Title.
I am great in the less than 2-months window. Before any serious talks, before attachments are really made. Spinning plates, ONS, same day lay from clubs, etc.
After that I seem practically defenseless against the progressive increase of access, intimacy, and the following effect of caring more and more and investing more and more (all while trying to use RP tools to make sure she is 'for real'.
I find that my dick stops wanting other females. I get stuck on her. I proceed to go from detached, DGAF alpha that treats her like a plaything to an attached, serious, almost Father-Daughter type shit where I try to "lead her" to being the right girl to fit my ideal relationship.
And then whenever I bother to check under the hood they are all lying sluts and I was foolish for ever trying to build anything with them.
I bet the answer is "stop taking them seriously". No sleepovers. No heart to hearts. Stop talking about serious shit.
Stop doing any "leadership" for the sake of building the relationship, that's too beta, obviously you are a cuck who wants a unicorn.
But assuming I want a relationship, whether exclusive or not, or simply appearing exclusive:
How does a man that avoids/stays aloof actually get a woman into a relationship??

vandaalen 7y ago
Plate spinning
AwakenedSovereign 7y ago
Long duration Soft Harem = True nature of women
That's been burning in my ears for a while. Every time I get one going I end up "opting out" with the best plate and repeating the cycle...
Thanks
Narcissist456 7y ago
I feel you. It sucks. Women cry and beg for intimacy and commitment then as soon as you give it to them, they remind you why you were withholding in the first place.
Aesthetic_God__ 7y ago
This. This.
Elitevaz 7y ago
I struggled with this somewhat and it took a bit of observation before I could internalize it. The key principle that helped me though, was when I saw someone post that you get a turn with the woman, not ownership. This ties into your progressive caring and investment. If you know from the start that you don't have something permanent, why invest in it? I mean you can invest in it, but not anything risky. When I say observation helped, just look at what they are doing. it's not that every woman is the same, the girl you want may be out there, but she is not common. I know that you know this to be true, because you mentioned so many lying sluts you encountered. That is the average girl. The commoner. Just like there are a lot of shitty men out there, there are a lot of lying sluts too. I watched a buddy of mine mess with women that are already in relationships. I talked to them, face to face. Then, later could hear them moaning from behind the closed door, not with their so, but with my friend. Not one time, multiple times. These women got what they wanted, what we always hear they want; commitment. Yet, here they are getting pleasure from someone that is not their husband/boyfriend. Watch what they do, not what they say. That's how I learned to stop taking girls seriously. Really, it's at the heart of TRP as well.
We have so many principles connected to this one and it's important because anyone changing from bp to rp has been making decisions based on what women are telling them, only to be frustrated out of their mind to later find out something completely different was done. Really pay attention to previous interactions with various women. Test them now. Have them make a decision and see if they are happy when they followed through with it. The infamous "What do you want to eat?" is a great example. Any man asking a woman this question is setting himself up to be annoyed. You are the man, you decide what to eat if she doesn't bug you for something specific. Most of the time they are like big kids. They need a leader and that's what all this bullshit shit test is for. You know what is right, you make the logical decisions when choosing risks, women don't want these burdens. Even in the toxicity that is modern feminism, all you can hear is them looking for more benefits, ignoring the burdens. How many do you see looking to build shit themselves? Take on domestic male roles, even as simple as taking out the trash? Making difficult risky decisions? Killing bugs? Nah most are really looking to gain perceived male benefits while continuing to receive female benefits and protections. I can go on about this for a while, but hopefully something I've said in here gives you a good insight on why women should not be taking seriously.
_the_shape_ 7y ago
"She's never your's; it's only your turn" - plates eventually fall and break, the spark of a relationship eventually dims, and a marriage is all of that with legal repercussions to boot. When your eye drifts from this maxim, you begin to contemplate self-destructive questions like "how do I catch and keep this one?", then proceed to counter-productively scheme all sorts of ways to make a reality from an exercise with a high rate of failure.
You must consistently remind yourself that women come and go, and the devil-may-care attitude will naturally follow the more you accept that to be true.
AwakenedSovereign 7y ago
This right here.
I allow myself to forget in the heat of a romance, at least temporarily. "Enjoy it while it lasts" right?
None of it lasts forever. None of it.
Good advice, thanks
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Mr_Badass 7y ago
When you realize that the less serious you take them the more fun you have.
Aesthetic_God__ 7y ago
You're no cuck, stop using that word aimlessly. Read the sidebar, spin plates, and if you feel you want to establish a ltr remember to not give a fuck and take care of building yourself instead of focusing on building the relationship. Do not neglect yourself and don't get into that "we're one now" fag-relationship-actingasacouple mentality. You're not dependent on any woman. You clearly do what you want with them because you want to have fun and enjoy life, don't take things too seriously for your sake.
Edit : don't ever skip lifting, you'll punish yourself by lowering testosterone production and getting lazy, unfocused and lost and you'll be focusing on crap that doesn't matter instead.