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I'm a 30 year old stripper and my N count is probably fairly low compared to most people my age. (I have only slept with one man before my current bf now) If you're seeking someone with a low number count, I highly recommend someone that values monogamy and is introverted. I find it's probably introversion that occurs most strongly with low number counts vs all otbwe factors. Also seek someone who doesn't really need outsider approval

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Understand statistical sampling. The new chicks you are hitting left and right off Tinder with little effort is likely to skew your sample towards chicks that get hit left and right off Tinder. Just sayin.

I think you gotta find them young. N-counts grow every year, so for every year above 18 she is, expect at least one more notch. At least.

My current LTR is a HB8 with n-count 4, three who were not me. She was 19 when we met though. At the time, her two best friends had n-counts of 1 each, HB7s... they're 21 now, and they both have n-counts of 4. Both girls are very relationship oriented and only dabble in "night life." They're solid catches--and still, they're at n = 4. I really don't know any HB6+ who have an N below 4 that are 20 or older. I talk about this a lot with girls, so this isn't a tiny sample size, either. I do know one chick who might be at N = 1 because she's a HB9 who's dated a current college football player since she was 15, but I don't know that for certain and honestly even if she was N = 1 it doesn't matter to anyone here because nobody here is dating that chick. Would not be surprised if her next BF was a pro athlete. She's too hot for her college football player BF--seriously.

So, yeah, don't expect a girl over 20 to be under N = 4. Not just saying that because it's what my LTR is at, also saying that because it's the floor that I've noticed in my age group.

edit: also want to edit in that I agree with the poster who said don't meet them on tinder or at clubs. My LTR I met in class--she did go out at that point (what college freshmen don't?), but she never talked to guys when she went out unless she knew them already. Also, neither her nor any of her low N-count friends have ever used tinder. The low-N girls just don't.

What you complain about is exactly the same as what every BP guy out there suffers from: You cannot handle women, happily play in their game and you desperately wish they were something they're not.

Reminds me of:

Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be HIS slut. - Rollo Tomassi

The shame is: You, as a self-proclaimed RP-man, know much more about the nature and the way of women, than any BP-man. At least you have a worthy goal in mind. Yet, you complain. Doesn't feel like a big improvement, does it? Why? Because you're not yet half way through your journey, and lost sight, deep in the valley. Read sidebar material again, and focus on the resources that deal with achieving what you desire. You understood the mechanics, now find out how you can make them work in your favor.

And then climb that hill in front of you and on top of it, you'll see where the rest of your journey needs to go through. And you'll enjoy it.

Man up you fucking faggot, women aren't sluts, learn to appreciate sluts for what they are.

Who cares what girls fuck who? You're a man wanting to fuck a bitch and you're on a dating sub, get fucking real, get angry and accept that girls and men will do this.

Would definitely go to say I wouldn't recommend "looking" for a LTR.

Your life shouldn't be qualified by women or the amount of women in your life. You should build a beautiful life and let women along for the ride if they meet your standards.

Yes AWALT but it's up to you to be the reason for her not to branch swing. If she cheats that's a reflection of yourself but not necessarily a bar with which to measure yourself. It's a way to reflect on your actions and how you are perceived but shouldn't be a measurement of value imo.

I'm still internalizing TRP but Unicorns are a myth. Snow leopards exist. You shouldn't be hunting for a snow leopard. Most of them are locked up in someone else's zoo or hiding from the scary hunter. The best hunter sit and waits till he gets the perfect shot. Do you, not expecting the mother of your children, just living life. Recognize the snow leopard when she arrives. Till then enjoy the fact that she's a slut so you can try out things and test new boundaries.

You're also a bit older than me so we may have differing perspectives on life and what we're looking for, but that's my take on TRP thus far in my journey.

Hey OP I feel your pain. I'm 30 and actually in the same boat as you right now. I have nothing to add to help you asides from what the other guys already said. You don't meet the future mother of your children in a bar, club or tinder.

But I have a sweet little story to share that drove the red pill deeper down my throat as it already were.

I've met this 22 year old acrobat chick (perfect body) on a company event, so no, no Tinder. After the 3rd date (2nd fuck date) I got her to open up about her past. This girl had 1 bf for 1 1/2 years, was single for a few months, had two more dicks and then had another 3 year relationship that ended end of last year.

Alright, 22 years old, 4 dicks in, I could deal with that in the long term. Oh boy.... The CC awaits..

Starting this year she decided to go on a Tinder rampage and fucks \~20(!) dicks within 2 months. She even has a sex logbook. I'm number 26 btw. Funny thing is she met number 25 on the same event she met me but he pulled it off on the first date (I'm such an amateur, heh). She fucked one more guy after me (of that I know).

Believe me, you cannot imagine how dumbfounded I was lying there in her bed as she told me her sweet little story. Sure I was playing it cool but puking internally, thinking, uuum.. I just licked that..

Welcome to clown world.

7 is a lot.

Red pilled doesnt mean shit. If you only hoard the red pill material and doesnt live your life and make mistakes you will never get out of this self pitty.

You pusuit sluts and then complain that you find them?

This is the new norm. Strong, independent women. An entire generation of modern women doomed to become cat ladies in their 30s, chugging wine on the weekends alone watching Netflix. Avoid them at all costs.

TRP is just a hard pill to swallow. TRP has always applied but modern day women have so much access to be sluts and get props for it also. Social Meda put all women on a pedestal and Tinder just gave them access to whatever cock they feel like using that time of night.

It’s unfortunate but the only way to get ahead is to play the game. Fuck as many bitches as you can. Get into an LTR and enjoy it for what it is. As the saying goes keep two in the kitty. Have a backup during your LTR.

Try to find a girl that has a good relationship with her dad and more on the conservative side. These types are usually better quality.

Don’t stress it to much dude just have to accept it for what it is.

Good luck on Tinder! LMAO

The issue is you have massive cognitive dissonance. You are meeting Tinder whores and you think you are so 'special' and they fuck you easily but you are not magical they fuck others as well.

Stop hooking up with Tinderellas and go after higher quality girls who don't have triple digit n-counts.

Men are sluts too. Human beings are sluts. We like having sex. It feels really really good and it's a biological imperative. You brag about sleeping with tons of women then complain when they do it too? Of course women are sexual creatures. You have been sleeping with a lot of them! Then when you want an LTR from the inevitable depression that develops from multiple one night stands you start complaining about all the women sleeping around. You aren't adding anything and you aren't even really asking a question. You just wanted to vent about how human beings, including you, like having sex. I guarantee you, the minority of women have been double teamed in a club bathroom. Also, stop trying to pick up women at clubs and on Tinder, a hook up app.

Find a girl who makes you happy so you can achieve your map. Fuck wasting energy with ncounts. I could ltr a pornstar and still have rock solid frame.

You've slept around your whole life and now you decided to try out out an LTR for once.

Then you're saying how much women are sluts. See the error in your ways here?

Maybe this disgust I feel is wrong and I should just accept that women are sexual creatures too?

This is a must regardless of your goals with women. Why? Because it is a fact, and men must accept facts instead of living in fantasy.

Maybe just because she’s promiscuous doesn’t disqualify her as LTR material?

Promiscuous is cultural idea. If you accept that sex only needs sexual attraction to happen, you will be fine with the fact that she has fucked a lot of people before. When I was 18 or something I always went for virgins or potential virgins and I thought those were the best women to have in a LTR. These days I just don't care. You don't have to follow the same path as me, but understand that is it you who decide what is okay for a LTR, or what even an LTR means. For example a LTR for me today is just a long term plate, when I was 18 it would be a monogamous bf/gf thing with the intent to marry.

But I don’t know man, it’s kind of hard to accept that the future mother of my kids got double-teamed in a club bathroom or some shit (seen this happen).

You can definitely find women who don't have much sexual experience. Hell, I bet you could find a 30 year old virgin if you looked in the right places. But as I said in the beginning, women are sexual creatures, and having less or more sexual experience is a matter of opportunity, of culture, etc. Every girl has the potential to be a slut, and you shouldn't fool yourself into thinking that your 30 year old virgin is going to be more loyal to you than the slut with 7 simultaneous dicks in her mouth. As you said yourself, AWALT. If you are chosing to marry and have children despite AWALT, you need to find some strategy to accept that fact and to be able to keep a family at the same time. I don't want the same thing as you so I don't know what strategy that would be.

It's so frustrating. They're all absolute whores. I thought I found an exception... a cute girl who went to church weekly and loved kids. When we were fooling around she told me that she had only been with 4 guys (at age 26) and that was by far the lowest I've ever heard. But as the weeks went on, things didn't add up and she came clean to 27 guys (and 3 girls), MMF threesomes, sex tapes, public sex, one night stands, STDs, cheating, and literally cucking her ex-boyfriend until he cried. I just can't believe the state of women these days...

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you can't control what the girls do...like it or not. stop bitching. if you don't like sluts then stay away from them.

The only way you're going to find a RP woman is if you seek a hardcore religious girl in a church somewhere. I'm by no means religious, but I go to church for moral teachings and RP women. A friend of mine is 30 and just got with an 18 year old virgin, it's all the talk in that little community but they're both happy and that's all that matters.

Most of these tinder "sluts" don't have any validation coming from other forms. Dick and communication from men is all they have for validation. You can't blame them for it. It is one way of living life just like you are banging sluts.

Lot of guys here are stupid saying, don't go meet chicks in tinder. That's not where you find LTR material etc. That might be true but you can also meet someone on the street or at your hobby place who use tinder. This is similar to guys saying don't LTR a chick that sleeps with you on a first date. Maybe she slept with you on the first date and that was her first time, or maybe she made you wait but got railed by some dude in the bathroom within 15 mins.

So now that that has been cleared, follow this advice. Look for women that you are attracted to but share very similar values/qualities as you, and also are getting validation in life from doing things that improve them internally.

Values : Examples - I like partying and getting wasted vs I like socially drinking. I think friends with exes is okay vs cut off ties with exes. Being together a lot vs having independence. Pda vs no pda. I can keep going on. But I'm just bringing up very common things that matter. There is no right or wrong here. It is just values that you and her accept and prefer. When you look for these things its important that you don't communicate to her that you need this. You need to look for it passively and in some cases communicate if some boundary is crossed explaining that it is not acceptable if you like her otherwise.

Validation : Examples :- music creation, arts, dancing, sports, writing, reading, blogging, photography. Gym and doing any of these stuff casually doesn't count. You can clearly say when someone is genuinely passionate about something.

Plate material will probably lack proper values or validation. They are all malleable and will generally accept/deny to do anything depending on who they are with. LTR material will almost have strong values + internal validation. But I bet if you haven't met a single LTR material girl yet, you probably are not attracted to those kind of women. You prefer the "sluts" and you want to convert them to follow your way.

im currently fucking an 18 year old that turned that age a month before we met. she has been in a gangbang, anal etc............she showed me her tinder, and by god.

In my west European country (Nordic), almost all good looking girls got and n-count on 15+ by age 22 easily. Though this country is extremely infected by feminists. It can be frustrating to find a girl under n-count 20, btw most lie about it by large amounts as well.

Why you feel like you feel is very biological, a girl is not supposed to fuck that many males by nature. It would mean like 5-15 pregnancies without contraceptions. Girls today are sluts, try to find the least sluttiest with all other characteristics you want. Its hard...

It’s the same for a woman who want to find a perfect mix of alpha beta, very rare in today’s ultra feminized society. Btw I’m a male with an n-count around 15-20 and 22 years old with a 3 year relationship behind me which I was faithful in, so I’m not surprised if a girl doubles that amount without lifting a finger Good Luck!

Don't try to have a ltr with a girl you met from tinder, try to find a "gf material" in other places, not a club too. And btw, what kind of double standard is that? Women have sex too, just like you bro!

Yep, they all have the capacity to guzzle strange sperm in a bathroom at a moments notice, regardless of their relationship status. They all have the capacity to take hundreds of strange dicks just because muh dopamine. You're absolutely right, there are a LOT of them that are just disgusting trash, absolutely awful.

They're also the only game in town, so unless you like fucking men I suggest you figure out how to live in this reality comfortably. Hate for something is just love for something mixed with longing.

I love it.

Was it that month alone she fucked 7 guys or was it the overall count? If she's on the 20 - 24 range is no surprise, and it's actually pretty low.

Realistically, it's safe to assume any 24 year old chick has an n-count over 30 (assuming she's been in an LTR for 2 or 3 years which is common).

"Whatever happens between us, just please don't disappear, I really want to be friends at the least, you're so amazing and I've never met anyone like you before"

In translation: this never happens to me, and the cool guys usually disappear to go fuck 100 other girls just like me, so please please please don't go.

If you're keeping yourself fit, have a purpose and direction in life girls will swoon. Find the one that has the most enthusiasm and does the most to demonstrate herself as an attractive and quality mate. Also make sure that she doesn't have issues with emotional honesty and vulnerability.

As far as I'm concerned if a girl is very seriously competing for your attention, and making herself vulnerable she really cares, (at least for now). Pick that girl, and let her continue demonstrating her ability to be a good partner, and reward her emotionally and sexually. Don't falter on your own responsibilities, and don't be too flexible for her because she will want to spend time with you (because you're the shit) but you need to handle your health and wealth before you can go back to share it with her otherwise it will diminish, and so will her interest, and so will her "love"

Refer to handling "the talk" sidebar post. Let her bring it up and then kinda brush it off the first time or two. Yes it will frustrate her, but if she walks away you just dodged a fucking armor piercing bullet. If after multiple attempts she's still trying, give her some of what she wants and dig deeper, clearly she's onto something more than "I want a boyfriend" because after 1-2 attempts most girls will give up considering they're 24/7 being blown up by other sexual opportunities. Repeat this until you slowly reach the level of LTR that you or she desires.

I think TRP is unrealistic with the whole NO LTR policy or attitude. And also unrealistic with the only date virgins shit. Surprise dude, she has 10000x the sexual opportunity you do just by existing. You think they're not going to tap that potential and explore?

Read my Bitch Management guide on the main sub, sidebar.

A bitch must earn your commitment. Don't just give it to her because you're hoping desperately and in vain that she'll live up to your expectations. That's not how this shit works.

It's a real shame that todays women are encouraged to be ravenous shameless whores because they're just embracing their 'sexuality' but to be fair you can't look for LTRs that aren't like that at clubs or tinder. Need to find hobbies and look for girls that are passionate about the same stuff and whatnot.

I'm late as fuck but let me just go ahead and say that nobody is particularly happy to be here. There's a few recurring themes both here (which is kind of like TRP lite) and in the main sub, which is frustration with the way things are, discomfort in adapting, and that men are the true romantics. If you disagree with this you should lurk more and you will pretty much answer all your own questions.

IMO casual sex for both sexes is something not only completely unfulfilling but damaging to anyone planning to get serious later on in life. Only a smoothbrain or an animal has sex for the sensation, it's only worth it if you've got skin in the proverbial game (and everyone does, even a little, whether they like it or not). Every time you have sex with a different partner you devalue that sex. If your sex is worthless, in the future, what will separate your wife from a regular friend, and vice versa? For pair bonding, this is why low partner counts are subconsciously preferred for anyone in control of their own actions. Arguably your body count doesn't matter to her (or is even attractive) because of her biological programming, but I digress.

At that, I would say that it would be beneficial to your spiritual and emotional health to stop the Tinder sexcapades soon.

To answer your question, when meeting anyone new, especially on a HOOKUP app, you should assume she is the biggest slut you've ever seen. Personally, 5 partners is high for me, hell, really anything over two is getting into wacked out slut territory. But I fully acknowledge that this an unrealistic expectation. Women have a way of justifying things such that there are no absolutes and everything is weighted by emotion. An easy example of this is women fucking guys abroad but not adding them to their body count. You need to keep this in mind when talking with women, since they will lie to your face about their history, etc. if it means they get what they want (sex, commitment, money).

All of this considered, you are best off going for women with very low partner counts. Do not settle. Settling is setting yourself up for failure since you know in your heart you will never be satisfied. If she is a slut, she is not LTR or Marriage material, period. There are plenty of statistics to support this. On a base level, it means a poor impulse control, which is always an unattractive quality. I suggest doing some research on divorce rates and infidelity.

As others have said, your best bet to find marriage material is wholesome activities or church. You are 31, so it is safe to say (unfortunately) that any women your age that are still single have something wrong with them. Keep going for younger women and use that age and your financial base to gain their attention. >!The west is going down the shitter fast. You sound like you're from the U.S. or another English speaking country. If you are, AWALT every single time, and limit your risk as much as possible. I'm not telling you to give up. There are few things worth fighting for anymore, though a family is one of them. But it's going to be hard to do what you're asking, marriage, commitment, loyalty, and especially raising kids in this hell. Good Luck.!<

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Tinder is a hookup site. Of course they are sluts. Find new hunting grounds.

What's your Tinder game/profile like? 1 every couple weeks seems pretty good

Wait... so you're fucking up a storm on tinder and you're upset girls are doing the same thing? Really?

Aim for girls that have had long LTRs with few gaps

You probably need to go to church to find girls that don't gargle hogs all day, but even then you can't be sure

I am living in a third world country and the trouble is reverse. Sex without commitment is rare. Sometimes I wonder how people can be that much degenerate when I hear someting like this but i can’t say I am very happy about my city also.

you're a slut as well, calm your tits

Go to a Catholic village in Mexico and bring back a wife that cleans and makes you chalupas. Or alternatively you could make an offering of goats and grain to a girl's father in Iran.

Location, location, location.

Some of the ECs here already pointed out the obvious: don't participate in hookup outlets, as someone who is actively hooking up with others who are actively hooking up, and not expect to find complete sluts.

The truth is, in my experience, coming off as a player makes you great stud material but conversely makes you a poor provider, generally speaking.

Girls who are looking for something serious wouldn't be on hookup sites. Girls who list "looking for a serious relationship" are simply throwing up their ASD in case their families and friends find their profile.

Actions, not words.

And that goes both ways.

You essentially self select yourself out of the LTR pool by engaging in STR patterns of behavior. The women who have any real value as future mothers will avoid you. They're the "exceptions" you're trying to snag- the women at the edges of the bell curve.

TLDR: Be more beta and you'll pick up a relationship- just don't expect them to put out in the first night and have them be worth anything.

7 dicks? Definitely not LTR

i think this doesn't belong here

This got me thinking, is it possible that the issue is with me and my expectations?

No, but you should treat your expectations as such.

Humans are no longer in our evolved environment. We don't worry about immediate or seasonal survival (which was an issue just 200 years ago and for millions of years before that). Women no longer have to worry about getting pregnant by random dick and booted/exiled from her family/tribe so they can act with abandon. Doubly so since so many white knights will fall on their swords for them. Etc. We've been inching this way since the rise of civilization gave humanity some measure of a safety net but the discovery and harnessing of petroleum as our worker has speeded things up a thousand-fold than normal, outstripping the capacity of our inherited instincts to change and adapt.

So your instincts, which ultimately are only internal guides to increased chances of spreading your DNA around, are spot on, but for an environment that just isn't there anymore. It might come back, it might be permanently gone, no one can predict the future with certainty. Now you know the source of your discontent and how you live life is up to you. Many here just enjoy the decline but if that's not for you, find something else to do.

It is the girls you are selecting.....and to which you are attracted.

I feel like you my friend. I think we should have been born in 1910. We'd be happily married and have kids.

I'm 35 and when I was 31 I met a girl who was 25 and n-count = 0 so I never left her even when I wanted hard. Because I can't get emotionally involved with girls who bang guys in casual sex. So I stay with her in fear that 1. she'll slut it out if we breakup and 2. I never get emotionally involved with another girl because sluts they all are.

they changed the rules to the game... but are still expecting the same outcome (marriage, family, etc).

if you want to roll over and play 'family man' to a used up slag, that's your choice.