I’ve been here for a few years (30 now) and have trouble understanding how anyone can get from 0 to 10 fucks and beyond.
I saw some escorts a few years ago, had some pretty awful fucks where I couldn’t really get hard or aroused and have pussied out from every possible opportunity since then as I am not sexually confident.
I’ve been planning for a while to start the escort thing again and was hoping to tomorrow as I’m off work. But even that scares the shit out of me. I have zero confidence being sexual and have trouble relaxing enough and being vulnerable enough to get aroused.
How the fuck does someone meet an actual girl, confidently lead to sex, have bad sex due to inexperience and then expect to land a new girl or a lay again?
Why would a girl ever see you again if you can’t fuck her properly? And where do you get the positive reinforcement to even try to Fuck a new girl? There’s no way guys in this situation can pick up easily enough to fuck enough separate girls that they get good enough at it to be worth seeing again.
Please help me understand how I can move past this as all I can think of is setting aside a fixed amount of money and relentlessly seeing escorts until I gain some sexual confidence. Not a troll. Thanks.

UnbreakableFrame 7y ago
A lot of being good in bed is just her being turned on. You achieve this by being attractive to her. You can last for 30 minutes of intense penetration and be hypothetically "great" at nearly all aspects of sex, but her enjoyment of it and her likelihood of orgasming is really mostly hinging on how hot she perceives you as being.
You need to just work on yourself. Read the side bar and develop your frame. Feel like you are a man of the kind of quality that no sane woman would want to pass up, especially over something as trivial as nutting to fast the first time you are together.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Her being turned on is a direct result of my confidence. My looks are bad. I lift and dress decent enough but I’m just bad looking. It is what it is.
I can be confident with girls but it stops before it gets sexual because I just enter a chasm of emptiness.
I work on myself. It’s all I’ve been doing for years. It doesn’t solve this sexual anxiety and my inexperience just sabotages my own confidence here.
I’ve been in bed with a couple girls 10 years ago and couldn’t get hard properly and they cut me off forever. So I learned that no girl is going to give me a second chance if I fuck up the first. So that’s why I eventually decided to see escorts who don’t judge me for it. Again escorts seems like the only answer right now.
UnbreakableFrame 7y ago
How much of the sidebar have you actually read? You still give way too much of a fuck and seem to have very little or no frame. I just went to your comment history and it was very eye opening. You have an extreme defeatist attitude in general. You comment in the worst parts of the RP aware community constantly. You let this shit devour your personal philosophy and leave you with nothing but a shell of pure Nihilism.
People here can help you, but only if you are willing to help yourself. You have to let go of all this garbage you hold on to. You have no business posting here until you are actually ready to receive the words that others type to you. This is not a place for mental masturbation and wasting your time. This is where men come to learn how to improve their lives and then actually do it. You've been spinning your wheels for months and participating in degenerate nonsense.
Come back when you really want the advice you are asking for. Stop trying to validate the miserable way that you see yourself in order to feel that you don't have to do any hard work -- because it wouldn't work for you anyways, right?
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Ok.
Here i am trying to change my attitude. What now? I know all the theory but have ended up here for better or for worse. What now?
I detailed my specific issues.
I'm at a point for the first time in my life now where i can talk to some girls and some might be receptive to me, but i'm afraid of 1. not getting an erection (every experience with non escort women so far), 2. being bad at sex and being unable to open up/relax(my experience with escorts so far). What now?
I'm plenty confident when i decide it's going nowhere, which is obviously the only time i get anywhere as im outcome independent (not giving a fuck). Then when it's ready to go somewhere, i just break down. What now?
UnbreakableFrame 7y ago
You have to salvage yourself from the cesspools that you mentally bath in every day. You can't participate in "incel" culture and then expect to love yourself. If you can get an erection for sex naturally then you can do it with the girls you are struggling with.
I think to move forward we need your full stats.
What have you read. List each book and how many times.
What are your lifts? Height, weight, and body fat.
How much money do you earn?
Have you ever in your life had a successful sexual encounter that wasn't something you paid for?
We want you to succeed, but we may need more information.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I know i shouldn't go on incel forums but they really do smash the pussy from the pedestal. It's helpful but i shouldn't be justifying it.
Read a few of the books on here quite a few times: Power of now, NMMNG, six pillars of self esteem, SGM, models (garbage). Reading manipulated man on the train atm. Haven't read book of pook, was waiting until i actually have at least one positive encounter that i can use to help me maximise what i'll read from there.
Been maintaining squat and deadlift (mutilated hand) at 120kg 5x5 for months while i moved and tried out some different gyms. Bench and row 70kg 5x5. Just started a PPL now that i decided on a new gym. 6ft, probably 20% bf endomorph. Also do yoga.
Earn an ok amount. Pays me to live in a large city (key for me having any interest from girls) and spend fairly freely.
Best 'sexual' encounter i ever had was making out with my oneitis before TRP at 25. I was throwing her around in the street ripping her clothes off without realising what i was doing first night i met her. No other experiences like that.
I have trouble getting an erection or getting turned on. I just wrote a reply to another commenter about a positive female experience https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/8seidj/how\_do\_you\_mentally\_get\_past\_zero/e0zx530
Thanks for your reply
UnbreakableFrame 7y ago
It sounds like you are on the right path, albeit a little early in the journey with those lifts. I honestly think you just have to get your mind into a more positive place. The way you feel in each given moment is the sum of the things you spend your time on. You spend a tremendous amount of time and energy on incel-related stuff that is extremely emotionally toxic.
Please read The Mindful Attraction Plan next. It will help you understand the importance of taking away the aspects of your life that steal your positive energy from you.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I was lifting more a few years ago but caused an injury due to bad form so i took a year and a half off while i dealt with it. I prefer to take it easier now with good form and progress slowly.
Again the incel stuff gives me perspective on where i really stand in the SMP compared to some others who are in worse situations. It's also fascinating seeing the women/numales enter the forums and how they react. I've become a lot better at dealing with shit tests in real life entirely through breaking down their online arguments and seeing their tactics. But whatever.
I will check out that book. But where do i go from here in general?
UnbreakableFrame 7y ago
You need self worth. Do you have a mission in your life? If you were to be on your deathbed tomorrow, are there non-sexual goals you would regret not having achieved? You need a mission more than you need sex. Having a mission will give your life meaning and leaving a meaningful life will imbue you with a feeling of self worth.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Yeah i've really internalised the need for a mission in the last year or so and understanding why its so important as it takes away your main focus/anxiety from women and lets you express the correct amount of 'attention/indifference' necessary to succeed.
I have a smallish mission i've wanted to do for years and finally managing to work on it now that i've found some people to help me with it but it's not that big of a deal. The only thing i would regret on my deathbed is not experiencing women or sex. Nothing else really bothers me that much, i've done most of the stuff already that i gave a fuck about. I think the sex thing is a barrier to a next level of shit to give a fuck about but i really just don't care until i get this part out of the way first.
redrogue12 7y ago
Some men can beat themselves up constantly and improve but others need self-compassion. Give yourself permission to fail. That means to really try until failure, not self sabotage yourself.
If a girl likes you and you mess it up the first time during sex she will usually let you try again. Some won't and in those cases you just try again with somebody else.
You need to learn to relax. There are some tantric teachers who may help you do this during sex. Look if there is someone in your area.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
And you get confident through practice and experience. Stop looking for perfection or even good... think of it more like "this is an experience I'll have and learn from". Or "this will be fun/interesting/whatever, doesn't matter how it turns out".
Why are you worried? You're probably worried about what SHE thinks, and this is a problem. It doesn't matter. Women know that the first few times are often not that good, there's much less pressure than you think.
Worst case if you can't get IDGAF mentality, see it as a process. Get through your first few so you can get to better. It's also not all down to you. The girl will be fun and will help. (If she doesn't, find one that does).
I'd advise against escorts - it's too much of a shortcut, and terrible for your confidence in many cases. Stop pressuring yourself.... you don't have to have sex. Take it easy, go at your own pace.
Why would someone NOT do this? The next girl doesn't see the last one and won't talk to her unless you try and quote references.
Oh they do. They really do. Fuck her good, don't fuck her, fuck her terribly, you don't cum, she doesn't cum, hard like a rock, can't get hard at all, you pass out drunk and don't have sex, she passes out drunk and don't have sex. I've done it all. They still come back. You get a lot of chances if she likes you. Quit pressuring yourself!
Just accept what happens as what happens.
You don't need it. You just try and fuck a new girl.
Yeah, takes a bit of practice. Stop fucking caring so much!
To other readers: he's been around a while, so not a troll :)
Forget escorts man. You don't NEED sexual confidence, you need to relax. See the next girl as practice. And the one after. Until you're chill with all this.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Cheers for this response, just going to save this to read for when I lose perspective.
jackandjill22 7y ago
Cool.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
If i don't aim for sex then it doesn't happen. But then i also can't rush for sex.
This is not my experience. Every time it hasn't gone to plan with a girl i'm rejected hard and/or ghosted. So i've realised i have to be on point otherwise it's just another guaranteed failure and then why even bother at this point as i'm not ready.
I don't really want to anymore honestly. I just want to get it out of the way so i've 'done it' and can stop fixating on it.
You probably didn't see another reply i wrote but i only have one situation where these issues don't apply and i actually feel something. https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/8seidj/how_do_you_mentally_get_past_zero/e0zx530
Thanks for responding.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
you won't get ready unless you keep trying at this.
good, girls like this.
That's a fucking major fuckup. You can't say "I'm a bit stressed out", but you can BE a bit stressed out. Just say "let's chill for a minute" and she'll comply. It's your job to fix you, it's your job to fix the situation, but you can certainly tell her what to do to help. This is more dominant than explaining your emotional state, and you said you like to be dominant.
Absolutely.
This is a terrible fucking plan.
Another terrible fucking plan.
It does NOT WORK LIKE THIS. You can't say "I'm a 7 therefore a 4 will fuck me". This is not how it works in the least.
And she's your boss. Just no.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I have trouble balancing or just understanding this. You said in a previous message:
It's got a bit convoluted but my go to is to not be vulnerable because women just deplore it. But then i'm over doing it or something, leading to hostility. I'm not sure. All i ever do is just make jokes, normal conversation doesn't tend to spike their interest. Not being vulnerable is part of a dominant frame isn't it ?
I don't understand why not honestly. That isn't the basis of the attraction here but it's a nice safety barrier for me to explore this positive interaction/reaction (not that i intend to go there as i stated).
If i look hard and have to grade myself as a number i don't think i'm that far ahead of her and she's within grasp and receptive. I've used interacting with her as a confidence and optimism booster and it's been really valuable and awesome.
At the very least someone on that level is a good place to start surely.
Cheers for your response.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Good.
You're too aggressive I think, from what you say.
Good. Avoid hostility first! Get the hang of normal first.
yes
If it was this simple, TRP wouldn't exist. It just is not that simple. It is for men, but women need a process, need to feel things about you beyond "7 beats 4". Just accept it.
abudun79 7y ago
Stop fapping, stop worrying, remove buffers and start fucking. No one cares if your girls enjoy it as much as you did. And be sure, as long as you act with confidence, your inexperience won't be much of a deal to her. There's no cure, no pill to take, just experience to make. Action creates motivation.
If that doesn't work: I guess someone has to be in the 80%.
alcoholcookie 7y ago
You can't see it happening so you throw away every opportunity
Morphs_ 7y ago
Having been in a similar position I will provide you with tips that will help you. First, you should go on nofap or at least work on it. The less you watch porn the better your dick will work with real women. No masturbation for up to 90 or 120 days will greatly help.
Check out the nofap reddit and get those streaks going. Stop depleting your body of the hormones that will help you actually fuck women.
Second, and I actually do this too again since I started using condoms consistently because of my number of plates, buy generic Cialis. That stuff is cheap, you pop a pill and for 48 hours your dick works great. you still need to get aroused, but the idea that your dick will work takes away the tension.
Third, get more comfortable expressing your sexual desires. Especially any kinks, the stuff that really turns you on. Took me quite a while to be comfortable, but that really helps. Chicks like to please you.
Finally, experiment with dominance. That's the preferred role of the man. It feels contradicting when you're still unsure of yourself, but once you learn that it boosts the atmosphere you'll start to feel in control, similar to when you're jerking it to porn.
Good luck my man
[deleted] 7y ago
Actually NoFap at least in the early stages (pre180 days) can give him premature ejaculation,anyone doing NoFap should do kegels at the same period
Morphs_ 7y ago
Well I always had delayed ejaculation, so for me it was quite beneficial. There are lots of ways to deal with premature ejaculation, I guess his first point of focus would be the erection issue.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I’ve been here for years man. Been to hell and back trying to investigate every aspect of my sexuality. Mastered nofap ages ago before TRP. These days if I do nofap (which I do in streaks of at least 1 week to longer) my sexuality just dies.
Tried cialis and viagra and both don’t work for me due to low blood pressure. I took one before an escort once and I didn’t get any sort of erection.
Investigated my testosterone and have tried to optimise it (naturally) for a few years now. I think the problem is just mental and lack of (any good) experience.
Being dominant is the only thing that really turns me on and I try to exert it as part of my personality all the time when with women (too much sometimes). But i just tend to stop when it’s about to get sexual as I don’t think I can follow through.
When I’m with the escorts im just super shy and afraid to really exert any sort of dominance. And they usually hate it when I try.
I can’t see a way out at this point except for seeing more escorts. What do you think?
Morphs_ 7y ago
Well going for numbers is a good way to get over any anxiety issues because you'll find out that there's always another and there's no negative consequence when you "fail".
Why do you think you can't follow through? Is that the moment you start worrying about your erection? Let's say you were going a bit "fifty shades" on a girl. You know, blindfolding her, tieing her to the bed. So there she is, not able to see your dick or what you're doing. Would that help?
What kind of stuff do you fantasize about when masturbating? Is it possible to make the real deal as similar to your fantasy?
Oh and what also can help is simply addressing the issue in a confident manner. I've told many girls about feeling a bit stressed out when having sex with someone for the first time, you know, the whole performance thing. By telling it in a relaxed and confident manner, the girl usually responds favorable too. Even more when I say I get hard if she lets me do my thing with her during foreplay.
After it has been addressed it tends to feel lighter for you. Now she knows, no more pressure.
For reference, I'm 37 and all this stuff started to click in just the last few years. I'm a notorious thinker. Being intelligent has big drawbacks and overthinking is one. Nowadays I'm more in line with my "primal" self. It may feel as if I'm acting dumber, but I'm more acting as my human self and I love it (the chicks that are getting pounded too btw).
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Hey thanks for your response. I appreciate the lack of hostility.
I just fantasise about being dominant. Not much else. Everything else is out of my control so i don't really think about it.
Man girls give me no room for error. This is just my experience. The moment i fuck up slightly at all it's over. I can't imagine being able to say to a girl i'm a bit stressed out or something, it's fucking over after that.
The moment i was slightly vulnerable with my pre TRP oneitis she ripped me apart and the first thing i learned here was not to be vulnerable, it's a turn off and a deal breaker.
> Nowadays I'm more in line with my "primal" self.
Yeah i understand this.
Everyone shit on me in my last post for this but i have been flirting with my boss at work for the last year. She's late 30's, a 4 or something, socially retarded. But she was attracted to me and she responds to my confidence/dominance. It's been a really important step for me just experiencing a receptive woman for the first time and getting to try stuff out and seeing it work. Given me all the confidence i have at this point. Haven't invited her out or anything because i like my job but been really tempted to many times. Point of this story is that i get hard when looking at her or talking to her. I wanna reward her by fucking her because i know she wants me back. This is the only situation i have where i can relax enough to get turned on because i know i'm better than her and her best option and therefore she would be receptive to my advances/ideas/plans/desires. It's taken me from 0 in my mind to 0.2 or something and this has allowed me to be confident enough with other girls that i see them as potential options.
I usually talk to my boss once a week and have a sexually charged conversation and it's the highlight of my week (and maybe hers). Where can i go from here?
Thanks for your reply.
Morphs_ 7y ago
Hey man no problem. Guys on here can be quite harsh en narrowminded, I try to be openminded en flexible in my thinking.
This is all about frame. If you feel uncomfortable telling a girl something, she will pick up on that "weakness". She'll probably throw some tests in to confirm that you are indeed not comfortable with this sexual part.
I'm a good talker and usually approach the subject from a wide angle. Don't say "my dick doesn't work" or "I watch porn and messed up myself" or anything like that. I start telling that sexuality nowadays is a tricky thing since a lot has changed through technology. Things go fast with phones and stuff, and porn plays a role too and I've had to deal with stuff too. You know, that way prepares her for what is to come, but I say it in a relaxed way, as if I've dealt with it in the past, but add that it still has some effects from time to time.
I have a very open and relaxed frame and I like to take time while talking. Set up the atmosphere for the message, that works so well. It's a guys thing to cut straight to the point, but this only confuses women. Also, I tend to address this subject only when I'm cuddling with a girl. Else the whole thing feels to distant, she must feel me holding her, she'll be better able to feel I'm relaxed while talking.
Yeah, everybody here is extremely against work affairs. Personally I don't judge about it but I am aware of potential hazards and you should be as well. That said, recently I had sex with someone I knew through work for the first time, but not a direct colleague as I'm a freelance dancing teacher and it was a substitute teacher at some school I did two lessons.
Anyway, back to you. You may get hard of your boss because she may not feel directly available to you. That makes it safe and free of pressure I guess. But maybe she also radiates something that makes you feel relaxed.
Well, if you regularly flirt with her it would be an idea to introduce some kind of topic of an activity that you two can do. As a dancing teacher, I tend to joke around about giving a woman a lapdance, or just private dancing lessons. Or meditating together. But it can also be something less sexually charged and more exciting, like go-karting (great date suggestion btw).
So that way you can occasionally refer to this. "hey how about we do that thing we've been talking about?". Use that to estimate if she just keeps it with flirting, or that she actually would like to hang out with you.
Another way would be to openly talk about something and tell her that you would want to expand on it, but then after work. "Hey we can discuss this further, but after work sometime while grabbing a drink, you up for that?". Present the whole thing as light and relaxed, I guess that's a good thing to do because she's your boss. So if she denies it's not a tragedy, you don't lose face and she doesn't feel sexually harassed (don't know if you live in the US or not).
Just keep scanning her body language and responses, if she radiates excitement towards you or not.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
Hey thanks for replying.
This is just my experience but i can say a much lesser thing than this and the girl is out the door. Zero room for error. I am relaxed as well but this just indicates to her i am not getting laid anywhere and it puts pressure on her to be able to help me with my 'issue'. Admitting or mentioning either of both issues kill anything i had going for me.
Isn't cuddling a post sex activity? How would you only mention it then?
I know i could succeed with my boss which is what gives me confidence. But i don't want to go there as my job is really good and i don't want to lose it. I just want to transmute the confidence over to other girls. But i felt it was important to mention the progress i've made with accessing my sexuality through her.
I know i could call her or text her at any time and he would be up for anything i said. Probably throw up a tiny bit of resistance which would be fun. But no other situation or girl i have this level of confidence.
anonusernametaken 7y ago
What are you doing besides thinking about sex? Are you lifting? How is your career? Are you reading? Be confident in other things and sex can be a consequence.
Are you really 30? Look at yourself in the mirror? Are you fat? Maybe start with trying to approach girls about your attractive ness.
Avesatanie 7y ago
Sometimes that "sex is a consequence" sounds like "you will find the right girl for you". At this point I learned that if I want something specific, I need to seek for it.
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I prefer lower attractiveness girls (4-5) all around but it’s still down to me to do the work and lead the situation. There have been opportunities recently (which is a new thing for me) but I’ve just pussied out of them all due to lack of genuine desire because I know I’m not going to be able to do shit well.
Yeah I lift, have a good job, do other hobbies (exercise and music). I’m very grateful and happy to do any and all of them. Just stuck in a rut for years regarding this and want to get out of it now so it stops having so much meaning.
Im probably around 18% bf atm as I’m eating a lot to break through some shit. Endomorph.