to check a chick's phone. Now literally every dude has that over you when she's "out with the girls".
iskandph 7y ago
I don't know if this will change your opinion, but she obsessively checked my phone as well. Even discovered some old chats with escorts lmao
I actually read on TRP about some guys with an "open phone policy" and I really liked that.
I'll probably just check for shit once a month since I know her numeric password
Andorli 7y ago
You have much learning to do.
iskandph 7y ago
we all have
[deleted] 7y ago
There's a really good post in the SIDEBAR that you should read over. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/456o0h/mateguarding_dont_do_it/
trpdgc 7y ago
Does she have access to yours?
iskandph 7y ago
yea
trpdgc 7y ago
Delete it immediately.
iskandph 7y ago
I'll probably take that shit out though
Bedtimeshine 7y ago
No... don’t go tit for tat. Have the balls to accept what you already know this means and do you and treat her as a fwb. Simple as that. No need to hide anything.
friendandadvisor 7y ago
If this means that you will stop her access, do it.
trpdgc 7y ago
Take it out and make sure she knows it. “Trust goes both ways” is your line. Hold frame. It sounds to me like you’re on the verge of a breakup. Keep checking her phone and if she starts talking to anyone dump her on the spot and don’t bother with the confrontation.
iskandph 7y ago
We actually were and her emotional disarray can be reason for any bullshit to happen. "Because she was mad and it was not her fault". I've personally not lived through this yet but I read this a lot of times in TRP and askTRP. Some trust was probably lost because of this movement and I feel like in the next couple of months there may be something major for me to keep my eyes on
trpdgc 7y ago
She is planning on doing things that she needs to hide from you. In fact, she is probably already doing them. To allow yourself to be in that position is weak and emasculating. You cannot force someone to love or respect you, I strongly suggest you change your passcode and take out her fingerprint, get back in shape if you need to, get nice clothes and a haircut, reconnect with your male friends, and live a separate life.
tjwplans 7y ago
I may be wrong but it looks to me you're about to breakup. Same exact situation happened to me before a breakup.
iskandph 7y ago
We were really about to breakup
tjwplans 7y ago
What's the situation now?
iskandph 7y ago
well, things seem fine after we talked a little and I recognized I went a little overboard when being a prick in our previous fight
we both lost access to each other's phone but I still can check all her shit regularly. there doesn't seem to be any bullshit going on right now
AWALT, still. I shall keep my eyes open
helaughsinhidden 7y ago
You know what it meant, it means she either is or is going to keep secrets. Could be a man, could be venting to gf or fam about you. Either way, your stock is plummeting.
Fix yourself either way. Own your shit. What are you doing to make yourself lower value? Are you failing shit tests? Are you entering her frame? Are you doing what she wants or what you want? This is a shit test btw, did you get upset or disregard it as like it was nothing?
React or don't, but stay in frame. I would probably disregard it and go lift, golf, or play poker. If you GOTTA KNOW, flat out ask her in an extremely matter of fact tone if she wants to part ways. Your mood should be indifferent though or else you enter her frame and she will realize she can manipulate your feelings.
iskandph 7y ago
this is what she told me - there are family/gf things she'd like to keep from me.
I don't really know. I really felt like I was handling this relationship right from the beginning (especially because I'm on TRP for almost 2 years). Could this be the natural course of the relationship?
Well, I did it and she cried her eyes out saying she wants us to be together
abudun79 7y ago
Well, that's up to her. Hypergamy doesn't care if you find yourself superior.
On your actual topic: I'd treat it as a warning sign. Be prepared for something to happen, just don't act as if it already did happen.
iskandph 7y ago
Gotta open my eyes then
[deleted] 7y ago
She met someone new or re-established contact with one of her back-ups in her friendzone because she's afraid you'll break up with her. In the latter case, it doesn't matter if the guy has lower SMV than you. She's doing this instinctively. Women generally have a harder time staying single than men and very often keep back ups.
iskandph 7y ago
Should I even bother checking?
[deleted] 7y ago
When a woman keeps back-ups and reactivates them after a fight with her bf, it means that she considers her bf dispensable or at least replaceable. My opinion is that you shouldn't expect much from this LTR.
iskandph 7y ago
exactly what I've been thinking. this sucks though
Zebleblic 7y ago
You actually check her phone? Why are you so insecure?
iskandph 7y ago
still plugged in some ways I believe
wobbleelbbow 7y ago
Well if you can still check her phone, you have an upper hand. If she fucks up or you have a hunch you just check it and you will know. It is even better because now she thinks she can hide it.
iskandph 7y ago
I don't know, dude. I don't want to delay the inevitable, if it's over it's over
wobbleelbbow 7y ago
I would neither, that's why you have to make sure to confirm it first. Check for "sexy texts" aka not her just talking but sending nudes to other guys, anything sexually loaded (from her side I mean). Only this way you won't fuck up and prove your gut instinct.
I know her hiding phone is a red flag but also it can be legit attempt to hide something that she does embarrassing but not sexual at all.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 7y ago
Trust your gut feeling. Check her phone in the middle of the night if you wish, just don't be surprised or angry by what you might find.
iskandph 7y ago
My gut is saying there's about 30% chance there's another dude
Irishminer93 7y ago
Take away affection, see how she responds. Should give you enough information to tell you what to do. Different responses will mean different things and to be honest, it'd be impossible to tell you exactly what each response means without knowing everything there is to know about her so your going to have to rely on your own experiences with her.
iskandph 7y ago
we are both very cold to each other right now
Irishminer93 7y ago
To be honest I’d personally already be preparing to get out of the relationship. Doesn’t sound like either of you are happy and if your not happy what’s the point?
iskandph 7y ago
well, things were wonderful until we really began pissing each other off a few days ago
Irishminer93 7y ago
Why are you pissing each other off? And to what extent? Also, why do you put up with it. I’m in an ltr and in 5 years I’ve never let that fly.
iskandph 7y ago
in this specific week I've had some problems to deal with and couldn't bother seeing her. Well, she wanted to watch the World Cup with me and I ended up being a little more of a cunt than usual and BOOM
there's our situation
Irishminer93 7y ago
That’s not any real information. But regardless, the result will probably be the same. Tell her exactly what you expect out of the relationship, tell her what your boundaries are and tell her sometimes you have important things to do. Have a discussion and decide for yourself whether the relationship is worth it or not.
iskandph 7y ago
yeah
ty for your input and time. I do mean it
Us3rn4m321 7y ago
This sounds so stressful. Why would you want this to continue? There is an abundance of beautiful women that want to fuck. Why would you put yourself through this shit just for one of them? Your fear of losing this chick is fucking you up big time dude...you're not in your frame at all
iskandph 7y ago
I agree
I began this relationship in a right way and slowly descended into this beta shit
Us3rn4m321 7y ago
Time for damage control then. Don't forget to hit your head on The Sidebar on your way out
iskandph 7y ago
I'll probably bang one or two hoes before taking any real decision actually.
Scarcity is real when you enter an exclusive LTR
Us3rn4m321 7y ago
Banging multiple hoes while in an exclusive LTR? Whatever works bud...good luck
RedSkeller 7y ago
In these moments, there are no accidents, only coincidences.
Rares5555 7y ago
First thing my girl did when I got with her was tell me her password and put my fingerprint in her phone. Never has a problem with me using her phone and told me if I ever want to I can check away whatever I want.
However yours is doing one of two things
She is planning on fucking someone else and doesn’t want you to know.
Your woman should be 100% transparent. She’s not. Big red flag.
friendandadvisor 7y ago
You earthlings are so amusing...