Plates and FWBs are easy. You don't invest anything and so it literally does not matter.
But what about OLTRs, MLTRs? Poly relationships? Any situation where you actually do invest to some extent. And yet you know other men are fucking her.
Is it just a matter of having enough women on deck? The few times I've had multiple girls in concurrent rotation it certainly seems easier to care less about your competition. But as soon as you are down to 1 chick.. and know that chick is fucking other guys.. it seems impossible to hold frame.
RPTA3498 8y ago
From the ashes comes abundance and cares fade away like the wind.
Some dudes are into being cuck and liberal media/porn has made it acceptable. If MRP is TRP on hard mode, OLTR/Poly is TRP on Hell mode and you best have the best dick because it usually works out best for the woman.
AwakenedSovereign 8y ago
I've had it both ways. One OLTR that worshipped me and other more recent situations where it was obviously working out in her favor.
Hmm..
RPTA3498 8y ago
OLTR can mean different things which you have basically outlined above.
One that worshiped you - she had the open door but didn't take it I assume. It was "open" but only you were using that to your advantage.
Working out in her favor - Bound to happen, you can't win them all. That's why she's a plate and you don't care what else she has going on.
GreenPiller 8y ago
I honestly don't know, I've been cheated on and women completely stop being yours once another man sticks his penis inside and conquers her body. Patrice ONeal let other men fuck his wife. Johnny Sins doesn't do open relationships, maybe Patrice had godlike unbreakable frame. https://youtu.be/N9m_-O98lgM https://youtu.be/t9QOQNcpuiA
AwakenedSovereign 8y ago
Think it really depends on context for me. Some girls I don't give a shit about. Some I do. Unfortunately for me I care a bit too easily.
Probably once I have a truly stable rotation I'll be good. Caring about them is "allowed" when there are 2+ and I had no problems holding frame in those situations.
Soon as it's down to 1 tho.. nope.
beastmodeking 8y ago
how did you find out she cheated on you ?
GreenPiller 8y ago
She disappeared for a few days after a big fight, my gut had a really bad feeling. We got back together a week later, we were chilling, she then went to the bathroom and left her phone unlocked, the rest is history.
Morphs_ 8y ago
That sucks man. In hindsight where there any indicators before the fight about her being a cheater?
How did she react when you looked at her phone?
GreenPiller 8y ago
You know the usual, tons of orbiters, alpha widowed, I often asked her what she thought about true love and marriage, her responses were always "You never know what might happen in the future" Oh and she got mad and denied everything, I cried and yelled at her like a pussy,making her decision to leave me easier. She said she didn't need this in her life, she disappeared a few days later. Its pretty shocking seeing a girl who worshipped you and needed you transform into a cold woman with no mercy, it felt like getting stabbed in the heart with a butcher knife.
Forgot_Pword 8y ago
Damn. That led you to the pill?
GreenPiller 8y ago
No I've been lurking for 4 years. I got constantly cheated on and friendzone. Becoming redpill isn't a straight road, you'll sometimes go blue pill and have doubts, especially if you manage to land a super hot girl, no man is invulnerable to the Blue Pill fantasy.
Forgot_Pword 8y ago
Hmm...
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
If you do not give committment can you really be cheated on? Even with my OLTRs, who give their commitment in exchange for higher status/more privileges with me, if they suddenly malfunctioned and I needed to cut them loose, everything would be fine. Why? Because actual abundance trumps everything. And it keeps girls on their toes and eager to please - my OLTR2 is a hard 9 but feels like she has to compete for my attention because, as she puts it, ”you can get a hundred girls like me.” Now, she overstates, but she knows that my stock is in play, so that is preselection, working in my favor.
AwakenedSovereign 8y ago
Logically? You are correct.
But I dunno. I had this hard 8 model chick in my bed Tuesday night. She had cancelled plans to go party on Saturday and get fucked. We were not exclusive.
I had another plate that broke the previous Thursday.. I think that's what fucked me up. Plate#1 cancelled plans the same night so it was a double whammy. I stayed busy over the weekend but still felt down on myself.
After the weekend plate#1 shows up at my place Tuesday acting sweet but it feels weird to me knowing what she did. She even had a hickey on her thigh. I was disgusted.
Basically I felt like a beta teddy bear she was coming home to after a big night out getting fucking by Chad. Made worse because she had suddenly become my only plate. She was still feminine and submissive enough.. would have fucked.. but I couldn't get out of my head.
I kicked her out at 2:30 in the morning and hard nexted. I've felt that way before and it was with a cheating ex-gf. No reason to do it again.
But maybe I'm just being a bitch? I've got a date tonight already and high confidence it will become a new plate.. so suddenly I "feel" better. Tangible abundance. And of course, I'm regretting the way o treated plate #1. Sigh.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
And that was the problem. When you only have one plate, you have a girlfriend.
AwakenedSovereign 8y ago
Truth. I was going to reply that kicking her out at 2:30am was over reacting on my part.. shoulda waited.. considering I'll probably have a new plate by tonight.
But now she's texting me about how fucked up she is over it and asking if I'm ok and what she did wrong.
The new recruit cracked a joke about tonight being a date and so I said "yeah you're right.. I'll just let you know when I'm done with my evening and you can come chill. Or not. Have fun."
"I'm sorrrry! I was looking forward to it!"
Is it really this easy? Do you just treat them like shit and they grow like fucking mushrooms?
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
An even older and wiser man than me once told me: "Treat'em rough to get the muff."
Wolfwoodd 8y ago
Abundance mentality comes with success. Also, truely wide open relationships can be quite fun with the right people involved. Its hard to wrap your mind around it until you're actually in a good one. When i met my wife, we were both dating several people. This was way back around the time I was into the pick-up artist thing. We worked well together and never stopped dating other people even when we got more serious. We both just really liked the dynamic and we ended up trying out swinging and poly. It turns out group sex is one of my biggest kinks... so there was no going back for me. I could never do a "normal" relationship again after all the awesome experiences I've had with my wife. Furthermore, I dont like leaving my wife home alone when i go out with girlfriends.. so I'm actually happier when she is dating. Lastly, my wife is still crazy about me after all these years. 10/10.. would marry again.
redlurker9 8y ago
You're a lucky man.
360_no_scope_upvote 8y ago
So you don't care that you wife is getting plowed by strange dick
hibloodstevia 8y ago
Men who share their wives and cuckolds have neurological issues that basically amount to crossed wires. Similar to how some feel pleasure through pain, they have sexual gratification at seeing their woman pleasured by another.
BestSC86 8y ago
Those are not the same type relationship which you are comparing...they are all about the physical act of sex.
When you get in that lifestyle, you have moved past the emotional\commitment model to where the only important thing is getting your rocks off. When the girl becomes little more than a hole to orgasm in when you are horny, then it really does not matter a whit who else is dropping a load into that hole. Given that little else in involved in the "relationship", that chick leaving you for another dick next month doesn't register as anything but the loss of a hole for dropping a load and there are 8 billion holes on the planet.
Frankly, most of the people who are that level usually have some pretty severe emotional damage...though it is always coached as superiority in handling relationships.
The simple fact is that those people have replaced any form of emotional attachment to just the physical act.