I appreciate there are many factors consider (are you socially autistic? Have you got any friends that could help give you that push to approach? Is it a financially sound decision?) regarding paying for a bootcamp...
Recently I applied for Valentino Kohen's 2-week bootcamp in London, and I'll be headed back to Uni this this September. I can afford the cost ($9995), but it will take up over half of my total amount of cash in my back (including savings). It's a fuck-tonne of money, and I'm pretty tight with money.
I'm 'on the fence' regarding this decision simply because it's a shit-load of money, however the 2-hour consultation call I had with a member of his team sold it incredibly well... Of course, I appreciate that I can just go out there solo and approach alone without spending money, but I've attempted that for a while and there's so much resistance.
Have any of you guys taken these bootcamps? Can your perspective/identity really be altered so drastically in such a small amount of time? The days consist of seminars then action-taking, and will also have reflection and 1-on-1 talks.. is this all really worth it? I'm just trying to consider the expense versus the amount of time I'd otherwise have to spend developing these skills solo/with a few mates.
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endertheend 7y ago
I wouldn't do this.
But I did. and It ended up in failure.
I could have used that money to buy hookers every weekend I didnt get laid until I achieved a body that brings girls to me automatically (look at the top TRP posts)
Seriously keep lifting, keep diet good get down to 8% bf, if youve got that money, invest in a skill like coding, online marketing, salsa classes, whatever. Get a personal trainer to help get you the body that attracts women as well. You can do many things with that money that are better investments than a 2 week bootcamp.
You're going to spend $10k on that, you'd better come out of that SO GOOD at getting chicks, that you're literally drowning in pussy for the rest of the year.
Tip: go find people who have taken the course, and ask them lots of questions, see if they have really mastered pick up and are now drowning in abundance.
If not (which is about 99% going to be the case) then don't do it.
Locoboy713 7y ago
50% of your entire saving for some sounded advice that you probably already read, watched and learned online. Invest that $10k for long term financial gains, continue to learn, practice and approach in a real world .
Shaney96 7y ago
Personally, the main attraction is being around people with so much experience who will push me to broke through all my personal barriers and help disidentify from this self that has spent so much time mentally masturbating but applied so little of what I've learned to this is association with a past self
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Shaney96 7y ago
It's a risk for sure, and I agree that 50% of my wealth (especially as a student) is too much to risk for something that isn't guaranteed and is simply a means of getting something I want NOW because I'm too impatient for.
resnine 7y ago
Try a coding-bootcamp you'll spend the same and be able to make thrice the money back soon.
do_you_even_liftbro 7y ago
If I'm paying 10 grand I want to be guaranteed a job, and a brand new company vehicle of my choosing.
TheIcePill 7y ago
LOL!!!! What are you doing spending that much money on some 2-week bootcamp? Unless it's a bootcamp where it's like 20 HB10 girls going with you and you are the only guy going, it's not worth it. If you want life experience go to enriching classes or plan a field trip on your own.
anon1moos 7y ago
10k is indeed a fuck-ton of money. The sales person better god-damn well sell it well, that's their fucking job.
There is no way such a thing will be worth the cost.
I assume you're British? Take a week long vacation to a cheap part of the continent for like 1/10th the price, put your self out there and go wild.
Shaney96 7y ago
I agree with most of what you say here. Indeed, I knew the salesperson's sole intention was to sell a product to me.
The part that got me was 'put your self out there and go wild': I've solo-traveled a bit this year and, I find myself dealing with so much resistance regarding throwing myself into situations.
My argument FOR purchasing this bootcamp was simply: What if someone can basically force you to take action, for 6 hours a day, for 2 weeks straight, while simultaneously helping you improve and help you see tangible results.
The argument is simply: (potentially) spend years trying to disidentify from this old-self and getting odd improvements every now-and-again, or spend a load of money and (potentially) have a perspective-altering experience that gives great short-term gain.
endertheend 7y ago
hmm...On second thought, after reading through your posts in this thread.
I changed my mind. You should do this.
Why? Because a plethora of people have told you that you shouldn't do this, yet you are still trying to argue with them about it.
This means that you are already set on doing this.
"A fool and his money are soon parted"
You should change your username to Fool96.
So go ahead, buy the bootcamp, just dont come back here complaining about how it wasn't worth your money.
Shaney96 7y ago
If you're on about the 'I've made my decision', that 'decision' was 'I'm not going to do it.' My intention was not to argue with others, but I tried to lay out logical reasons for and against it.
I read your original post, and I appreciate those thoughts, and I agree. My final decision is simply:
"This is not financially viable for me. Considering I want to travel after Uni and partake in trips and classes throughout my last year, spending so much money on something that isn't guaranteed to bring long-term change, would not be a good investment. When considering the opportunity cost, my money is better spent elsewhere."
Cheers for the response. I believe the original phone call just swayed me over, but after more consideration, that's a fuck tonne of money for something that isn't guaranteed. And even if it was guaranteed, it's something that can be achieved through persistent work over a longer time.
anon1moos 7y ago
what is this resistance you're facing when you're out solo? Surely you can get over whatever mental block you're facing for less than 10k.
if you put concerted effort into going after what you want, the improvements will almost certainly be larger and faster than what Mr. Kohen's people are trying to lead you to believe.
Additionally, there is a very real possibility that a good portion of those "short term gains" made on program won't stick once you go back home to your regular life.
Shaney96 7y ago
The resistance is purely egoistic. It's just negative thoughts and me having some issues with identity in regard to not seeing myself who can do well with girls and shit.
I agree, for less than 10k these issues could probably be resolved through long-term persistence and - potentially - therapy, if need be.
Yeah, and that was one of my apprehensions regarding this: Not seeing long-term change. The premise is to 'shock you' into changing your mindset by exposing you to so much action over a short period of time, but I can imagine finishing it and going back to older ways with just a few new techniques and shit.
SirKolbath 7y ago
That is a terrible investment. This whole subreddit is chock full of people who simply read the sidebar and applied it and watched their life improve. Why the fuck would you pay that much money - my first three cars combined were $9,800 - to learn what you could get for free with a little work?
Ill answer my own question: Because you are impatient and you are lazy. You don't want to earn your life improvement. You just want to have it.
Let me tell you what's going to happen. You're going to shit out ten grand for this boot camp. You're going to go and feel great. You might even put a few of the principles into practice.
Three months from now you'll be right back where you started. And do you want to know why?
Because fast changes don't stick. You're talking about complete lifestyle changes here. You can't unwrap that mummy overnight.
But you're not going to listen to us. If you decide to cancel, you're going to call in to do it and that salesman, whose very job revolves around keeping you interested in the product, is going to shine you on and you'll flop back.
The only thing you're going to learn from this "boot camp" is not to waste $10k on stupid shit.
Shaney96 7y ago
Yeah, I like your point regarding wanting significant change 'overnight' and can appreciate the truth this bears.
The point the coach made (in attempt to counter this argument) was essentially 'we give you so many reference experiences that this change is made to be permanent.' How much truth this holds, I don't know...
I wouldn't say I'm entirely lazy (although I completely appreciate the amount of 'Armchair Alphas' there are on here), but I definitely believe I'm impatient. I'm 21 and often do I get thoughts about how 'I'm running out of time' and shit.
I'm tight as fuck with money ("what and you even considered spending half your wealth on this?!"), and a massive argument for me is how much solo travel I could get in with this money. Man, I could fucking sustain myself for a good amount of time with this money.
Yeah, thanks for your response man. I've made my decision.
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I wouldn't consider it personally unless it's less than 10% of my disposable income.
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Why not just join the army or navy and wash out after 2 weeks?
88VILLI 7y ago
absolutely not.
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Shaney96 7y ago
I understand it's not a spectator sport, hence the bootcamp. Too often have I been guilty of this. The attraction (and why I even bothered filling out an application form) of it was how this bootcamp would consist of 6 hours a day, for 2 weeks, of people pushing you out of your comfort zone and building these reference experiences and helping morph your perspective.
Wrath_of_Trump 7y ago
This sounds like a terrible waste of money. You could probably go to Amsterdam and spend a month just sleeping with top shelf hookers.
Shaney96 7y ago
The idea is to shift your perspective through a multitude of reference experiences and understanding of your ability to achieve such things, not just pay a few birds to fuck you...
Wrath_of_Trump 7y ago
I don't think you need to spend $10,000 to do that, but if you're determined to flush that money away, then I would probably tell you to just get the hookers and do things they only do in the films.
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Completely autistic.
Get a gym membership and learn how to diet instead.
Morphs_ 7y ago
You know, contrary to the rest here I'd say you have some good reasons to consider it. Yes it's a lot of money but if you value him as a good teacher it may actually be worth it.
At the very least, spending almost 10k on this will make you push yourself. Because that's your problem, you don't push yourself. You can get there by yourself but you acknowledge that you lack something in this department.
Spending money on self-development is not a bad investment. If you do it, please report back here how it went, what you learned etc.
W_O_M_B_A_T 7y ago
What serious professional qualifications does he have?
What tangible skills is he claiming to teach you?