It's not uncommon for girls just in their 20's to have at least one kid these days. So you know she puts out. I figure this is the future and I need to learn how to game them. I've been approaching them thinking they'd be the easiest lay but they play a different ball game. I know the sub chants to avoid them or just pump n dump and the latter is my goal.
So each time she's interested. Girls with kids act more interested than any other girl. It doesn't matter where or how the pickup begins if it's sexual and flirty or in public and really subliminal. She's interested. We talk. I get her #. Easy.
By the first meetup arrangement there's an obstacle. She'll somehow force her kid into the picture. Or sometimes literally send me a pic with her and her kid which is disgusting. So I just stop talking at this point completely.
If that never occurs we have a meetup arranged. The obstacle here is she will always play it off like she's shy to meet new people. Bitch no you aint you fucked a dude and had his kid years ago and the whole world knows you're the furthest from shy. But I don't say this I keep trucking along. So most of the time that follows with she'll have to reschedule and she sets the new date.
I think this is two-fold. First she's re-framing by avoiding my set time trying to establish some sort of control. Granted she has a kid but bitches don't give two shits about their kid if good dick is in the picture so that's just an excuse. Second, I think she's testing to see how far she can push back meeting me. How long I'm willing to wait. By this time I'm already fed up with her little games when I have a fuck buddy I can demand to come over and fuck her exactly when I tell her to.
So by this stage if the previous obstacle doesn't happen, we're meeting but slowly begins to argue with me about my assertiveness. Really what she's doing is arguing with my masculine behavior because she can't control it. Like I haven't fucked her, we just met, and she's gas-lighting me. Note I know it seems like a shit test. But there's no backing down from her no matter how I navigate. That's what clues me in that she's not interested. I have a near-zero tolerance policy with gas lighters. They're border line psycho. So at this point, if we ever get to this stage, I make some excuse to pardon from the table and I just bail.
Is there some de-facto strategy with young whores with kids I need to consider? They've been the most difficult by far.
M1ster_X 8y ago
I know a single mom. She's HOT. Has even gotten a job in modeling with H&M. But...she's a single mom. So, nope. Friends only. There is attraction there, yes indeed...but...she's a single mom, and even BEFORE I swallowed the pill I knew enough to know that's a "no-go".
somebullshitrp 8y ago
They're fun to fuck, but you don't want to raise someone else's spawn
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
no shit
mallardcove 8y ago
Can you believe that you just wrote all those hamstering paragraphs over damn single mothers?
Are you sure you are on the right sub?
Single mothers - good for pump & dump ONLY, and even that is risky. Do not invest ANYTHING into them. If you can't get them to fuck with minimal effort, move on. Not worth it. At all.
You are clearly invested into single mothers for some reason. Pedestalizing single mothers... pathetic, do you realize you are on a TRP sub?
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awalt_cupcake 8y ago
haha I'll do that if I manage to get past the last obstacle.
I mean, most of them admitted to being on dating sites. She's not that hesitant. I think she's looking for a BB now but I know an experienced player could make the lay happen.
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awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Yeah I've thought about going "Cad" (real term to describe a man who lies about commitment) but that's a lot more work than I'm willing to put in right now. Definitely a move I will make in the future just for shits and gigs.
MrTheFalcon 8y ago
You asked her out, right? Great, move on. Ignore anything from her that isn't confirming a meetup. Call your FB and meet more women in the meantime.
Single moms just have more risk and responsibility, and they've been burned by pump-and-dump because nobody wants to take on their baggage.
I don't understand the hate in comments. Single moms are fine. It's not extra work. They just take more time getting to a decision, and have conditions that may not work for you. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. Let it be what it is.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Thank you for taking the time to read my post.
I can definitely see how I would need to really bring down their ASD and bitch shields considering they already have a spawn no one wants. Must be a huge slap in the face to her SMV too. You seem to have experience on this subject. For future single moms how can I get her to ease up without going in the friend zone? I've met up with a few young single moms but in the meet they were already stingy. Gave me bad vibes.
MrTheFalcon 8y ago
How can you get her to ease up? You can't. She has kids and responsibilities. She's going to be thinking about you fit into her world. There will always be a frame conflict.
Your best bet is to set your limits, and only move forward. You're basically starting her at soft next. Text, phone, date, home, sex. If you date, and hit ASD and question gauntlet with no advancement, soft next. If / When she calls, invite her over, and just say "no thanks" to public dates.
I talk to single moms who ghost, only to reappear sometime later asking if I'm still interested. I always escalate, and they either go along, or ghost again.
Just know that even when you break her frame, she's compromising sex, and expecting a provider.
The exception here is if you are alpha prime. Then she's banging you right away with no expectations. She will make the exception because of your high SMV. Online that means you are top 1% of the 1%.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Gotcha there's no real strategy in these cases besides have a high SMV and win the number lotto. She's looking for a man to fill a very particular role she has in mind. That's sort of how I felt they were being; calculated with me. Makes sense when you put it that way.
MrTheFalcon 8y ago
You get it. The margin is thinner.
There's a reason 40 year old Alphas date 26 year old women. There's a graph for this.
Once kids are involved, the qualifiers are static.
Docbear64 8y ago
So you go for chicks with financial and time restrictions with amplified responsibility issues and they are the hardest to game / fuck ..... also they are the most likely to be looking for a provider .
why ?
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
people on here said they were easy
WillTyr 8y ago
So the real question is
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-Are you here to marry them ?
Because if you go for sex, then why would you care about their financial and time restrictions ? and even if you do, you use those infos to play the game, not to care about her. Because you would have asked about her children on the first date and try to somehow build her a unrealistic dream about her having a family with you, just so you can bang her ? now you are a douche
I respect OP, straightforward for sex, keep it clear for the mom.
Docbear64 8y ago
good point I'm not saying it matters in terms of evaluating them or even in a getting to know them context I'm just explaining the extra boundaries there are to fucking them versus any woman without kids. A chick I can only fuck on wednesdays at 3PM when the kids are sleep and she doesn't have to work the next day ? or a chick who I can have over in 20 minutes because she only has herself and her own schedule to worry about ?
Women with kids just have more shit to deal with so OF COURSE they are going to be harder to fuck . They are typically thirstier than women without kids but are also far less available.
WillTyr 8y ago
Exactly, if you already know there would be boundaries and difficulties ? Why would yo still chase after a woman with her children ?
Here comes my point, thirstier is not equal to less available.
When a woman is thirsty, she will make herself available, with the condition that there is no life-threatening things in her life.
When a woman is less available, apparently, she is not that interested. PERIOD.
OP has been correct and straightforward. Apparently, he must have had some success with women having their children with them. As the result, he can see that it's not as ez as everyone is saying.
Docbear64 8y ago
She has a tiny human being whose survival depends on her for at least 14 hours a day .
I get what you're saying women make time for they men they really want but at the same time they have a fucking anchor attached to them almost 24/7 . You can't judge single moms ( in terms of availability and scheduling) the same way you judge other women because if the child is anything less than a teenager they usually require their attention or the attention of someone close to them .
badchad_isglad 8y ago
Don't forget about their saggy tits!