So, I follow TRP, it has changed my life, etc. You know the drill. I've had more sex in the past year than in the 26 previous years of my life. But now I'm at a point where I would like to be in a LTR. Lately I've been thinking what qualities I look for in a woman, and, while I do value the qualities that are often discussed over at TRP (femininity, coming from a traditional family...), I've realized I find women from the RPW sub incredibly boring. I like witty women, women with personalities and opinions, and those girls sound so... empty.
So, I wonder: where's the balance? Is it possible to find a woman with a personality that's also a good partner or should I just forget about it?
iwishiwasamermaid 10y ago
I'm not sure how much time you've spent on rpw but you can sure see plenty of opinions in the comments. But you have to remember it's a RP subject oriented thread. If I were to goto RP I might conclude RP men are all boring meatheads that only discuss lifting and sexual strategy. For example, I am extremely passionate about politics, ethics, science. I also love yelling at the tv watching UFC with my SO, reading comic books and planning adventures/travel for us. My SO and I have invigorating discussions about things we are passionate about or differ in opinion about. But I don't insult or degrade his opinion while presenting mine. For major decisions I prefer to defer to the man I'm with as a sign of trust and respect, not because I'm not intelligent and capable. Because it's easier when there's no power struggle and truthfully despite my intelligence I will tend to use emotion more than logic when considering choices. Do you think rpw can only talk about tea and cupcakes? Or you think they never express opinions? That's not reflective of the variety of women there. Our common goal is to respect men and ltr a GOOD man. Not to become mute femmebots that have no opinions or personalities.
abdada 10y ago
My LTR lurks over there from time to time. I've never looked at TRP as sexual strategy, though. Sex is easy, it's the rest of living that really falls into line with TRP values.
Personally, I appreciate what RPW is selling -- women who actually DO want to get married and DO want captains in their lives.
Remember the goal of TRP here is to create Alpha Fucks. The goal of RPW is to find Alpha Bucks. The two do not align much at all. Right now there is no well known public community dedicated to creating Alpha Bucks type guys.
GC0W30 10y ago
I think the goal of TRP is what you make it. I see Alpha Bucks as a subset of the larger behavior of being Alpha Fucks.
If you're doing Alpha right, you're going to be fit and have frame. You can be Alpha Fucks.
If you want your life to be awesome, you'll kind of want money so you have the associated freedom to live where you want, drive what you want, pursue the best possible hobbies, etc.
A lot of our endorsed contributors and mods are, or are well on their way to being, Alpha Bucks. It seems like it's a common goal here.
"Good girls", the kind that you want giving you children, ARE boring compared to amazing plates, fun ONS, good fuckbuddies, good medium-length LTR bitches, etc
Look, unless you want kids, monogamy is bullshit, and even if you want kids, marriage is arguably worthwhile. Even the highest-quality pussy will leave you bored after 3 months. The longer you keep a chick, the higher the cost... she'll bring more drama to the table even as her value to you decreases.
If you do monogamy, you'll get tired of that one pussy even quicker than otherwise. The best way to love a woman amazingly, with awesome sex and great companionship, is to have several at once... that way you wear them all out much slower.
throwTRP 10y ago
Personally I don't want kids, but I do like monogamy (not marriage, just one serious relationship). I've been doing the plate-spinning thing for a while now and (at the risk of sounding beta) I miss the companionship of only one woman, for holidays or even living together. Lately I've been seeing a couple girls who are religious and seem to want a traditional relationship, but I can't stomach their lack of personality.
abdada 10y ago
Not true when it comes to Reddit -- the mods at the main subreddit have stated specifically that TRP at Reddit is only for Alpha Fucks creation, i.e. sexual strategy.
So there's a chasm between TRP in general and TRP on Reddit.
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abdada 10y ago
No, they're against Alpha Fucks completely there. Their goal is Alpha Bucks and only Alpha Bucks.
RPAlternate42 10y ago
/r/marriedredpill is as close as you're getting
abdada 10y ago
MRP is more about married AFCs working to repair a failed relationships, not about guys who want a wife and kids in the future.
It's a solid place to lurk to see the bad side of bad decisions.
[deleted] 10y ago
Western men shouldn't LTR anyone in the current legal climate.
Borsao66 10y ago
I stumbled into an RPW completely by accident off of Match while building up a plate harem. She was having medical problems (he husband left over it). Now with a new kidney that's a non issue.
She's an off the boat Filipina but has been here 20 years. Cooks 3x a day, rocking body & cute face, massages me routinely, dtf, pays her own way, rarely shit tests and even then their minor, no kids, and a very calm / gentle personality. She can be a little sarcastic but not enough to break my frame. In 4 months we haven't even argued once. I'm letting thing develop towards an LTR whilst keeping a close eye for flags.
If you function well in an LTR, natural RPWs are out there, but few and far between. Just remember, any LTR is always RP on hard mode.
So to answer your question, yes I'd LTR an RPW bit only after careful and thorough vetting and even then marriage is highly unlikely for me ever again.
throwTRP 10y ago
I hope this isn't offensive, but I don't consider relationships with Asian women to be RP. And moreover I'm not attracted to Asian women either.
Borsao66 10y ago
Not offended at all. I've been with all sorts, White, Latina, Black, Asian, etc.. Her mom worked for the Philippine Embassy system for many years so she's not "just" Asian, more well rounded and traveled.
But I admit, I don't have a "type". All that look shit fades eventually anyhow. I care more about how she acts and treats me than her particular ethnicity, hair color or body shape (except no landwhales). The attitude determines the long haul potential more than the visual aspect for me. But I'm also older than most TRP'ers (49), so my mission isn't necessarily your mission. It's all good brother.
throwTRP 10y ago
Although I am indeed younger than you, I have a few friends your age (through work) and a surprising percentage of them are in LTRs with Asian ladies, and I can't help but feeling than Asian ladies are the last resort when white men just give up on white women.
I'm almost exclusively physically attracted to white women, but that's not everything I care about. I also want the woman I'm with to speak fluent English and to share a cultural background with me.
TheRedStoic 10y ago
Yes it's possible. I've done it thrice in a decade and a half.
Even then, things will get in the way. Time, location, inevitability of Monotony or boredom.
They will happen.
If you mean "worth wifing for kids", yes it is possible.
It's all possible, the question really is "have I earned it".
You earn by preparation, so you want as close to your unicorn as possible? Are you her statistical equivalent? No? Keep working, gaming, and improving.
If you're not a 10% man, don't expect a 10% (relationship value) woman. I would posit that you can create a good woman if and only if you're consistent and quality enough to maintain the boundaries and expectations (of her and yourself). It's a lot of work.
But some men can do it. Little reason why you can't be one of them.
If you want that ideal, get over yourself, there is no such thing. But you can get close, the opportunities are there, but your preparation must be enough to recognize and utilize. It really does all come down to you. You've got this.
throwTRP 10y ago
This was very insightful, thank you.
Aerobus 10y ago
I don't recommend you LTR a female that uses that subreddit. This is coming from someone that knows the community and has participated in it for over 2 years.
longlivethekingg 10y ago
can you expand as to why you think that?
[deleted] 10y ago
More importantly - don't bother the users there. The ones that aren't already married or in relationships, don't need to be bothered by weird reddit users. We get RP guys trying to flirt all the time, or they use it as a practice arena. It's gross and a quick way to earn a ban.
Aerobus 10y ago
Be respectful. He did nothing to warrant such a response.
[deleted] 10y ago
Nothing I said was disrespectful? It was true, and direct.
I was responding to longlivethekingg. You're inserting yourself into a comment that had nothing to do with you. I was telling another male user, that was showing curiosity - to avoid going onto the RPW sub for the reasons he initially outlined in a different comment.
Aerobus 10y ago
Yes, it was true and direct, but I don't think he warranted that response simply for asking me to expand on my views. If you were responding based on his other comment, you should have replied there to suggest to him to not participate in RPW.
I now know I was wrong but I could not tell if that comment was meant for me or not because it seemed unusual for you to offer such a forceful reply to a simple comment he made.
[deleted] 10y ago
It makes just as much sense to respond to the comment that I did, or the initial one. Dealer's choice, so to speak.
Aerobus 10y ago
In my opinion very few of them are actually feminine, understand male nature, and are good partners. Maybe like 10%. The rest do one or two things and then make posts and comments seeking attention and validation.
Most of them simply are not high quality women.
[deleted] 10y ago
Imagine how fucked up you have to be to seek attention over there.
longlivethekingg 10y ago
you mean like the rest of the western female population?
meh..at least some of them are trying.
Aerobus 10y ago
Yes some are trying and it's why I've gone there to help. But you are correct it's saddening when you realize that women will forever behave like women.
[deleted] 10y ago
And the exact same thing could be said of users on TRP, what's your point?
The subs exist to help men and women that aren't naturals when it comes to acquiring their goals. There are naturals on both subs, but they're in the minority.
Aerobus 10y ago
My point is exactly what I stated. Sure, you may be able to make a similar argument about users on TRP, but that is not what the question asked, and hence, why I did not.
I made no comment on naturals, and I don't care about naturally masculine men or naturally feminine women. They are irrelevant to the point I made.
[deleted] 10y ago
Your statement is deliberately narrow and paints an unbalanced picture. On RPW we don't allow RPW users to disparage TRP or RP male users or insult any RP sub. Whenever a user tries to say that RPW users are somehow better than the average RP user - we immediately respond that both subs are about learning, and remind them to watch what they say as well as how they say it.
It's perfectly true to say that many RPW users are struggling, and not the ideal - but so are the vast majority of RP users. Part of giving a good response includes providing information that other person either may not be aware of, or is ignoring.
Aerobus 10y ago
How?
How interesting. I did not know this was a rule. Perhaps it is not being enforced.
Once again, I don't care about RP men; the question did not ask about them.
What other information should I have included that, in your view, would improve my response?
[deleted] 10y ago
That's why I included the statements about both RPW and TRP having users that fall short, and also having a smaller presence of naturals. That's the 'whole' picture. By simply saying/implying one sub has users that fall short, or aren't the ideal - there's an implication that it may or may not apply to the other. It's easier to point out the overall status across both subs. They exist for a reason and that reason is or those reasons are...
Care to explain? The rule (do not badmouth TRP or any RP sub) is listed directly on the sidebar and in other required reading posts.
I already stated what information should have been added - simply the clarification that users from both RPW and TRP fall short of the ideal, and struggle with things.
Aerobus 10y ago
I have no interest in painting the whole picture. Someone asked, I answered. That is all I thought of it when I answered. I have no ulterior motive. I think you are getting worked up when you shouldn't be. I mean that with utmost respect.
[deleted] 10y ago
Not worked up or upset, I just like providing users (particularly the new, and less-informed with a comprehensive lens. It's why I always tell RPW users that plate spinners, players, etc are not evil or bad. They're doing what they want to do. A man is not a jerk for sleeping with a woman and then not committing to her. I tell women it's their responsibility to understand and vet for a man that shares goals that are compatible with her own. Similarly, I tell men on RPW that while their advice may be 'rp' it's not RPW relevant or useful. That telling a woman to sleep around is counter-productive to her goals.
I also take issue with LTR and marriage minded men being consistently told to 'next' and 'divorce' women even though they clearly want those things.
This is simply an extension of all that - painting a coherent picture that admits the strengths and weaknesses of every side. That's really my only purpose.
It annoys me when women try to claim some kind of superiority in comparison to TRP (even though they're on RPW because they have been failing and need help), just as it annoys me when TRP users try to do the same.
Everyone is here to improve, and an important part of that is understanding that neither side is 'better' or 'worse.'
No worries, as I said - I'm not mad. Clarity and helping users understand the bigger picture is important in my opinion.
oldredder 10y ago
never